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JABBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:05 AM
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Some Conservatives Mentioning Dreaded "Impeachment"
It's one thing when a liberal politician or publication mentions the word "impeachment" in reaction to President Bush allowing and then defending warrantless surveillance, in violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

But some very un-liberal sources are also mentioning the dreaded "I" word.

Consider that un-liberal publication, Barron's. On its website, Barron's Online, this was posted on Dec. 24 by the editors: "Willful disregard of a law is potentially an impeachable offense. It is at least as impeachable as having a sexual escapade under the Oval Office desk and lying about it later. The members of the House Judiciary Committee who staged the impeachment of President Clinton ought to be as outraged at this situation. They ought to investigate it, consider it carefully and report either a bill that would change the wiretap laws to suit the president or a bill of impeachment."

And on the Dec. 20 edition of NPR's <em>Diane Rehm Show</em>, former Bruce Fein, deputy attorney general in the Reagan Administration, said:

FEIN: On its face, if President Bush is totally unapologetic and says I continue to maintain that as a war-time President I can do anything I want – I don’t need to consult any other branches – that is an impeachable offense. It’s more dangerous than Clinton’s lying under oath because it jeopardizes our democratic dispensation and civil liberties for the ages. It would set a precedent that … would lie around like a loaded gun, able to be used indefinitely for any future occupant.

On the same show, conservative pundit Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute added:

ORNSTEIN: I think if we’re going to be intellectually honest here, this really is the kind of thing that Alexander Hamilton was referring to when impeachment was discussed.

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Also noteworthy were Dec. 16 comments from from Republican Congressman Bob Barr (R-GA), who spoke on the Dec. 16 edition of CNN's The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer. (You can watch the video here.)

Although Barr doesn't mention "impeachment," his tone is nonetheless very clear as he debates Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA):

BARR: Here again, this is absolutely a bizarre conversation where you have a member of Congress saying that it's okay for the president of the United States to ignore U.S. law, to ignore the Constitution, simply because we are in an undeclared war. The fact of the matter is the law prohibits -- specifically prohibits -- what apparently was done in this case, and for a member of Congress to say, oh, that doesn't matter, I'm proud that the president violated the law is absolutely astounding, Wolf.

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This item first appeared at Journalists Against Bush's B.S.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:52 AM
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1. wow - that quote by the AEI guy is somethin' else!
Thanks for the post - I'd read about the Barron's article, but didn't know about the other comments.
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:52 AM
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2. former Sen Bob Graham talked about impeachment
years ago on a Sun morning talk show, saying if * cooked the intel for Iraq, this was clearly an impeachable offense.
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Saint Stephen Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:55 AM
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3. Please tell me this is true
BARR: Here again, this is absolutely a bizarre conversation where you have a member of Congress saying that it's okay for the president of the United States to ignore U.S. law, to ignore the Constitution, simply because we are in an undeclared war. The fact of the matter is the law prohibits -- specifically prohibits -- what apparently was done in this case, and for a member of Congress to say, oh, that doesn't matter, I'm proud that the president violated the law is absolutely astounding, Wolf.


I love watching the repugs self destruct. LOL!!
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JABBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 01:02 AM
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4. you can watch the video
On Crooks & Liars. Check the appropriate link.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 01:14 AM
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5. Wolf removes right foot, replaces with left foot
and seems to suffer from severe case of foot-in-mouth disease. Time for more Rs to be hopping around on one leg, while they try to extract the other from their mouth. (vastly amusing thought -late on Christmas Day while listening to the Bach Christmas Oratorio)
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 02:45 AM
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6. Spineless?
From OP emphasis: "and report either a bill that would change the wiretap laws to suit the president or a bill of impeachment."

If they change the law to suit the president, making the surveillance legal (perhaps even retroactively), even if there are no later constitutional issues, it still makes the statement that not following the law is okay.

I suspect this would be epitomized by the phrase, spineless congresspeople.

Still, its good the media is at least word-buzzing impeachement.
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