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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 06:52 PM
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After tommorrow, does 2006 even matter?
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 06:53 PM
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1. oh, now bush's speech is bad, but you don't have to
go THAT far

;-)

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 06:57 PM
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4. Obviously I meant the confirmation. Sorry but my humour button is broken!
I am quite serious. Even if we sweep Congress, we cannot undo this damage!
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:12 PM
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8. I'm hoping that Alito's far right opinions
will make the other justices adjust, like Kennedy will become the swing vote,
and will vote more sensibly,

things may not be ALL that bad, we'll see how the court shapes up over time

take heart!
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:25 PM
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14. Well, since the court is packed with young, ultra-right-wing judges
I really don't see how it's going to "shape up over time" :wtf:
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:42 PM
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30. I was talking to a frind of mine who is a judge
(a housing court judge), who is a democrat, and his perspective was
interesting - and made some good points about the non-conservative judges
changing, becoming more 'liberal' in order to counter the heavy weight of the
far-right judges.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:54 PM
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33. Yeah, that perspective certainly is interesting, since there aren't
enough "non-conservative" judges to make a difference anymore.

We now lose 5 to 4 on almost every important issue, with the exception of an outright reversal of Roe. Kennedy will rule to uphold any restriction on Roe, just not for the complete criminalization of abortion. And Kennedy and Stevens aren't exactly spring chickens- Bush will likely get at least one more nominee.

They have the Court for the next couple of generations, and they damn well know it.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:42 PM
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31. And Bush will likely get another one before it's said and done
The next 2 generations will see the republican equivalent of the Warren Court acting to undo privacy laws, New Deal legislation, worker protections, environmental legislation...
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:26 PM
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15. and we won't sweep congress
frankly, after this debacle, I don't see any reason to send money or even go to the polls this fall. We don't have any representation in DC, period. We have NO say on ANY issues. It's over.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 06:56 PM
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2. It matters more than ever. NT
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:37 PM
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23. Indeed it does.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 06:57 PM
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3. Hell No!....The elections are rigged anyway....
USA is a full blown fascist dictatorship, and will be for the quite some time.

I'm watching this asshole Inhofe, on the floor of the US Senate trashing liberals and blaming Clinton for everything.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 08:12 PM
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35. Ding! It hasn't mattered since 2000.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 06:59 PM
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5. 2006 makes no difference...
After tomorrow when Alito is confirmed, it is all over. There are no more avenues left. Our votes will not count in 2006 and Bush will be given a pass on whatever illegal THING he wants to do. This SCOTUS nomination was not about abortion. It was about the end of Democracy. And our Democratic Senators rolled over. It is over.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:16 PM
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10. Don't give up hope
The Mafia always found ways to make offers that people couldn't refuse. Like maybe an offer to step down from the court. Progressives need a Mafia.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:00 PM
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6. Nope...eom
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Innocent Smith Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:06 PM
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7. Today shows why it matters
nt
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:15 PM
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9. look
Congress can fashion laws that the courts can't touch.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:23 PM
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13. Umm, the Congress is GOP-controlled too
in case you hadn't noticed.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:29 PM
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17. didn't the poster say after 2006?
that means that we have to get busy and elect a Democratic congress at the midterm.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:32 PM
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19. When the Repugs control the voting machines???
Just how is that going to happen. Haven't any of you read the GAO report on the voting machines?
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:35 PM
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20. VA, CA and NJ 05. It may be an uphill battle, but we can win elections.nt
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:38 PM
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25. 05 elections did not matter...
...In the larger picture they didn't need to steal those elections. They aren't stupid. They will choose their battles. If you don't think they will do every thing possible in 2006 to regain control in Congress, you just aren't paying attention.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:43 PM
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32. If you don't think 05 "mattered" you aren't paying attention.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:21 PM
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11. Good Lord, that attitude is what has helped give us Bush,
republican majorities in the house and senate, and all the Alitos that come with it. I am not saying that attitude is the sole cause, but the Nader "no difference between Gore and Bush" argument and the 3 million people who bought into it definitely helped get us in this shitty spot we are in.

When we stop fighting this it is going to get MUCH MUCH worse.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 08:29 PM
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40. no the murder of wellstone and diebold in ohio got us this nt
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:22 PM
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12. Nope, and it's a done deal anyway
this alito isue has shown that the Dem party is pretty much dead. Looking for a GOP landslide. If they can't win on this one issue with Smirk's approval rating down near his IQ, we really can't expect them to accomplish anything ever again.
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sproutster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:27 PM
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16. I feel just like you sara :(
GD it, I am sick. How can people support the corruption. They just put a man on the supreme court who's record shows EXACTLY what he is about. Nobody gives a rats ass about you and me (the universal you and me). How many phone calls, emails, and faxes did we send?

I think the Enabling Act was signed today.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:29 PM
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18. I can't believe all the defeatists here
Get a grip. How many times were Coal miners shot while trying to form a Union, with the "consent" of local government? Does anyone think Capitalist Bosses were pushovers? Do you think they WANTED Child Labor laws and a minimum wage? How many Slaves were "legally owned" before Slavery was outlawed? How many generations of women had no right to vote? Tides can turn but only when people keep organizing.
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Blackthorn Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:36 PM
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21. It's all well and good to be positive...
...but you need to be realistic. People "organising" is not going to save the USA. All the talking and sign-waving and blustery posts about Dubya might make you feel better, but they do exactly NOTHING to change anything. Unless you can get literally millions of people in a show of force, then it really is all over. Hell, even then would you expect Bush to listen?

Welcome to the 4th Reich. Enjoy your stay.
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sproutster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:36 PM
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22. I am still not seeing sunlight - we were betrayed by our own.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:37 PM
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24. None of the people I mentioned who went before us saw sunlight n/t
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 08:14 PM
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37. The difference isthe coal miners did not have a union that was taken away,
there were NO child labor laws to be overturned , and the slaves had never been free. This is about "repealing' our rights that we currently have. This isn't about creating a demand for rights that don't exist! They don't care about our "organizing" Haven't you noticed the Unions are dying? If the tide was going to be turned by numbers, it would have been turned in 2000. I don't know folks but the old ways do not provide the answer. Perhaps we need to buy some Senaztors and a voting machine company. Also throw in a couple of SCOTUS Judges as well. They were on sale in 2000!
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 08:20 PM
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39. Rights were taken away in the South, after the Civil War
Blacks were getting elected in the South before Jim Crow laws were put into place. The Ku Klux Klan regained power in the South. Rosie the Riveter was forced out of the work place following World War II and sent home to be a good house wife again. Progress is rarely an uninterrupted forward march.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:38 PM
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26. A Congress of the People
Is now our only hope. If we don't get people in there who will remind Americans of our real values and real civil rights, we won't have anybody to rise up against the excessiveness of the right wing.

I know how you feel Saracat, but hang in there. There's more than one way to skin a cat and don't you worry, we'll figure out how to skin this one.
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dobegrrrl Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:39 PM
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27. Kaine's reply to be BIPARTISAN
What the F is wrong with the Dems - having Tim Kaine give the Dem repy!!!! He is preaching GET ALONG!! THERE'S A BETTER WAY! BTW - he is prowar, and antiabortion! :grr:
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sproutster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:39 PM
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28. Sara and others read this post - I actually got teary.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x273975
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 08:29 PM
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41. Yes. Imagine if we focused our efforts on Repukes!
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:41 PM
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29. nope, the fat lady sang...eom
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 08:08 PM
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34. After tomorrow, 2006 is twice as important. (nt)
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 08:18 PM
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38. Maybe, but the damage done today is permanent.
And it was deliberately done by members of our own party.This is not reversible in my lifetime and the other jurists are older. Bush may have two more cracks at this before his term is over and all the Congress critters and Senators in the world aren't going to be able to stop it.We might do some damage control but the worst has happened.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 08:13 PM
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36. nope
the coup is complete. We will never have a Democratic voice anywhere in the US again.
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