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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:11 PM
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FEITH STALLING SENATE INQUIRY INTO PRE-WAR INTELL!!(Phase 2)
Edited on Mon Jan-30-06 01:14 PM by kpete
Pentagon investigation of Iraq hawk stalling Senate inquiry into pre-war Iraq intelligence
Larisa Alexandrovna
Published: January 30, 2006


The second part of the Senate investigation into bungled pre-war Iraq intelligence is still being held up by an internal Pentagon investigation of Douglas Feith, one of the war's leading architects, RAW STORY has learned.

As previously reported by Raw Story, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI) inquiry -- titled Phase II -- is waiting on a report from the Pentagon inspector general as to Feith's alleged role in manipulating pre-war intelligence to support a case for war. Feith, who is also being probed by the FBI for his role in an Israeli spy case, resigned in January 2005.

More broadly, a RAW STORY investigation has found that Feith's access to classified information and his alleged wrongdoing can likely be laid at the feet of more senior officials in the Bush Administration -- namely Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld -- who would have had to have overruled Pentagon background checks to reissue Feith's clearances after he was booted from the National Security Council for allegations of espionage in the mid 1980s.

Senate and intelligence sources say that although the Phase II investigation into Iraq pre-war intelligence is stalled, the real issue is a "revolving door" policy which allowed a coterie of Iraq war hawks to shuttle in and out of the Pentagon despite their involvement in myriad intelligence-related scandals.

At the heart of the Senate Intelligence Committee's delay is the fact that Feith and the Defense Department refuse to provide documents and witnesses to the Committee. Senate sources say that Feith and the Pentagon have made the case that they will not share any information until the Senate provides them with full documentation of what the investigation is looking into, documentary evidence that Senate staff have acquired, and any other key findings that Feith's lawyers believe should be made available to them.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Pentagon_investigation_stalls_Phase_II_of_0130.html
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:12 PM
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1. reading article now will update with reply in a second n/t
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:13 PM
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2. Feith is still looking to find ways to blame Clinton
he'll get back to you on that one..
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:18 PM
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3. Rumsfeld seen to reinstate clearances
Rumsfeld seen to reinstate clearances

Despite their checkered past, Rumsfeld's Pentagon reissued clearances to Feith, Perle and Wolfowitz. Clearances were also issued to several of Feith's consultants, some of whom were major players in the Iran Contra scandal.
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Pentagon_investigation_stalls_Phase_II_of_0130.html
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:37 PM
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12. You might throw John Poindexter into the mix, too
I think the Information Awareness office need a little scrutiny. Big Brother is alive and well.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:19 PM
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4. Like all things NeoCons...stonewalling whilst they continue their evil way
Just how the fuck can someone know where answers to questions will lead an investigation?


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SeattleRob Donating Member (893 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:26 PM
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5. this is all intriguing....
Will we ever have an honest, thorogh investigation?
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:37 PM
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11. Honest? Yes, some dissertation in 2054 will do it. Thorough? No,
the information trail is being destroyed even as I write and you read. There will NEVER be a thorough investigation, with respect to encompassing the realities of the events that have taken place.



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kynn Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 06:36 PM
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30. I hope...
...against all hope that there are "moles for truth" inside the system who are surreptitiously keeping a paper trail, waiting for more propitious time to reveal it to the world.

kj
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:27 PM
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6. RICHARD PERLE is behind Feith, Wolfowitz, Ledeen and others
Could Feith be the one that was asking Ledeen to get the classified information back in the early eighties or was Ledeen the next guy to get classified intel for the Israelies after Feith was dismissed.


In 1983, on the recommendation of Richard Perle, Ledeen was hired at the
DoD as Consultant on Terrorism. His immediate supervisor was the Principle Assistant Secretary for International Security Affairs, Noel Koch. Early in their work together, Koch noticed with concern Ledeen's habit of stopping by in his (Koch's) outer office to read classified materials. When the two of them took a trip to Italy, Koch learned from the CIA station there that when Ledeen had lived in Rome previously, as correspondent for The New Republic, he was carried in Agency files as an agent of influence of a foreign government: Israel. Some time after their return from the trip, Ledeen approached his boss with a request for his assistance in obtaining two highly classified CIA reports which he said were held by the FBI. He had hand written on a piece of paper the identifying "alpha numeric designators". These identifiers were as highly classified as the reports themselves, which raised in Koch's mind the question of who had provided them to Ledeen if he did not have the clearances to obtain them himself.


http://english.daralhayat.com/opinion/OPED/09-2004/Article-20040923-2bb7c71c-c0a8-01ed-000b-9a72d39dc129/story.html


Perle, who most recently served as chairman of the Pentagon Defense Policy Board and quietly resigned after the AIPAC case broke, was alleged to have passed on highly classified information to the Israeli embassy when he was a foreign policy aide for Senator Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson in 1970.

Perle was instrumental in bringing Feith into several positions, starting in the early 80s. By the mid-1980s Feith was relieved of his clearances for allegations of passing secrets to AIPAC, bringing the question of clearances full circle.


http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Pentagon_investigation_stalls_Phase_II_of_0130.html


So it is Perle, Dumbsfeld, Hadley/Rice, with Cheney and all of their underlings - interesting - RICHARD PERLE

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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:32 PM
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7. You always get me thinking
Ledeen, so many questions
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:33 PM
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8. This is a very big can of worms
they are stalling because it will bring down the whole house of cards. A lot of people will be going to Federal prison for a very long time.
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kynn Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 06:41 PM
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31. You sure are an optimist :)
I think that it is very unlikely in any event that any of these people will do jail time. They have sooo many aces in the hole that they are essentially invulnerable. The most I expect they will suffer is to be shut-out from holding public office, at which point they'll settle into a lucrative consultantship a la Henry Kissinger.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:34 PM
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9. How did Rumsfeld get into the position that he is in today?
Edited on Mon Jan-30-06 01:36 PM by stop the bleeding
Did he get appointed by * or really in that case by Cheney?

I find it very interesting that he was one of the few surviving people of the Iran/Contra affair that could still maintain a high level office that would allow security clearances for a lot of his old boys like Ledeen, Feith and Wolfowitz.

Also find it interesting that the WH will not remove Dumbsfeld for any reason what so ever. Once Feith and Dumbsfeld were in position they formed a very effective block on the investigative process not to mention how they were able to come up with their recipe for war and WMD's.

This would also tie in nicely with Robertpaulsen's paper called American Judas

Who is in control of Dumbsfeld?
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:38 PM
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13. internal Pentagon investigation - Permanent Stalling Tactic?
The second part of the Senate investigation into bungled pre-war Iraq intelligence is still being held up by an internal Pentagon investigation of Douglas Feith
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 02:26 PM
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23. Rumsfeld and Cheney were in the Nixon administration during the Kent
State killings. I remember reading that a few years ago. They go way back together ~

Imo, this group is the heart of the 'coup' that took over the country. They've been in and out of government for decades. Feith, Ledeen, Poindexter, Elliot Abrams, Perle, Wolfowitz, and others.

They have to stall and block anything that will finally uncover their treasonous acts against this country.

Perle is also under investigation in the Conrad Black case, also being handled by Fitzgerald. They are everywhere. Like cockroaches, you can't get rid of them ~

The more I read about them, the more I hate the media. The American people had a right to know the backgrounds of these people, how some of them were suspected in the past of perhaps, spying on this country.

Larry Franklin was sentenced to 12 years last week, but was it on the media? He too was in Italy with Ledeen and the Iran arms dealer from Iran/Contra when the Forged Niger documents were found.

If the truth ever comes out about this cabal I think there will be trials for treason ~ they will fight like crazy to stop that from happening.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 03:52 AM
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34. Great thread and Raw Story article....
Rumsfeld was key to the Gulf War and probably has a special relationship with Poppy and the Saudis:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/attack/ap/oct01/ap-attacks-rumsfel100301.asp?format=print


RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, preparing allies for possible military strikes in Afghanistan, said Saudi officials expressed concern Wednesday that a war on terrorism could create harmful ``secondary effects'' in the Muslim world.

Rumsfeld met in the Saudi capital with King Fahd and Crown Prince Abdullah, then dined at the palace of Prince Sultan, the kingdom's minister of defense. It was the first stop on a mission to boost support from Arab and Central Asia nations with bases that could be vital for military action.

<snip>

``To the extent that nations are well-knitted together at the top ... those kinds of things get worked out,'' he said. ``The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, as the keeper of the holy places in their religion, has a special responsibility, and we recognize that and are comfortable with it.''


Recall that Rumsfeld also personally met with and shook hands with Saddam when the U.S. supplied WMDs to Iraq to be used against Iran in the Iraq-Iran War.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_War




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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 05:26 AM
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35. oohhhhh, there's also this.....
Rumsfeld always seemed illuminaughty:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=66773


3. Goldman Sachs – a lucrative investment firm that is listed quite prominently as one of the main investors in Cognis on their website.(http://www.cognis.com/framescout.html?/company/company.... ) Also there is a link with Donald Rumsfeld to two organizations, Bilderberg and ABB through the chairman of Goldman Sachs, General Peter Sutherland from Ireland. Some of the Western world's leading financiers and foreign policy strategists attend Bilderberg. Rumsfeld is an active Bilderberger. So is General Peter Sutherland from Ireland, a former European Union commissioner and chairman of Goldman Sachs and of BP. Rumsfeld and Sutherland served together in 2000 on the board of the Swedish/Swiss energy company ABB. ( http://www.fact-index.com/b/bi/bilderberg_group.html )
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:36 PM
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10. They are all linked together: The Power of Nightmares
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 02:34 PM
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24. It gets funnier than that . . .
http://www.counterpunch.org/green02282004.html
Perle's second brush with the law occurred a year later in 1970. An FBI wiretap authorized for the Israeli Embassy picked up Perle discussing with an Embassy official classified information which he said had been supplied to by a staff member on the National Security Council. An NSC/FBI investigation was launched to identify the staff member, and quickly focused upon Helmut Sonnenfeldt. The latter had been previously investigated in 1967 while a staff member of the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research, for suspected unauthorized transmission to an Israeli Government official of a classified document concerning the commencement of the 1967 war in the Middle East.

http://home.earthlink.net/~platter/articles/030507-perle.html
7 May 2003

Last February, the Defense Policy Board, a group of outside advisors to the Pentagon, received a classified presentation from the super-secret Defense Intelligence Agency on the crises in North Korea and Iraq.

Three weeks later, the then-chairman of the board, Richard N. Perle, offered a briefing of his own at an investment seminar on ways to profit from possible conflicts with both countries. . . .

Helmut Sonnenfeldt, a former State Department counselor and current member of the policy board who attended Stenbit's briefing, said he did not think the discussion gave Perle any competitive advantage. . . . Sonnenfeldt said he has known Perle for many years, and never known him to act unethically.

Ain't it sweet when you can get your co-conspirators to serve as character witnesses for you?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 03:04 PM
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25. Perle, Feith and Trireme Partners
http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/03/1581461.php

Another good reason for War with Iraq, and it's resulting death, dismemberment of human bodies, disease, destruction and terror = Profit$ for Defense Policy Board Chairman Richard Perle and his investment group Trireme Partners L.P. ! When the body bags start coming back to grieving American families, we will know one reason they were sent over there was to make business for war profiteers like Mr. Perle.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 03:05 PM
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26. Good research on Helmut Sonnenfeldt and Perle - here is something
Edited on Mon Jan-30-06 03:07 PM by stop the bleeding
more on Sonnenfeldt and Dumbsfeld:

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:ZVl_GZGEtJoJ:quest.cjonline.com/stories/122900/gen_1229007576.shtml+Sonnenfeldt+rumsfeld+&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

"How much of a role in shaping Pentagon policy is going to be accorded to Mr. Rumsfeld?" Smith said.

"I think the president is lucky to get him because he's had the experience," said Helmut Sonnenfeldt of the Brookings Institution. "And he should work well with Cheney, something of a protege of his from back in the 1970s."

But, noting the 68-year-old Rumsfeld's age, Sonnenfeldt added: "I'm sure he's in fine condition and health, but it's a very big job," which involves a lot of work at home and a lot of travel abroad.



Notice the date of the article 12/29/2000 - days after SCOTUS/Scalia gives * the presidency



and this article here is interesting as well:


Helmut Sonnenfeldt, a former State Department counselor and current member of the policy board who attended Stenbit's briefing, said he did not think the discussion gave Perle any competitive advantage. "I'm not a technical expert but my guess is that a lot of what he said has long since showed up in congressional hearings," he said. But Gordon Adams, a policy board member until 2001 and the director of security policy studies at George Washington University's Elliott School of International Affairs, said the similarity of the subject to the investment targets of the fund "doesn't look good."

"You're supposed to bend over backwards to avoid anything that has the appearance of a conflict of interest, even if it's strictly legal, because you can compromise the integrity of the panel's work," he said. Sonnenfeldt said he has known Perle for many years, and never known him to act unethically. "To make a hard and fast connection between Perle hearing something at the briefing and using it to further his commercial interests is a jump I wouldn't want to make," he said. Defense Policy Board members are not paid but are subject to government ethics prohibitions that bar the use of public office for private gain. They are required to file a disclosure form with the Pentagon listing their business interests. The forms are not made public. At the time Rumsfeld appointed him chairman of the board, Perle was just forming his new investment fund. Planning documents from early July 2001 show that he and his partners hoped to raise $500 million, which they aimed to "invest in emerging growth companies," including defense and aerospace firms.

'A Friend'

Perle would be "fully engaged in the investment activities of the Partnership," said the prospectus. Gerald Hillman, Perle's friend and business partner, would be the fund's "primary deal-maker." The following month, Hillman was named to the policy board. Membership on the board, says its charter, "will consist primarily of private sector individuals with distinguished backgrounds in national security affairs." Perle, who worked at the Pentagon during the Reagan years, is a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute think tank and directed its Commission on Future Defenses. He has also advised members of Congress and is frequently called to testify at defense hearings on Capitol Hill. The biography of Hillman included in the draft prospectus lists no national security or defense qualifications. It says Hillman has "a strong background in industrial policy, corporate strategy and finance." During a brief phone conversation, Hillman said he has known Rumsfeld for 35 years. He invited further questions by e-mail, but did not respond. Several military experts said they had never heard of Hillman.

"He doesn't seem to have any apparent credentials for the board other than being a friend of Richard's," Brooks said. "To not see a causal relationship strains credulity." In November 2001, the investment fund was incorporated in Delaware under the name of Trireme Partners. Trireme declines to reveal its investors. Correspondence obtained by the Los Angeles Times shows that in late March, Hollinger International Inc. — a company owned by media magnate Conrad Black and where Perle is a director — invested $2.5 million in the fund earlier this year. The New Yorker magazine first reported on Perle's involvement with Trireme while he was serving as chairman of the Defense Policy Board. Its story, written by Seymour Hersh, revealed that Perle had met with Adnan Khashoggi, a controversial Saudi arms dealer, and Harb Saleh Zuhair, a Saudi businessman, and sought investments in the fund from them.



http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:YJpMSjKGT38J:www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/after/2003/0507overlap.htm+Sonnenfeldt+rumsfeld+&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=7


Sounds like we need more info on Trireme, Perle, Hillman, Rumsfeld, and Cheney
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 03:08 AM
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33. Excellent stb! Don't forget the Boeing connection.
If you want to explore Trireme, then Boeing, which this article cites as the "biggest investor" in Trireme, is a good place to look deeper:


Take Roche. He was a driving force behind the plan to have the Pentagon lease and modify 100 Boeing airliners for use as aerial refueling tankers -- which would have cost $4 billion more than buying them outright. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) described this no-bid deal as "war profiteering." Roche's former company, Northrop Grumman, was a major partner with Boeing on programs like the F-18 combat aircraft. His backroom dealing on Boeing's behalf carries a strong whiff of conflict of interest.

Roche's role pales in comparison with longtime Rumsfeld crony Richard Perle. Perle stepped down as chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board last spring after it was revealed that he was using his position on the board to solicit investments for his firm, Trireme, and consulting contracts on defense-related matters from companies like Loral and Global Crossing.

Perle's evasive maneuver -- stepping down as chairman while remaining on the board -- is testimony to his long-standing friendship with Rumsfeld. In fact, Perle has frequently cited his role as a close advisor to Rumsfeld in seeking investments for his firm and consulting contracts for himself.

Perle also has a Boeing connection. The company is the biggest investor by far in Trireme. Perle has been a staunch advocate of the Boeing tanker lease, writing and speaking out on behalf of it -- a year after Boeing committed to invest up to $20 million in his company. Was the Boeing investment in Trireme a recognition of Perle's investment savvy or a not-so-transparent ploy to curry favor with a close Rumsfeld confidant?


more...

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=7862

Great article about Rummy's vision of "Department of Defense Inc."
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:42 PM
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14. Pat Roberts is aiding them in this. Another case of Privileged Govt.
gone wild. And Senators who have no ethics, only loyalty to "the Emperor."
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:49 PM
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16. He's the guy who was confronted by Harry Reid
He went on all the Sunday shows and talked about how he had his "track shoes" on when it came to getting out Phase II.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 08:49 PM
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43. which had already been exposed as a lie
because he had answered Kerry's DSM letter demanding that they do Part II on whether the administation distorted the intelligence signed by 9 other Senators by writing a letter saying that they NEVER committed to doing that and that it was already addressed by Part I. Kerry put his letter and Robert's response up on his web site after the media ignored this when Roberts said it was in the works when Reid took the Senate into closed session.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:46 PM
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15. If we ever get any justice for those who hijacked our government
we will have people like those at rawstory to thank for it, not the high-priced hacks in the so-called mainstream media who played it safe while America was attacked from within. And the president, the ignorant fool who said it was okay if he was incompetent because he'd just rely on his advisers, has presided over this catastrophe, yet he will be delivering the State of the Union Address tomorrow as if none of it had happened. Unbelievable.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:53 PM
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17. To be fair, an investigation of Feith is holding up the larger inquiry
Edited on Mon Jan-30-06 01:54 PM by izzybeans
into WMD not Feith himself, he's on double super-secret probation on this one. The Pentagon and Senate double probe into Feith's impropriety. But the Q. is the Pentagon to be trusted? There is an obvious answer here.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:58 PM
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18. Quite obvious
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 02:11 PM
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19. I only say that because the title of the thread
Edited on Mon Jan-30-06 02:13 PM by izzybeans
appears to suggest he himself was holding it up. Maybe I read the article too fast. I apologize if I'm misreading something.

On edit: I have no faith that the Pentagon will hand over anything useful.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 02:15 PM
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21. it's cool - you are on the right track - investigation is being held up
Edited on Mon Jan-30-06 02:16 PM by stop the bleeding
by Dumbsfeld = Feith, Perle, Wolfowitz, Ledeen = working with/part of OSP/WHIG, Bolton State Dept, and rice/Hadley = false WMD's in Iraq War.

see posts # 6 and 11 up thread for more
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 02:18 PM
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22. Thanks!
I was literally dumbfounded in the turned temporarily stupid sort of way by this article. The mere appearance of policing your own is shockingly widespread these days.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 05:49 PM
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28. Exactly, they already have a track record on 'investigations'
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 02:14 PM
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20. what the investigation is looking into
Edited on Mon Jan-30-06 02:18 PM by LunaC
According to an email from Di-Fi from several months ago, they're looking into the Office of Special Plans in the Department of Defense, the use of intelligence provided by the Iraqi National Congress, and new revelations concerning the CURVEBALL case since the Committee's first Iraq report. Feith's trying to ascertain what they already know so he can tell his lies accordingly.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 05:01 PM
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27. kicking for evening crowd n/t
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 02:41 AM
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32. Another kick for the late night crowd!
:kick:
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 06:20 PM
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29. Now they can stall all they want. They now OWN the entire gov't.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:10 PM
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36. Anyone else catch Larisa tying Perle & Wolfowitz to AIPAC?
From the OP link:

The Franklin leak is hardly an isolated incident.

In 1978, the current head of the World Bank and former Deputy Defense Secretary Secretary Paul Wolfowitz was investigated for passing classified information through AIPAC, the same organization that Franklin is charged with passing state secrets to.

Wolfowitz, who at the time was working for the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency (ACDA), was himself brought in by yet another high level alleged leaker, Richard Perle. Perle, too, is being investigated in the current AIPAC case.

Perle, who most recently served as chairman of the Pentagon Defense Policy Board and quietly resigned after the AIPAC case broke, was alleged to have passed on highly classified information to the Israeli embassy when he was a foreign policy aide for Senator Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson in 1970.

Perle was instrumental in bringing Feith into several positions, starting in the early 80s. By the mid-1980s Feith was relieved of his clearances for allegations of passing secrets to AIPAC, bringing the question of clearances full circle.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:17 PM
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37. A good number of the neoconsters have ties to AIPAC.
I just wish these f*ckers would finally come face-to-face with justice. It still stuns me that these corrupt assholes are directing this nation's policies.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:22 PM
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38. anyone else besides me, I see it plain as day,
Edited on Tue Jan-31-06 01:23 PM by stop the bleeding
posts# 6,9,26 are all over this with more detail than what is highlighted below. I see that you have already been there.

This whole thing keeps going back to American Judas(post# 35 touches on this) if you ask me, Cheney/Khan/Rumsfeld=Perle=Feith,Wolfowitz,Ledeen -these bastards were trying to do this stuff in the 70's under Nixon. They tried again in the 80's under Reagan and now they are at it once again under the current puppet.

Ironic that Cheney and Rumsfeld are responsible for all of this and parts of some investigations are being held up by them.

So who are Cheney and Rumsfeld beholden to? Israel?

Who do they have to answer to? Israel?

Is there any way to get them out of power permanently? I want these guys gone out of DC forever no more of this revolving door BS that happens in DC decade after decade.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:24 PM
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39. As, usual, you are very inciteful
How we get them out of office. I am beginning to give up...
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 05:46 PM
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40. My post #35 touched on the world banking elite....
As soon as anyone mentions the Bilderbergers or the European Illuminati, and certainly when they insinuate that Jewish bankers control the world, then they are immediately painted as anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists, and this may be correct. Rumsfeld himself spilled the beans when he said, in the link from the previous post #34, "To the extent that nations are well-knitted together at the top..." referring to Saudi Arabia. This is the very nature of Ledeen's "universal fascism" and there is no racial, religious, or ideological bias behind it other than the desire of the wealthy few to maintain control over the masses. The fact that Saudi Arabia is allowed to invest in and have a say over much of the American mainstream media is another dangerous aspect to this type of control.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 06:20 PM
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41. Kick, and while I'm on a soapbox let me say this...
If I were supremely wealthy and I wanted to maintain control over the masses, what better way to do it than to play into people's religious and ideological values?

There is a wealthy religious-right banker in California by the name of Howard Ahmanson, Jr.. He has funded the Chalcedon Institute (Reconstructionism - rule by a Christian God) and has also funded Diebold and ESS electronic voting companies:

http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.a.htm#ahmanson

http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v08n1/chrisre3.html

The wealthy Saudis maintain control of the holiest places in Islam and can appeal to the vast population of Islamic Fundamentalists who want to obtain control over the Middle East, even to the extent of sponsoring some of the more radical elements of the movement.

The Israeli Likud party, and their wealthy sponsors, can appeal to Zionists and even overlap with Christian Zionism. There may also be an ideological movement identified as Judeo-Masonry.

These are all ideologies that the wealthy elite can take advantage of. Why are so many vehemently anti-Communist? Probably because of the threat of some sort of Marxist revolution where common people become a threat. (Not that I'm a communist, I'm just saying...)
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 08:35 PM
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42. kickety, kick n/t
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