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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 11:55 AM
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What have the Republicans ever been right about?
As I look back upon everything said by Republicans and the laws they have passed I can find none that have turned out to be the correct positions. When every single Republican stood up and said the Clinton budget of 1993 would totally destroy the American economy and yet after Clinton's budget was passed America went on to experience the greatest economic expansion in America's history. Republicans took control in 2001 and said look how it is done and America experienced the greatest economic turn around in it's history. They said only we can protect America and yet the greatest terroist attack came on their watch, while they worked on building super duper missle defense we were attacked with box cutters, especially after Clinton and Gore told them exactly that would happen...Why is it that so many Americans believe them when they say things that always turn out to be false? How exactly did they develop such a cult following?
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:00 PM
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1. Lincoln freed the slaves, Teddy Roosevelt established nat'l parks.
Oh, you mean what have they been done right in the last 100 years or so? Umm... let me get back to you on that one...
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:02 PM
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2. By convincing them of two things.
1. that the rich worked really hard for their money (leaving out the fact that the majority were born rich and profited off their fore fathers hard work).
2. that through hard work they too will be one of the rich and famous.
They never explained how those born poor are supposed to actualy do this, they keep saying if theres a will theres a way. Most who do find that way seldom do it legally, but after all Reagan told them it doesn't matter how they got the money, its about having the money and not getting caught that matters.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:26 PM
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7. Edit:
1. that the rich worked really hard for their money (leaving out the fact that the majority were born rich and profited off their fore fathers PIRACY AND SLAVE-DRIVING.)
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:03 PM
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3. How did they develop a cult following?
I think a lot of it was by creating booger men to scare the shit out of stupido-Americans. Clinton was going to raise taxes and give your money to black welfare moms, Hillary was going to make you dependent on the guvmint for health care, "liberals" wanna take yer guns, close your church and turn your kids into queers, towel heads are all trying to kill you all the time.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:03 PM
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4. interstate highways were an eisenhower thing, i think?
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:11 PM
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5. The idea came out of the Roosevelt administration, though
Republicans wanted the highways dealt with/ built by private industry. Roosevelt saw the federal building of roads as part of his new deal...most of the groundwork for interstate highways was laid during Roosevelt and built during Eisenhower
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:25 PM
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6. Yes, and FUCK them.
Worst thing that ever happened to this country.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 04:13 PM
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14. Did you buy your computer at a store? Wouldna happened without
highways. Cars create pollution, and yes, that sucks but the interstate highway sytem was a work of brilliance and a herculean task that kept millions of poor people fed and employed.

"If you bought it, a truck brought it." - An old trucker slogan.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 04:18 PM
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15. The interstate highway system was intended to be just that, interstate
It was never intended to cut through cities or to be the thoroughfare of choice for travel within cities or from suburb to suburb.

Now urban residents deal with the air pollution, noise, and ugliness of the interstates cutting through their neighborhoods for the convenience of suburban commuters.

By the way, goods got transported just fine before there were interstates. You're right about there being no big box stores, but somehow, we didn't miss them before we had them.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 05:23 PM
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17. And it could've been brought
Edited on Mon Dec-26-05 05:26 PM by Jed Dilligan
on a train. Or a canal boat. For less cost. So what's your point?

on edit: A Republican in a bar once told me I had to support the oil war in Iraq because I was enjoying a cold beer. Do you agree with him?
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 06:05 PM
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19. Were you drinking a Bud?
Before there were thousands of local breweries.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 06:07 PM
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20. No, actually
It was a beer that was brewed in the bar where I was drinking. I think he was referring to the refrigeration, of all things.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 12:58 AM
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22. Nice assumption. You know what they say about people who assume, though.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 08:17 PM
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31. No - good analogy.
Big difference.

The interstate highway system has as many minuses as plusses.

One can't ignore the bad it has wrought.

At best it is a mixed result.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:28 PM
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8. They were right in their analysis of the American People ...
... that they can be corraled & lead by fear tactics and mass groupaganda.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 10:40 PM
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35. Ouch. n/t
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 01:02 PM
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9. I felt they were right about balancing the budget.
I have long been an advocate of a balanced budget. Only for short term periods of recession should we deficit spend. That is the one policy Pubs promoted 10-20 years ago with which I agreed.

Clinton made the balanced budget a reality, and the prosperity of the country soared. Bush ended that, and since then, the PUBS have run from balancing the budget.
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Hyernel Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 01:05 PM
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10. Affirmative action quotas
America should be a meritocracy.
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 04:10 PM
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13. when we have a level playing field
then maybe we can talk about meritocracy. Exactly how far we are from any sort of meritocracy is blatantly illustrated by that life-long failure, GWB, ending up in the WH.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 01:14 PM
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11. That the Soviet Union and Communist China
had strong totalitarian aspects to their governing ideologies. Where Republicans went with the implications of that often jumped the tracks, but they were right about it. Most, though not all, Democrats fully agreed, though Democrats did not always give that position as much emphasis as Republicans did. It was never fully partisan, but Republicans were non wavering on it.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 10:43 PM
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36. There's a good case to be made that republicans spent the USSR...
... into bankruptcy.

Is it a good thing? I don't know, but destroying the USSR was their intent.

Did we become better off when Kazakhistan became the worlds 3rd largest nuclear superpower?
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manic expression Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 11:17 PM
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37. From what I heard
the USSR spent the same % of their GDP in the 70's as they did in the 80's. Star Wars wasted our money, not theirs.

Furthermore, the life expectancy in the former Soviet states has steadily dropped since the collapse of the USSR. The unrestricted and rampant capitalism has made a mess in much of the region.
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manic expression Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 11:23 PM
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38. That was a case of the melting pot calling the kettle black
Edited on Wed Dec-28-05 11:23 PM by manic expression
Republicans supported terrible, TERRIBLE governments and movements in MANY countries, and that's an understatement. We have A TON of authoritarianism on our hands during the Cold War.

One funny thing I recall is that Reagan denounced China for shooting down a Korean airliner full of civilians...but when the US did the same thing to an Iranian airliner full of civilians, what did Bush I say? "I don't apologize for the actions of the US military. I don't care what the facts are."

....:puke:....

Sure, they were called something authoritarian, but they acted in the exact same way (arguably worse).

(Subject line quoted from Sage Francis)
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 01:51 PM
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12. The "Do Not Call" list is all I can think of. n/t
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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 04:33 PM
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16. Nixon created the EPA and began diplomatic ties with China IIRC
to quote Michael Moore "Doesn't it piss you off that the last liberal in the Whitehouse was Nixon"
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 07:42 PM
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21. Yes I like that quote and I think it is pretty damn true
Clinton was a lot of things but Liberal was not one of them... He was more Liberal than who he ran against both times though...:shrug: Nixon did a lot of funny things for a Republican.. Clean Air and Affirmative Action...
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 05:57 PM
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18. Saddam was bad
Edited on Mon Dec-26-05 05:58 PM by Humor_In_Cuneiform
Of course there wasn't anyone half-way sane even on the planet who disagreed with that.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 02:52 AM
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25. Lots of world leaders are bad. Repubs helped put and keep Saddam in power.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 05:53 PM
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29. I was only answering the question, what have the Repugs been
right about.

No other meaning was implied.

;)
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:26 AM
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32. I know. I was just expanding on it.
Didn't mean to imply that other meaning was implied.
:7
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 02:56 AM
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26. Sure, but he was suckered into invading Kuwait.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 05:54 PM
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30. Yes? And so does that make my answer incorrect.
Again no further meaning implied, only that he was bad and Repugs like everyone believed that.
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 02:01 AM
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33. Certainly he's bad, but that was the least of their reasons to invade.
Edited on Wed Dec-28-05 02:36 AM by BikeWriter
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 09:43 PM
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34. Yes? Did you feel I was stating otherwise? I wasn't, no implied meaning,
no mention of invasion.
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 01:04 AM
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23. "Let us impeach George Bush, and let it begin with me" (David Swanson)
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/5999

Let us impeach George Bush, and let it begin with me

Let us impeach George Bush, and let it begin with me,
Let us impeach George Bush, and don't forget Dick Cheney.
With George Bush in prison, safer we will be,
Let's lock up big brother, and have some privacy.

Let us impeach George Bush, let this be the moment now,
With every step I take, let this be my solemn vow,
To stop the war and impeach its authors and make democracy.
Let us impeach George Bush, and let it begin with me!

(go to link to sign the petition!)
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 01:55 AM
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24. remember when the GOP was the minority party?
and they were big promoters of such things like cutting pork and other waste, balancing the budget, and term limits for congresscritters? funny how all that changed once they became the majority
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 03:27 AM
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27. Exactly, and they are no longer Conservative.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 03:42 AM
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28. themselves

They have a low opinion of other human beings...which derives from accurate observation of each other.

They tell people their prejudices and unsustainable beliefs are truth. Stupid people fall for that, by definition.

The cultish following...that's the Americans who feel or know themselves made obsolete, socially or economically, in the global economy and/or Modern society due to lack of relevant education or maladaptive views/bad ideology (i.e. medieval Christianity).

The Republican leadership is both superior to that and at the same time also part/victim of that maladaptiveness ('conservative'). It makes for grandiosity, delusion, and terrible mental anguish and a sense of mental inferiority all at the same time.

You have an interesting theory that Republicans pass laws because they are concerned about the future. It's more that the here and now pains them in its possibilities and realities- they always grasp at what feels most psychotherapeutic here and now. That's why they attract all the nutcases. Reality is too hard to really deal with, they hate the future and never actually understand the Past (bizarrely enough). They relive the Past a second time, refighting old fights and settling old scores, when they're in power. It's what they do. Dealing with the future is only done in the direst of emergencies.

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