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nradisic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 03:23 PM
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My case against Impeachment....for now...
Very simple. I doubt the Republicans have enough cojones to try and throw the Shrub and Cheney overboard. The excuses, muddslinging, lying, contorting,corruption and disaster will continue to go on and fester. That will give us back the House and maybe even the Senate next November in a landslide due to the utter corruption within the GOP. Then we Impeach the whole lot of them and prosecute them.If the Republicans decided to get rid of Bush it will be through forced "resignation" like Nixon and then him and Lucifer will be pardoned by Hastert. I don't see that scenario. The GOp is going to sink with the Shrub around its ankle. Remember this is the "Stay the Course" crowd...they are going down with the ship. It will be ugly for the GOP for many years to come.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 03:25 PM
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1. I think the longer Bush & Cheney hang around - the more activist
and solidly anti-neocon the world and the USA will become.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 03:28 PM
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2. Oh sure, if we still have a country and a constitution when they are
finally gone.
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nradisic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 03:36 PM
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4. Maybe not...
Edited on Wed Dec-28-05 03:36 PM by nradisic
What many fail to realize is that even though the Democratic and Republican parties seem like monoliths, they are really a "coalition" government.What does that mean? In most parliamentary democracies, one party will win the elction without a 50%+ majority and will then look to make a coalition majority goverment to be able to rule. By the same token, take the Republican party...you've got the right wing religious nut-jobs, the neo-cons, the libertarians and some old guard true concervatives. Even thought the GOP has been able to coalesce and keep the majority drinking kool-aid, that is over. The fat lady has sung. The coalition is disintegrating with most lebertarians and some real conservatives deserting the ship. At the same time the true Independents have swung like a pendulum back to the Democratic side. The shift will be way too drastic for the GOP to even think of stealing another election, lest they want a true Civil War.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 03:32 PM
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3. I just think we've got to stop looking for saviors and miracles...
I realize that DU is not indicative of "the real world" so to speak. But still as is evidenced on here people want this one stop shopping savior or miracle to rescue dems and liberals from this mired swamp of what the republican party has done to us. Witness it with whoever the hero of the month is on here and how every other post is about that one person. Whether it's Olberman in the media, Cindy Sheehan, John Conyers, Murtha, Richard Clark, Fitzgerald, whoever, there is this relentless obsession on that one person being focused on and people on here putting all our eggs in that basket. Same thing with events or happenings, be it the TANG memos, Downing Street, Katrina response, whatever.

People have this tendency to put all their energy behind and into individual people or events or happenings almost to the exclusion of all others. And impeachment seems to be the latest beneficiary of this approach. God knows I'd be all for it but fo so much time and energy to be focused on discussing or pursuing or writing our congresspeople or the media about this one subject, think how many are flying by us. It's how the right and republicans continue to get away with what they get away with. They know how to get the focus on these individual people, places, and things, we fall for it hook line and sinker, and while everyone is talking about this one thing they are sneaking by 10 others or planning their defense for the next thing that comes out.

Whenver I bring this up people try to claim how they can deal with multiple things at once but from the way things go on here it doesn't seem that way.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 03:47 PM
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5. To use your language, exposing this lack of "cojones"
is one of the primary political benefits of pushing for impeachment at this point.

First and foremost, House and Senate Democrats should promote impeachment on the grounds that Bush broke the law and it's our duty to uphold the constitution. It sends a bad message to future presidents if we let Bush's actions slide without putting up any sort of resistance. While such demands for an impeachment probably won't bring Bush down with a GOP Congress, they should still be made.

Secondary to this moral/constitutional argument is that is does help us politically. It forces the hand of Republicans on the issue of loyalty to Bush. By November, most Republicans would benefit by distancing themselves a bit from Bush and his failed policies. Raising the issue of impeachment ties Bush apologists closer to the president and his failures, and creates a rift in the GOP in as much as a few Republicans will support impeachment.

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