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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 12:28 PM
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Was Nixon our last elected President to have been a Senator?
I believe that's a fact, but I could be wrong. I know Ford wasn't elected. Carter wasn't a U.S. Senator. Why is it we never elect a Senator and what current Governor do you think will get the nods? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 12:33 PM
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1. The last Pres. directly elected out of the Senate was Kennedy.
Nixon was a Senator, but was VP before elected Pres, as was Dan Quayle.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 12:36 PM
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3. I wonder what makes all these Senator's think they can win then.
:shrug:

Even we are looking at Senator's as hopeful democratic nominees, but I never hear a mention of Governor. Why is that?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 12:40 PM
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10. That's simple. EGO!!!! n/t
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Comicstripper Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 12:42 PM
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11. Not COMPLETELY true...
First of all, lots of people are talking about Mark Warner and, to a lesser extent, Bill Richardson and Tom Vilsack.
But, more importantly, I think it's really unwise to avoid senators because governors are generallt elected president...I doubt their position has anything to do with it. Honestly. It's just the way things have worked out...
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 12:55 PM
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16. Because the number of presidents in the last few decades
is way too small a sample size from which to draw such generalized conclusions as "Senators can't win".
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 12:57 PM
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17. SO my thread seems to be a little uninspired then?
:shrug:
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 01:36 PM
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26. I'm just sayin'
I hear the "Senators can't win" idea pushed around a lot, but it's really the sort of thing that's hard to measure because there's a small data set with a lot of mitigating factors. (e.g. was Mondale's status as a Senator more instrumental in his defeat than his promise to raise taxes?)

There are really two main arguments against running a Senator:

1. Long voting record
2. Lack of executive experience

On the first point, anyone with a long resume can have that resume distorted whether it be a Senate voting record or experience as a governor. ("Willie Horton" ring any bells?) The absense of a long resume exposes a candidate to accusations of being inexperienced. In either case, the standard operating procedure for the Right is to lie and smear, so it doesn't really matter if it's a voting record or something else that's the object of their mendacity.

On the second point, I think the uniqueness of the role of the president means that experience at governance at lower levels of government doesn't necessarily translate into success in the White House. Some folks like Clinton made the transition rather smoothly, whereas others like Reagan and Dubya couldn't handle the responsiblities despite their experience as governors. Furthermore Senators have an edge in that they have foreign policy experience and are familiar with the culture of Washington. I'm not saying that automatically makes them more qualified than a governor, but rather that it's a push.

Given this, do you really think it's responsible to dismiss a charismatic candidate with great leadership qualities solely on the grounds that the candidate is a Senator?
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 01:50 PM
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29. I agree on both points.
We do have the voting record to throw around. And Senators do have more foreign policy experience. And I would never dismiss the idea of a Senator running for the White House (I did vote for Kerry). But we do need someone to energize this party, IMHO. Senator, Governor, former military person (i.e. Clark). It doesn't really matter. I would rather have this conversation as opposed to the typical bash Hillary, Kerry, Edwards, __________ (fill in the blank) talks that I have been seeing a lot of lately. I think that we are being more counter-productive than not when we have go there.
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enigma000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 12:36 PM
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2. if you think of Nixon as a former VP, its further back than that
Bush 43 - Governor
Clinton - Governor
Bush 41 - VP
Reagan - Governor
Carter - Governor
Ford - appointed
Nixon - VP

Was LBJ a senator?

Governors have a track record of governing, senators don't.
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 12:42 PM
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12. Good Lord, what's happened to the educational system in this
country?

Lyndon Baines Johnson was the Majority Leader in the Senate when he took on the job running for VP with JFK.

You mean to tell me, you haven't ever heard of "Landslide Lyndon"?
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 12:53 PM
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15. LOL!
Hey, I resemble that remark. :-) Seriously. My educational background is not what got me where I am today, I can assure you. BUT I am just trying to raise a valid point. We are always focusing on Senators. WHY? :shrug:
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 01:44 PM
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28. Thank you for taking my post in the spirit with which it was intended.
As for focusing on Senators, I think the obvious fact that they are more visible, thanks to the corporate media, in the time period between Presidential elections has everything to do with that.

LBJ fascinates me. I'll probably get flamed big time for this, but I honestly do think with the passage of time, he will be remembered by the "merikun" public, as one of the greatest" Presidents, if our republic survives this latest threat.

LBJ literally came from nothing and rose to be one of two of the most powerful man on the planet. His downfall was the quagmire in 'Nam'. I do believe LBJ died in January, 1973 a broken man. He knew what he did to his beloved country and regretted it.

Saying that, the present occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue will never come to that realization.

It's all about him and always has been. Heh, heh, hunched shoulders, smirk and all. :eyes: :eyes:
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enigma000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 01:12 PM
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20. well, not being American there are a FEW gaps in my knowledge
Landslide Lyndon - I'll remember that.........
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 01:15 PM
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21. He ran in a senate primary I think against
Lloyd Bentsen, and he was down a bit when the last box vcame in from a rural community and sure enough he got just enough votes to win it, and even more interestingly, it appeared that the voters voted overwhelmingly for him in alphabetical order.

Hence the nickname, "Landslide Lyndon."
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enigma000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 01:21 PM
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22. ahhh.....the great state of Texas
An MP in Alberta was nicknamed "Landslide Annie" because she kept winning her riding by well under a couple of thousand votes. But she lost last week.

I remember Lloyd "Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy" Bentsen.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 01:24 PM
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24. I loved when Quayle was slapped down with that comment. n/t
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 01:50 PM
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30. No, it wasn't Lloyd Bentsen.
It was against the then governor of Texas, Coke Stevenson, in 1948.

Believe it or not, at that period of time the Pukes couldn't buy a vote in Texas. My how times have changed.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 01:00 PM
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18. LBJ was known as "Master of the Senate"
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 12:36 PM
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4. The reason is the voting records of Senators and the nature of the senate,
Edited on Sun Jan-29-06 12:37 PM by Mayberry Machiavelli
forcing some compromises, make Senators vulnerable during campaigns, governors much less so.

I.E. "he voted for the 82 billion before he voted against it" and stupid crap like that.

Of course now with the Right Wing Politburo senate, no compromises are necessary, for Repubs, anymore.



Consider a little thing called the War Resolution, gets discussed on DU once in a while, LOL... Gov. Dean, Wes Clark didn't have to vote for or against it. Clean hands.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 12:37 PM
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6. Good point, MM.
But why are we not hearing about any Governor as a possible contender?
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 12:39 PM
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8. The irony is, BEFORE campaign season, Senators get much more news
because they are in the thick of these hearings and frays.

It's DURING campaign season that the things they've said and what they've voted on during these publicity generating events (Alito, War Resolution, Schiavo) then bludgeon them about the head and shoulders.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 01:11 PM
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19. The problem with many Governors is that they have very little experience
with Foreign Policy. Apart from Bill Richardson, Governors (Please note that Mark Warner, Governor of Virginia has been touted quite a bit round here and by the Corporate Media as a candidate for 2008--Don't know if you'd heard :shrug: )just don't have the experience nor the exposure required to necessarily deal with Foreign policy issues, while Senators do debate Foreign policy issues regularily. Doesn't mean that a Governor wouldn't be able to handle those issues.....nor does it mean that Senators are always knowledgeable enough in that area.....but it does certainly mean that most governors are literally "untested" in that arena until they take the oath.

Guess the question becomes are enough voters willing to take a chance to elect a governor who would be receiving Foreign policy experience training on-the-job (see GWB's presidency)? Guess this question may be answered by understanding the global and the domestic political climate and the issues which are most likely to be the "main" issues of a presidential campaign. Last time around, Terrorism and Iraq were the "main" issues (and although Kerry, a senator, won, I don't think that a Governor contender would have done any "better" than Kerry).

So IMO, we should certainly look back at History as a guide, but we shouldn't look at it as a bible. There are too many irregularities in history.

If looking at the historical guide, one would note that neither a Senator nor a Governor was elected during an historical time very similar to today. The last time both the Republican and the Democratic field were wide open (incumbent President was not running), General Eisenhower was elected (and he was neither a Senator nor a Governor). This was also a time when the US was embroiled in an unpopular war (Korea). This was also a time when Foreign policy issues overshadowed most other issues, and voters decided that they needed someone who knew what he was doing.

Republicans hold a trump card called War on Terra/Osama tapes/fear/National Defense. They have and will continue to use this card during elections if it helps them win. Repugs are seen as "strong on National Security" although they are not. Until we get that notion out of voter's head, even Repug Governors have an edge over most Democrats (senator and governors).

So maybe this is a political time in our history where once again a General would be in order. Someone like General Clark maybe? :hi:

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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 01:23 PM
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23. I love Mark Warner and would love to see him run.
I guess I haven't been here as often as I'd like, because last time I remember seeing him mentioned, was in November. :shrug: Lots of Hillary, Kerry, Obama talk, but not a lot of Warner. Just my observation.

The last election did have a little to do with terrorism and Iraq, but I still think the real divider was gay marriage and abortion. God forbid you love someone or have a uterus in this country. :-)

My grandfather, may he rest, always told me that if we have a republican in the White House, we will be in war. That is their policy. Just his opinion, mind you, but it did always make me wonder.

And I do love me some Gen. Clark as well. Give me more like him in Congress. Not just the White House. Maybe a Warner/Clark ticket? :hi:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:13 PM
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34. Unfortunately, your analysis of the 2004 election is all too common.....
Edited on Sun Jan-29-06 02:33 PM by FrenchieCat
You said that.....
The last election did have a little to do with terrorism and Iraq, but I still think the real divider was gay marriage and abortion. God forbid you love someone or have a uterus in this country.

I say that although "Values" was largely touted by the Corporate media directly following the elections (see Fox News jump on Moral Values here: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137535,00.html ), further more cogent analysis and evaluation showed that it was really combined Foreign Policy issues that determined who ended up in the White House.

"What one issue mattered most to you in deciding how you voted for president?" Open-ended. Multiple responses accepted. Asked of Bush and Kerry voters. Form 1 (N=569).

27% Iraq/The war
14% Economy/Jobs
9% Moral values
9% Terrorism/Security
5% Honesty/Integrity
5% Other Bush
4% Other Kerry
4% Health care
3% Abortion
3% Direction of the country
2% Candidate's religiosity, morals
2% Strength/Leadership
2% Foreign policy
2% Gay marriage/Marriage
2% Don't change course
15% Unsure/Nothing/Everything


"Which ONE issue mattered most to you in deciding how you voted for president . . . ?" Respondents read list of options below. Options rotated. Asked of Bush and Kerry voters. Form 2 (N=567).
ALL VOTERS/ BUSH VOTERS/ KERRY VOTERS
Voters
% % %
Moral values
27 44 7
Iraq
22 11 34
Economy/Jobs
21 7 36
Terrorism
14 24 3
Health care
4 1 8
Education
4 2 6
Taxes
3 4 2
Other (vol.)
4 5 3
Unsure
1 2 1
http://www.pollingreport.com/2004.htm

Add terrorism and War in Iraq and see if it adds up to more than "Values". Go to the link and read the following 2 pages article in full and you will better understand the manufactured myth of "value voters" vs. the reality of "Poll wording" and mass propaganda.


The Anatomy of a Myth
How did one exit poll answer become the story of how Bush won? Good question.

The Big Political Idea of the '04 election goes something like this: "Moral values" turned out to be the most important issue to voters, not the economy or the Iraq war or terrorism. President Bush won because a legion of "values voters" -- whose growing numbers escaped the attention of an inattentive media -- preferred him. The Democrats are doomed until they can woo the voters who belong to this new political force.

It's a neat theory -- but wrong. How it came to be regarded as the real story of Bush's victory is a fascinating and sobering example of journalism's quest for freshness and surprise.

Here's the simple fact: The evidence that moral values determined the election rests on a single dodgy exit poll question. And it's not at all clear that more voters are preoccupied with moral values now than were fretting about "family values" on Election Day 1996, when exit pollsters included that phrase in a question about "priorities for the new administration." But in the often arid and repetitive arena of American political ideas, fun new contestants can be hard to disqualify. The myth of the moral values election is proving hard to snuff out.
snip
If the national exit poll had been worded differently, moral values would not have been the top issue and this argument wouldn't be happening.

If, for example, one of the choices on the exit poll list combined "terrorism" and "Iraq," it probably would have been the top concern and nobody would be talking about moral values.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34783-2004Dec4.html



Even the conservative Think tank Org, The CATO Institute figured the phenomenon of poll labeling to push an agenda.


Did gay marriage boost Bush? Some analysts jumped to the conclusion that the 11 state initiatives to ban gay marriage helped Bush win by drawing more Christian conservatives to the polls. It's true that states with such initiatives voted for Bush at higher rates than other states, but that's mostly because the bans were proposed in conservative states. In fact, Bush's share of the vote rose just slightly less in the marriage-ban states than in the other states. Note also that 60 percent of respondents in the exit poll said that they supported either gay marriage or civil unions. And the youngest voters— the future electorate—supported marriage much more strongly than older voters.

Was it a "moral values" election? A broader claim grew out of the exit polls showing that more voters chose "moral values" than anything else as their most important issue. But that claim also fails careful analysis. Yes, 22 percent of exit-poll respondents chose "moral values" as their top concern, compared with "economy/jobs" at 20 percent, terrorism at 19 percent, Iraq at 15 percent, health care at 8 percent, and taxes at 5 percent. But "moral values" was in first place because of the poll design. If Iraq and terrorism were combined, they would have had 34 percent. A single item for "economy, jobs, and taxes" would have had 25 percent. In addition, of course, it's not clear what "moral values" means. The Los Angeles Times exit poll, which asks the question a different way, found that 40 percent of voters surveyed selected "moral/ethical values" as one of their two most important issues in 2004—the same percentage as in 1996, when they reelected Bill Clinton.

It's terrorism, stupid. The most important number in the exit polls was this: 60 percent of respondents said they trusted Bush to handle terrorism, while only 40 percent trusted Kerry. You can't win a post-9/11 election if only 40 percent of voters trust you to protect them against terrorists; people may not be happy with the war in Iraq, but they thought terrorism was the bigger issue.
http://www.cato.org/research/articles/boaz-050201.html

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And although I like your style, I do believe that a Clark/Warner ticket would be more appropriate under this nation's circumstances. Let Clark, the elder, work the International issues and re-evaluate the Porky Defense Budget priorities as Commander in Chief, and let Mark Warner, the younger, use his bi-partisan moderate corporate appeal to some real negotiating with the Senate to get some domestic things done with the excess "defense pork" that Clark could free up...this while Warner bones up on this Foreign policy creds as VP for when he runs for Prez. :)

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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:46 PM
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36. Thanks for your gentle reminder.
:-)

It's another example, I suppose, of how irresponsible our media has become. I still don't understand how people can say Iraq/Terrorism was their motivating factor and then vote for *. Even though the election results were questionable (read: Ohio), it only underlines the fact that most American's are just blind-followers.


Clark/Warner would be a good ticket, IMHO, but I am still wondering why Warner supports NAFTA and WTO. I didn't realize it until today when I started looking at his issues. But I DO like him. I just believe in FAIR trade, not free trade. :shrug:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:59 PM
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41. You're welcome!
In reference to your statement.... "I still don't understand how people can say Iraq/Terrorism was their motivating factor and then vote for *.

Read my sig.....
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 03:02 PM
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42. Great sig line.
It could practically go hand-in-hand with mine. :-)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 03:31 PM
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44. Yes siree ......
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 01:44 PM
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27. As far as getting elected goes
Edited on Sun Jan-29-06 01:45 PM by ruggerson
the American public does not see a governorship as a detriment to a candidacy in terms of foreign policy experience.

They are willing to put their faith in someone they see as levelheaded and competent.

Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton and George Bush the Younger all had zero foreign policy experience and it did not hinder their ability to get elected. As a matter of fact, each one of them defeated an opponent (Ford, Carter, Bush the Elder, Gore) with EXTENSIVE foreign policy background.

And, no, 9/11 hasn't "changed everything."

That is, unless we buy into the neocon argument that it has.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:28 PM
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35. I live in the world of political reality.....
Edited on Sun Jan-29-06 02:37 PM by FrenchieCat
and just as Bush is President today.....

The Mantra "9/11 changed everything" is as potent as ever..... The International situation in those election examples you cite were not as volatile as they are today.

Clinton's '92 election was based on the economy, not foreign policy (as we in no major conflict)-- while using GWB's 2000 election was considered a time of peace and prosperity).

Your examples of Presidents Carter and Reagan does illustrate my point though.....Reagan (a Governor) won against Jimmy Carter (a sitting President)in 1980 precicely because of Foreign policy issues and Carter's then perceived inability to control those situations (see Iran Hostages). Plus, As I stated previously, Republicans (Senator or Governors) fare much better on Foreign policy issues from the getgo regardless of their experience.

The neocon argument was sold and bought long ago....."9/11 changed everything" is currently part of the American Lexicon as a fact at this point, regardless of what we might want to think. Insightful political analysis MUST take the perception of voters into consideration, as those voters are the ones who decide. Leaving out what voters believe will point Democrats to further loses.

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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:47 PM
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37. I don't believe that Americans think that
9/11 "changed everything."

All we need is a candidate who can effectively point out that terrorism was an issue prior to 9/11 and that the Bush administration has been disastrous in terms of its response to 9/11 and terrorism in general.

Time magazine poll out today shows a slight plurality DISAPPROVES of the Bush adminstration handling of terrorism. They disapprove even more decisively of his handling of Iraq.

They want leadership. They don't buy the argument that 9/11 changed everything. They want proven, sound leadership. And who best to offer that than a current or former Chief Executive of a state?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:56 PM
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40. Your analysis is
It really just your opinion backed up with your opinion.

Whend you say that folks want "sound proven leadership"....this does not necessarily translate in The American People glamoring for a one term governor with no foreign policy experience. You will have to explain your train of logic more convincingly for the American public to buy into it.

Warner's leadership was not "all that" to the extent that an Osama Tape released on October 31st (see 2004 campaign) would have no affect. :shrug:

What word in "GOP will use War on Terra Trump Card everytime to manipulate an election (and the corporate media will play)" do you not understand? :eyes:
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 03:10 PM
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43. Polling data is actually empirical
not opinion.

Here is the key data from the new Time poll:

Forty-eight percent disapprove of Bush`s handling of the war on terrorism and 47 percent approve.

and

60 percent of U.S. citizens disapprove of President George W. Bush`s handling of the war in Iraq


http://news.monstersandcritics.com/northamerica/article_1089976.php/Poll_Most_disagree_with_Bush_on_Iraq

Now, it is not hard to deduce from this polling data that Democrats can be very successful arguing that "9/11 changed everything" is just a bogus talking point from a failed adminstration and that we need a new direction for fighting terrorism.

Please refer me to recent polling data showing that Americans would like to see only a general or someone with extensive foreign policy background sitting in the oval office.

If you cannot, then I respectfully suggest that it is you who are merely offering opinions to buttress your fervent support of one particular candidate.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. Mark Warner would NOT be running against Bush....
remember that.

The candidate field is open in 2008.

You support Mark Warner and give your best arguments as to why (BTW, is all that you are doing, even if you'd like it veiled as something else), and I'll give my best supporting Clark (never denied my fervency, not am I using your fervency as some kind of debating point).

In the end, "9/11 changed everything" will find a way to manifest itself one way or the other....to play into the fears of voters....you can bet on the GOP to make sure of that.

That mantra is something that we can get around, as long as we are not in denial that it exists out there in many, many voters minds. That's how we challenge an issue...head on, not head in the sand. :hi:
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #19
31. From your lips to God's ear.
:hi: :hi:
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. The only thing that bothers me about Warner is his WTO support.
What is Clark's stance on WTO and NAFTA?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:48 PM
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38. Here....
http://www.issues2000.org/Wesley_Clark_VoteMatch.htm
Clark's stance on NAFTA/FREE TRADE (topic 13)
Labor rights are human rights: promote free and fair trade: Opposes topic 13

Stop rewarding companies that shift jobs overseas: Strongly Opposes topic 13

Free trade will work if terms are fair for labor: Favors topic 13

Reciprocal trade with enforcement against dumping: Strongly Opposes topic 13

Address shifts in production that come with free trade: Opposes topic 13

I believe in fair trade, not free trade: Opposes topic 13

Prosperity depends on open borders: Favors topic 13

Free trade areas depend on international cooperation: Favors topic 13
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:52 PM
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39. Thank you!
Reading now. :-)
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Itchinjim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 12:36 PM
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5. Al Gore was the last elected President to have been a Senator.
n/t
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 12:38 PM
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7. Touche!
But he WAS a VP running for President. So I don't know if that counts. :shrug:
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 12:43 PM
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13. The OP only says 'to have been' a Senator
Not from Senator directly to elected President.

So, Gore would count.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 12:50 PM
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14. That's true.
Perhaps I should have worded it differently. We always seem to be focusing on Senators and talking about why THEY would or wouldn't be a good candidate. I am just trying to think of a current Governor we might focus on.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 12:39 PM
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9. Yes
He was in the Senate from 1950-2 and then resigned to become Ike's VP.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 01:28 PM
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25. This is EXACTLY why Warner and Schweitzer
should be on the top of everyone's list.

We nominate a Senator, I don't care if it's Hillary, Kerry, Bayh, Feingold or Biden... we lose.

We nominate a sitting or former Chief Executive of a state, we stand a very good chance of winning.

Senators are a good pool for a Veep pick, but not for the top of the ticket.
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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 01:56 PM
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32. No, Kerry was
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