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MrDale Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:45 PM
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msnbc is to report in the next hour...
MSNBC just said they have info on Clinton and illegal wire taps coming up this hour.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:46 PM
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1. Please don't tell me they are running with the repug talking points?
It's been debunked already.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:48 PM
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5. Of Course.....
After all, General Electric is who owns MSNBC. Just cause the allow Olberman to make money for them, in the end GE gets to decide which direction the news is going to go in!
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 04:24 PM
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24. I agree FrenchieCat, we have to go up the food chain.
NBC is just a puppet organization or mouthpiece for G.E.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 09:17 AM
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39. Uh, someone should
tell the good folks at GE, er MSRNC, that Clinton is no longer president. They seem to have forgotten.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 04:08 PM
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19. pity it's already been debunked
it would have been fun to suggest that we should make Clinton president again long enough to impeach him. ;-)

And then Bush gets his turn. :evilgrin:
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 10:16 PM
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35. Biden debunked this on CCN this afternoon...
said the "source" was unreliable and that no one has done an endrun around oversight on this kind of thing since Nixon.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:46 PM
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2. Possibly passing on Matt Drudges lies...
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:47 PM
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3. EVEN IF Clinton did it, that does not make it right
and is no defense in an impeachment trial.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:48 PM
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4. But, but, but it would excuse W
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WestHoustonDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:49 PM
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7. No, it wouldn't. Illegal is illegal
Spying on Americans without warrants = impeachment, regardless of whether there's an R or a D after the president's name.
'
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 04:54 PM
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28. Illegal or not W has, for five years, been excused from all accountability
Edited on Wed Dec-21-05 04:56 PM by indepat
and is protected by this Congress which would never, under and circumstances, vote to impeach, much less convict; the MSM who doesn't expose him (NYT holding the spying story until more than a year after the 2004 national election); and tens of millions of Americans who would, if this were just before the 2004 election, still chant in idolatrous throngs, four more years, four more years. For good measure the Supremes installed him and no serious official inquiry has ever been made into serious allegations of voter fraud to the best of my knowledge. We have met the enemy and it is us (pogo). ;)
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MrDale Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:49 PM
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6. im thinking it is going to be based on the drudge report
which has already been shot down as not being completely true.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:53 PM
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8. Clinton went thru a red light ...
and Bush went through a red light, at 60 MPH, drunk and hitting a school bus full of kids.

But they both drove through a red light. What's the difference?
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:55 PM
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12. good analogy.
:hi:
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:58 PM
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14. Thanks bud! That's my talking point.
You have a good holiday mate! :hug:
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:58 PM
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16. back at ya!
long time no see! :loveya:
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 04:21 PM
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21. But Clinton passed thru it with a police escort.
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:54 PM
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9. Clinton got a
blow job, so if numbnuts gets one it's OK too.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 04:55 PM
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29. Exactly. bush, go get yourself a BLOWJOB on the WH lawn
Tommy did it, tooo! The Democrats did it, tooo! Billy got one!

They always do this shit and it's BULL. Try it with the local cops or DA and see how far it gets you. It gets the Repo party pretty far in the corporate media.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 10:08 PM
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34. Like others have said: "Will SOMEBODY please give this idiot a BJ so we
impeach him already?!!!"
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:55 PM
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10. This crap is why
I don't watch that crap.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:55 PM
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11. they left no stone unturned in their witch hunts of Clinton
now they are using what Clinton supposedly did to justify their own smarmy actions - PLEASE
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:55 PM
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13. So if I cheat on my wife, its OK because Clinton did it too?
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 10:27 PM
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37. Apparently to most of the MSM who are joined at the hip with Bush...yes
pathetic isn't it?
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:58 PM
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15. For the love of God, Clinton is no longer president. The Smirking Chimp
is the president, and he broke the law.

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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:59 PM
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17. Clinton used it in a specific spy case, Aldridge Ames
He was a government agent who was selling government secrets to foreign hostiles.

Hardly the same as using a blanket policy for 4 years surveilling over 10,000 people.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 04:18 PM
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20. AND IT WAS A PHYSICAL SEARCH - NOT A TAP - NOT COVERED BY FISA
I wonder if MSNBC will remember the facts - or just whore itself out to the GOP via Tweety or Tim?

:toast:

:-)
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 04:30 PM
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25. Good call. MSNBC just repeats whatever they're told.
They report news like a ping pong match. They happily repeat any talking points the WH issues.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 04:48 PM
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27. CNN also just says whatever they want
CNN just had a phone call from Vic-whore-a Toensing saying the same thing about Clinton, Jamie Gorelick and Aldridge Ames supposed illegal search. Jeff Tobin said that he didn't know if they got a FISA court approval within the 72 hours but that the case was never brought to court because Ames pleaded guilty. Tobin implied that either way it does not matter because the case was never challenged in court.
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 10:26 PM
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36. It was also Toensing who said that Joe Wilson outed his own wife.
She's a dipshit.
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PatrioticOhioLiberal Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 04:07 PM
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18. D-BUNKING the "warantless spying apologists
D-BUNKING the "warantless spying apologists" - more excellent info from today's American Progress newsletter

NATIONAL SECURITY
Warrantless Spying Apologetics Continue

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/3197

Sorry I don't have a link to the original as it looks like it's from the American Progress newsletter, but there are debunking links all through this piece.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 04:21 PM
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22. Welcome to DU, MrDale!
:hi:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 04:21 PM
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23. So Clinton breaking the law suddenly comes to light now?
Right. Gotcha.

So we can expect a grand jury to be empaneled, say, tomorrow afternoon?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 04:45 PM
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26. Clinton did not break the law - indeed his non-criminal contempt fine was
all they got him on (and he could have beat that in many ways - mostly better prior action but still could beat it in 2001, IMHO) He chose in 2001 to end the GOP game.

At the time of Ames - 93 - physical searches were not a violation of FISA.

In 94 Clinton had the law changed so that physical searches now go through the FISA procedure.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 04:58 PM
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30. these are details the Corporate Media will blow right over
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:42 PM
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33. I know that
Do you think a little criminal infraction like that would have escaped detection by the Eagle-eyed Ken Starr?

I fear this is just another one of those "but you guys did it too" justifications (number 257, and counting).
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MrDale Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 04:59 PM
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31. im guessing
that this msnbc report, that they felt they needed to send me a damn email about making believe it was big breaking news is nothing more than Abrahms show in which he had James Bamford on-author of Body of Secrets and an intel insider for a long time. He said this is the first time this has happened since the Nixon admin. Clinton's were not illegal and had warrants.
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 06:45 PM
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32. contact them at:
viewerservices@msnbc.com <viewerservices@msnbc.com>
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 11:07 PM
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38. What's their point
Two wrongs do make a right? All the other presidents are doing it? If Clinton jumped off a bridge, would Bush have to do it too?...Hmmm, I wonder how much Bill is willing to sacrifice for his country.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 09:26 AM
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40. So I guess it's morally good to do whatever Clinton did?
NGU.
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