Drudge is Blaming Clinton for Wiretaps

leftyladyfrommo

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Thu Dec-22-05 11:18 AM
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Drudge is Blaming Clinton for Wiretaps

Should have known it would be his fault. I didn't even read the article. It is just so much smut.

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babylonsister

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Thu Dec-22-05 11:22 AM
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1. Clinton's supposed wiretapping has been debunked, Drudge is

lazy and needs to do some research, and welcome to DU, leftyladyfrommo! :hi:

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leftyladyfrommo

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Thu Dec-22-05 11:23 AM
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2. Thanks

And I am still a Clinton fan. Big time. Especially now. He is doing great stuff all over the world.

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still_one

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Thu Dec-22-05 11:27 AM
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6. druge is NOT lazy druge is on the repuke agenda

the problem is why doesn't Clinton come out and debunk it

I am sorry, but this is the same crap that the swift pukes did to kerry, and frankly if we still haven't learned our lesson how to deal with it, then we deserve everything that we get

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MadisonProgressive

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Thu Dec-22-05 11:24 AM
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3. Welcome to the Viper Pit!

:pals:

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still_one

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Thu Dec-22-05 11:25 AM
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4. two major points

1. what does it matter what Clinton did the question is what bush did?

2. If what there saying about Clinton is NOT true, then Clinton should come out and say so. If it is true, then damn Clinton also

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iamjoy

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Thu Dec-22-05 11:25 AM
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So, The Ones Who Say It's OK

I mean, the ones who saw nothing wrong with what Dubya is doing, they must think Clinton is just awesome, right?

Give me a break Drudge! Next you are going to be blaming Clinton for last year's tsunami.

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NYCGirl

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Thu Dec-22-05 11:25 AM
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5. Everybody knows that Clinton FORCED Bush to illegally wiretap.

In fact, it was the Clenis' fault!

:sarcasm: (Did I even need to add that?)

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Webster Green

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Thu Dec-22-05 11:28 AM
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7. The RW have no defense for the chimp's spying....

That's why they are blowing stuff out of their asses.

It's a good thing.

The big RW talking point is that the chimp needed to act quickly, but everyone now knows that they have a 72 hour window to get the warrant retro-actively. (up to 15 days in time of war .....as Sen. Bob Graham pointed out yesterday.)

They are backed into a corner.

It doesn't matter what Clinton or anyone else did. Bring charges if you got 'em assholes!

:rofl:

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pnorman

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Thu Dec-22-05 11:29 AM
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8. I got this off DU last night:

Fact Check: Clinton/Carter Executive Orders Did Not Authorize Warrantless Searches of Americans

The top of the Drudge Report claims “CLINTON EXECUTIVE ORDER: SECRET SEARCH ON AMERICANS WITHOUT COURT ORDER…” It’s not true. Here’s the breakdown –

What Drudge says:

Clinton, February 9, 1995: “The Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a court order”

What Clinton actually signed:

Section 1. Pursuant to section 302(a)(1) <50 U.S.C. 1822(a)> of the Act, the Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a court order, to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year, if the Attorney General makes the certifications required by that section.

That section requires the Attorney General to certify is the search will not involve “the premises, information, material, or property of a United States person.” That means U.S. citizens or anyone inside of the United States.

The entire controversy about Bush’s program is that, for the first time ever, allows warrantless surveillance of U.S. citizens and other people inside of the United States. Clinton’s 1995 executive order did not authorize that.

Drudge pulls the same trick with Carter.

What Drudge says:

Jimmy Carter Signed Executive Order on May 23, 1979: “Attorney General is authorized to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign intelligence information without a court order.”

What Carter’s executive order actually says:

1-101. Pursuant to Section 102(a)(1) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1802(a)), the Attorney General is authorized to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign intelligence information without a court order, but only if the Attorney General makes the certifications required by that Section.

What the Attorney General has to certify under that section is that the surveillance will not contain “the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party.” So again, no U.S. persons are involved.

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/20/drudge-fact-check/

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leftyladyfrommo

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Fri Dec-23-05 10:54 AM
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12. Thank you

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npincus

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Thu Dec-22-05 11:30 AM
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9. dbunked by Andrea Mitchell on Hardball yesterday

Edited on Thu Dec-22-05 11:30 AM by npincus

http://www.canofun.com/blog/default.asp

so many f*cking liars, so little time.

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patdem

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Thu Dec-22-05 12:00 PM
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10. WOW...found a VERY damning article I had forgotten about here is the

link to the entire article: http://www.fedcrimlaw.com/visitors/punchltd/2002/08-05-02.html

Here is the info I recall reading about at the time but completely forgot about it:
After the Court's ruling was made public, Mr. Ashcroft decided to appeal it to another secret court - the United States Foreign Intelligence Court of Review - a court that was established under FISA but has never before met to issue a single ruling. The Court of Review consists of three semi-retired judges from the United States Courts of Appeal, who are appointed on a rotating basis by the Chief Justice. The three judges presently sitting on that court are Judge Ralph Guy of the Sixth Circuit; Judge Edward Leavy of the Ninth Circuit; and Judge Laurence Silberman of the D.C. Circuit. A copy of the Government's Appeal is available on the Member's section of our Web site.

Lawrence Goldman, Esq., President of the NACDL, issued a press release shortly after the Court's decision in this case was made public last week. Among other things, he stated:

"It is no surprise to criminal defense lawyers that warrant applications by law enforcement authorities often contain misleading and even false statements. It is particularly disturbing, and surprising, that even the director of the FBI presented false information to the FISA court.

"If the federal authorities have confessed to 75 instances of misleading this one court of limited jurisdiction, the number of times they have misled other courts must be well into the thousands.

"With this track record, it takes gumption for federal authorities to ask the courts and the American people to take their word for it when they claim that they have good reason to lock someone up and deprive him of counsel or access to the courts."

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Uncle Joe

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Thu Dec-22-05 12:37 PM
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11. They don't call him Sludge for nothing.

Welcome to D.U. :hi:

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johnaries

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Fri Dec-23-05 11:02 AM
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13. Obviously, Dredge is using O'Reilly's fact-checking team. n/t.

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