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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 06:09 PM
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George's first duty is to protect...the Constitution...
and not just when it is convenient. Howard Fineman makes the point.

This article was posted in editorials by UpinArms and makes a most excellent point. It is one we should all keep in mind with all the talk of George keeping us "safe" versus obeying the law. Ethically speaking, how one does something directly impacts the quality of one's goal. In other words, any measures of "security" provided by lying, stealing, and cheating are damaged, soiled goods.

George swore to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution. The upholding of the Constitution trumps the anemic attempts of enhancing national security by this administration.

The motto "Live Free or Die" and the Zapatista saying that it is better to die on your feet than live on your knees both reflect that point.

There is our answer to the wail from the Bushies that he is just providing for our security. We don't need George's nanny government to take away our freedoms and civil rights to "protect" us from a bogyman of his own devising.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10561966
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"We are entering a dark time in which the central argument advanced by each party is going to involve accusing the other party of committing what amounts to treason. Democrats will accuse the Bush administration of destroying the Constitution; Republicans will accuse the Dems of destroying our security.

Some thoughts on where all of this is headed:

The president says that his highest duty is to protect the American people and our homeland. And it is true that, as commander-in-chief, he has sweeping powers to, as his oath says, “faithfully execute the office” of president. But the entity he swore to “preserve, protect and defend” isn’t the homeland per se — but the Constitution itself."


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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 06:13 PM
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1. Or put another way:
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 06:22 PM
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2. Protecting the American people is no excuse for destroying the Constitution
Good article, brainshrub. I don't think we can overstate this. The principles in the Constitution must be protected or we lose it all.

"This, at first, may seem odd but the Founding Fathers understood well that tyrants often justified their actions on the basis that they were acting in the best interest of protecting the people.

They did not fight a revolution to remove themselves from the clutches of one king only to appoint a different king to take his place. They wanted a democratic government. They wanted an open government where effective checks and balances protected both the rights of the majority and the rights of the individual against those would be tyrants.

Protecting the American people is no excuse for destroying the American Constitution."

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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 06:31 PM
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3. george knew,
that he was lying when he called himself the President of the U.S.A.

He knew that he was lying when he talked about yellow cake and WMDs.

He knew that he was lying when he and his administration made a link between BinLaden and Hussein.

George also knew that he was lying when he, "... swore to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution." of the U.S.A

George is a lying cheat!
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 06:31 PM
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4. It's time Howard Fineman realizes the point I've been making on DU
for several years: duty is to the Constitution W destroys with reckless and seeming uncaring, unconcerned abandon if not vengeance and he gets a D- in keeping us safe IMHO. ;)
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 06:35 PM
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5. I have been posting this for days now.
Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.

Failure to protect the Fourth Amendment is a HIGH CRIME in that he violated his oath of office.

I even called Thom Hartmann and Bernie Sanders last Friday and was told that we did not want to pursue this now because Cheney is VP.

HELL YEA, I want to pursue it now.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 06:49 PM
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7. You posted that on my disappeared thread in Editorials.
Let's keep making the point. It is so crystal clear. It will roll off George's back, but more and more of the American people will understand how treasonous this administration's actions are.

And I agree, I don't care who is VP, that is just short sighted thinking. If George is impeached, Cheney goes with him along with all their cronies. The Republican Party will be manning the lifeboats and there will be no room for George&Co.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 09:07 PM
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9. I grew up understanding that Democracy was fragile. That we were
always under attack somewhere. That we could not surrender to fear. I have walked through anti-American demonstrations (much to my Father's displeasure and finger waving at how STUPID I was.) I have stood with my German brother and sisters screaming 'Wo ist Dubcek?" Freedom is not free; Freedom is not safe. All we have is our Constitution, and it is not to a flag, not to a man, not to a party that we owe our allegiance. It is to our Constitution.

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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 03:45 PM
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12. A Federalist society guy thinks Bush "overreached" with the NSA.
http://www.fed-soc.org/

Kpete posted this in GD. Click on surveillance.
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 06:49 PM
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6. You could almost make a drinking game...
out of, "What parts of the Constitution did he ignore today?"
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 07:20 PM
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8. Oh, my, now that could be quite the party.
The Constitution Party :toast:

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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 09:12 PM
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10. You are kidding of course, you know who already has that name
Edited on Mon Dec-26-05 09:13 PM by IChing
The Constitution Party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_Party

i think drinking games aren't in their by laws
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 03:37 PM
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11. Oops! There seems to be a lot of them, though. That's the scary part.
:crazy:

"The Constitution Party ranks third nationally in registered voters, most of which come from two states: California, in which the affiliate is the American Independent Party, founded in 1967, and Nevada, in which the affiliate is named the Independent American Party. According to Richard Winger, the editor of Ballot Access News, and other observers, the word "Independent" in the party name may have attracted the registrations of voters intending to declare themselves unaffiliated with any party.
...
The Constitution Party holds that Republican and Democratic parties have becoming corrupt and are subversive in nature. They emphasize how our country was not founded upon religion, but upon biblical principles. It advocates a stronger adherence to the original intent of the United States Constitution and the principles of the U.S. Declaration of Independence. It has a strictly conservative approach on moral issues and seeks to encourage the role of religion in American life.

Members support reducing the role of the United States federal government through: cutting bureaucratic regulation, spending, and calls for the abolishment of the IRS to be replaced with a fair tax system. Its leaders are among the strongest advocates of abolishing most forms of federal taxation, especially the income tax. They view most current regular federal expenditures (such as those for healthcare, education, welfare, etc.) as unconstitutional per the Tenth Amendment."

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