So, how's Diebold doing these days?

Because nothing progressive in any election year is going to matter until the answer is solidly in the negative.

NOTHING.

harried democratic parents, who rushed home from work to vote, at home. seeing as how Kerry was out so far ahead all day long until about 8PM - when the polls closed.

You & I both have to call our pet theories speculation until the facts are in (or we witness it for ourselves or get access to testimony or studies).

We know elections need transparency. We know we have to be vigilant about insisting the right numbers of machines are available for all ridings - months before the elections.

And we need to all write a mission statement. So when you want into a voting situation, ask for a provisional ballot, and someone gives you gruff - that you have something to say. Well thought out. Exacting. And ready to be delivered to the first goon who tries to take your rights away from you.

Just vote early. That is all you have to do.

Diebold's CEO, Wally Odell: In his invitation to a benefit for Bush last August, he wrote, "I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml

So if you and I were to work together on an election - we would be at odds?

Probably the latter. I've read enough of your posts. :)

I'm just wondering how Diebold is regarded lately, since it's an election year. We learned too late in 2000 and in 2004 about their impact on those elections, and frankly I'd prefer not to see so much shoulda/woulda/coulda on DU with respect to Diebold after THIS year's elections.

off instead of the diebold machines?

They have been off in races where there were no diebold machines. They have been off in races Bush ran in - in Texas.

Keep your mind open. There is more than one way to skin a cat!

of vocab or language.

The greatest discrepancies came in areas where electronic machines were in use, not just Diebold, but ES&S and Sequoia.

Have a link?

evidence of diebold defaulting (both to dems & repukes). But there is not set of witnesses or testimony showing a smoking gun.

So we know the polls were off - but why.

With lawsuits and investigations ongoing from Florida to Alaska (and numerous places inbetween, I sure as hell hope they're finally feeling the heat.

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enough to take back the house.

and in liberal quebec they are saying that Harper (conservative) is ahead by 12 points....can not be the facts...but pushing the lie for diebold win...Harper is a bush* cronie

politicies. Conservatives in Canada could not get elected unless they went middle of the road Liberals. When they do get power - they either turn to the rights they really are (and get kicked out) or their party splits and tries to form a new party.

Haper looked around and could not win as a neocon. He may have a tiny majoirty or a minority. And that will mean he will have to govern as he ran. As a liberal.

He will try and cut taxes and sink social programs in the bathtubs - but he doesn't have the votes to get away with that now.

As to exit polls - some of our press has tried one more time to make it legal to publish exit polls the day of the election. The Supreme Court here said "no- way, you do that - you get arrested".

So it is a very important tool (some of our press are neocons) for the neocons. Leaking polls before the polls have closed in all parts of the country - does affect results. A huge percentage of voters leave work early, get home and turn on the news. Since Canada starts out with Maritimes & Quebec, and ends with the West - the Liberals are always ahead at first (They don't get elected in rural areas outside of Ontario or Manitoba). So leaking the polls would be like pumped up exit polls giving the win to Kerry - it would encourage liberal voters to stay home - at the end of the election day.

because we don't have a whole slate of candidates or issues to vote on. In our parliamentary system it is that you vote for your local rep - and that chooses the PM (head of the party with most members elected). So with a simple yes or no vote - it literally takes 1/2 to 1 hour for paper ballots to be counted.