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SONUVABUSH Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 08:13 PM
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Bush passes Unconstitutional Law
http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance%2C+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3-6022491.html?part=rss&tag=6022491&subj=news

This sort of scares me. You realize how much republicans hate freedom of speech, this may be the first step to take that freedom away too.

"Annoying someone via the Internet is now a federal crime.
1. It's no joke. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on posting annoying Web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages without disclosing your true identity.
In other words, it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a blog as long as you do it under your real name. Thank Congress for small favors, I guess.
This ridiculous prohibition, which would likely imperil much of Usenet, is buried in the so-called Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act. Criminal penalties include stiff fines and two years in prison.

"The use of the word 'annoy' is particularly problematic," says Marv Johnson, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. "What's annoying to one person may not be annoying to someone else."

It's illegal to annoy
A new federal law states that when you annoy someone on the Internet, you must disclose your identity. Here's the relevant language.
"Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet... without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person...who receives the communications...shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."

Buried deep in the new law is Sec. 113, an innocuously titled bit called "Preventing Cyberstalking." It rewrites existing telephone harassment law to prohibit anyone from using the Internet "without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy."
To grease the rails for this idea, Sen. Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania Republican, and the section's other sponsors slipped it into an unrelated, must-pass bill to fund the Department of Justice. The plan: to make it politically infeasible for politicians to oppose the measure.

The tactic worked. The bill cleared the House of Representatives by voice vote, and the Senate unanimously approved it Dec. 16.
There's an interesting side note. An earlier version that the House approved in September had radically different wording. It was reasonable by comparison, and criminalized only using an "interactive computer service" to cause someone "substantial emotional harm."

That kind of prohibition might make sense. But why should merely annoying someone be illegal?
There are perfectly legitimate reasons to set up a Web site or write something incendiary without telling everyone exactly who you are.

Think about it: A woman fired by a manager who demanded sexual favors wants to blog about it without divulging her full name. An aspiring pundit hopes to set up the next Suck.com. A frustrated citizen wants to send e-mail describing corruption in local government without worrying about reprisals.

In each of those three cases, someone's probably going to be annoyed. That's enough to make the action a crime. (The Justice Department won't file charges in every case, of course, but trusting prosecutorial discretion is hardly reassuring.)
Clinton Fein, a San Francisco resident who runs the Annoy.com site, says a feature permitting visitors to send obnoxious and profane postcards through e-mail could be imperiled.

"Who decides what's annoying? That's the ultimate question," Fein said. He added: "If you send an annoying message via the United States Post Office, do you have to reveal your identity?"

Fein once sued to overturn part of the Communications Decency Act that outlawed transmitting indecent material "with intent to annoy." But the courts ruled the law applied only to obscene material, so Annoy.com didn't have to worry.
"I'm certainly not going to close the site down," Fein said on Friday. "I would fight it on First Amendment grounds."
He's right. Our esteemed politicians can't seem to grasp this simple point, but the First Amendment protects our right to write something that annoys someone else.

It even shields our right to do it anonymously. U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas defended this principle magnificently in a 1995 case involving an Ohio woman who was punished for distributing anonymous political pamphlets.
If President Bush truly believed in the principle of limited government (it is in his official bio), he'd realize that the law he signed cannot be squared with the Constitution he swore to uphold.
And then he'd repeat what President Clinton did a decade ago when he felt compelled to sign a massive telecommunications law. Clinton realized that the section of the law punishing abortion-related material on the Internet was unconstitutional, and he directed the Justice Department not to enforce it.
Bush has the chance to show his respect for what he calls Americans' personal freedoms. Now we'll see if the president rises to the occasion.

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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 08:16 PM
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1. More comments on this insane law at link inside this message.
At another thread on DU.

This is nuts!

PB
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 08:17 PM
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2. Blame Congress, they are the ones who passed this
The President merely signs or doesn't sign a bill in to law. And most of the Democrats voted for.

The intent is clearly a good one: extend federal anti-stalking laws to include things like slanderous posts on the Usenet, setting up harassing websites, etc. This would help protect, say, a battered wife who has fled her abusive husband in the same that that existing law prevented him from harassing her through the federal mail. I doubt very much that it will ever be successfully applied to someone bad-mouthing Carl Rove for political reasons. Then again, this is the Most Fascist American Government Ever(TM) we are talking about here.
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sproutster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 08:42 PM
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6. Ok guys... I've read two threads - one which we examine the bill
The wording is markedly different.

I went to look up the "law" which bush signed and it is not available yet. It's my understanding they weakened the wording, but I could be wrong.

It is correct that the bill has harsher language and I don't have much objection to it. (don't get me started on offender databases...)

Now if it does indeed include "annoy" and "annonymous" as written in several threads -- IT IS A HUGE DEAL.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 08:58 PM
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8. debunking some of the myths about this legislation
First, as has been pointed out, Bush doesn't pass bills. He signs them.

Second, the provision in question was a part of the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act (VAWA) that was introduced in the House and Senate in the early summer of 2005. In the Senate, the bill (with the cyberstalking language) had around 60 co-sponsors, including 40 Democrats. In the House, two versions of the bill were introduced (both with the cyberstalking language), one with 108 co-sponsors and one with 133 co-sponsors. A majority of the co-sponsors were Democrats and included, among others, John Conyers and Barney Frank.

Third, the ACLU sent a letter to the Hill strongly endorsing the VAWA bill, and didn't mention any concerns about the cyberstalking language.

Fourth, the Senate considered the VAWA legislation as a stand alone bill and passed it unanimously in early October. A week prior to that, the House, while debating the DOJ appropriations bill, had added the VAWA language as an amendment (The addition of the VAWA language was not hidden -- it was discussed on the floor). The House then passed the DOJ approps bill (with the VAWA lanaguage, inlcuding cyberstalking language) by 415-4 (two repubs and two Democrats voting against).

Fifth, the Senate took up the DOJ bill (with VAWA) in December and passed it unanimously. Because it differed in some respects (and I don't know what those differences were or if they had anything to do with VAWA), the bill had to go back to the House, which then agreed to the Senate version unanimously. At that point, it went to the President for signature.

Frankly, I've read the provision a half dozen times and still can't tell for sure whether, in the context of the existing provisions of law, it is as dangerous as some seem to think. The fact that the ACLU didn't say boo about it when they endorsed VAWA suggests that maybe its not a 'sky is falling' measure. That said, I hate it when Congress tries to tackle tech issues 'cause they always screw it up.

onenote
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 08:18 PM
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3. In all fairness... Bush signed the law. He did not pass it.
Congress deserves a kick in the shorts for this too.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 08:18 PM
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4. Good reference to Clinton and Thomas nt
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 08:34 PM
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5. Sad
Cant call bush a chimp no more x(

CHIMP CHIMP CHIMP
You no brainer bush
Destroyer of the greatest country in the world
You ugly despicable specimen of an ape ( ooops appologise to ape first )

LIAR LIAR LIAR

Ok sue me.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 08:44 PM
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7. Can anything be done to do away with this fascist law? nt
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