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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 06:15 PM
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Poll question: Which event signalled point of no return for the RW take-over of the US
At which point did they gain a death grip that will eventually lead to the fall of the republic? Which event sent us past the point where we as citizens could regain the country?
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 06:17 PM
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1. I don't accept your second sentence. nt.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 06:19 PM
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2. You're entitled
but with all that's gone on over the last 5 years with NO RETRIBUTION, IMO you're not confronting reality.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 06:23 PM
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3. when they were allowed to steal a second presidential elecion
that was it
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 06:46 PM
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4. I Nominate 9/11
without that, the terrified sheep would never have fallen in line.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 07:32 PM
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7. I go with this one too.
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guidod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 09:19 PM
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14. I do as well
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 11:47 PM
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21. Me too Hockey Mom.. Number ONE choice for sure...
They've been able to use "fear" since that day.

It's definitely my number one choice too.
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 06:56 PM
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5. I chose JFK . . . but . . .
. . . all of these event were critical. The cabal has been striving for this very point in history since the mid-fifties. Lord Pissypants' dad is the one common denominator in all of them, BTW.

God, this is gonna be quite a year.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 07:05 PM
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6. reagan is the high water mark.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 07:36 PM
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8. 1993 - when Clinton sided with Greenspan over Kerry and kept books closed
on BCCI.

Had those books been opened as Kerry was working for, the entire BFEE and their agenda would have been revealed and terror, as an issue, would have had the sunlight and attention to be averted WITHOUT WAR.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 07:51 PM
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9. 2000
They stole it then and it worked so well they did it again in 2004. It was the one thing they did that really worked for them imho.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 08:22 PM
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10. I'll duck for cover here....
...Bill Clinton sealed the deal with the Monica scandal. Don't get me wrong...I'd give anything to have him back now. But I think he was the reason so many so many swing voters went Republican in 2000. He helped the cause.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 10:08 PM
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15. Sorry, I must disagree
you're probably correct that it helped the cause, but it should have been clear in 1994 that the "swing voters" had all gone over.
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 09:03 PM
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11. The definite marker for me was the GA/MN/CO results in 02.
The machines had definitely begun to determine the results of elections and nobody with a public voice gave a damn.

After that it has been all a grassroots movement and that's all it's likely to be until it becomes so strong that it can't be ignored by anybody in either party.
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Higans Donating Member (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 09:19 PM
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13. Agred. The moment you realize the machines are RIGGED!
Is the moment that that story should hit the head lines and say there untill they are fixed.

http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 09:16 PM
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12. when clinton signed the telcomm bill
allowing clear channel and fox to take ove the news and causing all other outlets to become rw imitators

thanks, bill!
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Clarkansas Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 10:08 PM
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16. The only time we reach the point of no return is when we give up.
And I don't plan on doing that ever.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 10:11 PM
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17. We've been battling tirelessly for 5 years now
and have nothing but 2200 dead soldiers, 100,000 or more dead Iraqi civilians, another 3 years of the SMirking Lying Coward in the WH, and Scalito, wire-tapping, and possible super-majorities for the GOP to show for it.
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Clarkansas Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 10:16 PM
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18. You can go ahead and give up if you like.
I won't.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:30 AM
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26. I love your handle.
Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 03:31 AM by BlueIris
And yeah, seriously, if you're feeling this defeatist, TOJ, take a break.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 10:44 PM
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19. 9/11 was the event which like the burning of the Reichstag
marked the end of the Republic and the beginning of Bush's Reich.
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murdoch Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 11:43 PM
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20. 1944 ouster of Wallace as Democratic VP
The next year Truman took over when FDR died, and the US became the beast bestriding the world to where we are spending half of the world's expenditures on armaments. I know things would have gone similarly even if it didn't happen for some reason, but it's a sign of things.

Perhaps the US is lost, but the world is not yet lost.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:34 AM
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27. Welcome to DU. Nice handle.
Interesting post, though. No, seriously. Not that many people are willing to criticize Truman--look out, man. The Cult of Truman fans around here will come and get you for sure. :-) I think Truman was very flawed, but I don't like to post about it. You intrigue me, newbie. Stick around.
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Roho Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 11:56 PM
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22. Anthrax
Anthrax sent to the Dems
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:37 PM
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30. Hi Roho!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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LearnedHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:42 AM
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23. Clinton's impeachment -- n/t
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:46 AM
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24. raygun's repeal of the "fairness doctrine" & newtz "contract on america"
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 02:34 PM
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34. Have to agree with Fairness Doctrine - made all else possible, didn't it?
.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:56 AM
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25. for me, personally, it was Enron
and the lack of justice in the aftermath....the United States was never the same for me after that
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:39 AM
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28. I don't think there has been a total PoNR, but JFK's death screwed us
the worst, in my opinion. In the battle for whether or not justice or reality will ever be anything except suppressed in this country again, the most permanent loss was his death, and its ongoing cover-up.
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:44 AM
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29. Important Benchmarks - it was kind of hard to decide which to vote
ultimately, i realized I had to vote for the 2000 election as the point of no return in terms of the deliberate will and expression of decision by the citizens vis a vis our vote.

but the other benchmarks are important watershed events as well in terms of changing the course of history - and each of those changes were engineered at the hands of a cabal completely unaccountable to the citizens and our intentions.



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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 04:05 PM
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31. I reject the premise of this poll
If we the citizens cannot retake control of our country then we are wasting our time engaging in politics. I have not yet been defeated!
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 08:03 PM
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32. The passage of the 1964 Civil Rights legislation.
Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 08:04 PM by Tesha
It empowered the Republicans to take over the Old Confederacy
and use its power against America again.

Tesha
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 08:07 PM
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33. We could have overcome EVERYTHING if Clinton had allowed the BCCI papers
to be made public.
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