How many people really think Bush is looking to make America Fascist?

I'm just curious, becuase I really believe that. I do not think it is pure coincidence that all of this is happening now. Global warming, energy tightness, Iraq, terrorism, etc; all the while, our government slowly morphs before our eyes. Either the whole world is going totally fucking crazy...or I am. I just haven't figured out which yet.

I see hard times ahead.

Olafr

And Alito is his tool

because I don't think Bush himself does any thinking/planning/working/etc

his allies have been working for decades to make this happen. His paternal grandfather Prescott Bush gave financial support and laundered money to Hitler and even Truman couldn't put him in jail but Prescott did have his businesses taken away but Prescott pretended to be for integration and won a Senate seat. Junior is just the puppet.

Read up on The Resistance to Hitler.

but it is.

of fascism.

I imagine he couldn't even tell you the definition of "fascism" if he wasn't wearing his jetpack.

It's well under way.

I mean, it's been sliding that way since at least when they murdered JFK...

couldn't just decide because there was a war on, that he needed to stay in the Presidency.

Olafr

sucks

Real ID Act, the coming updated Patriot Act (Code Pink sent out a message - which my mom gets - that the revised PA, as written, would make peaceful protesting punishable by prison time), warrantless searches of US citizens, torture camps overseas, cult of personality of the leader (think Hitler - sorry, I know that comparison is controversial, but the cult of personality is certainly applicable), unlimited power of the executive, end to the right of privacy (when Roe v. Wade is overturned)...

and it just goes on and on...

.. could spell fascist if he had a dictionary in front of him.

Bush is merely a stooge, a tool whose numerous personality defects make him the perfect dupe.

All that's left is for them to shut the opposition up permanently.

little notice by most American people.

Poor saps think it's all about abortion, when it's really about handing over this country to a fascist agenda.

The son of a bitch really thinks he belongs to a privileged class. He's seen his daddy and his daddy's oil buddies and CIA connections get away with murder, so he just does whatever he wants with the finesse of a bull rhino.

But, now that he has to explain himself, he's going to do exactly what Reagan did. Cite executive privilege. Well, it's a new slant. He's citing national security. And Alito is going to let him have his way. All because the boy king has never found a higher source to hold him accountable for his actions. He just keeps changing the rules.

I saw with Bush coming into office. But no one else I know, except those here on DU, thought similar.

It terrifies me more and more each day.

but that is definitely where we are. The obsession with corporate 'freedom' and dominance is clear whatever word they use to describe it, as well is their obsession with totalitarian power for the president. They'd never call the unitary executive a dictator, even though that is what it is.

He wants to be Roman, not American.

we do?

I'm not prepared to just bend over and kiss my ass goodbye yet.

Olafr

property. Got outbid. The search continues.

For everyone, I recommend gardening. Get some skills for when our shit ass economy implodes.

Olafr

n/t

With the authorizing vote in the Senate today to enact cloture in the debate over Samuel Alito, 230 years of democarcy on this continent came to a screeching halt. At approximately 4:45pm today I was violently tossed against the wall in my living room as the long running wheels of freedom in America ground to a sudden, screeching stop. With my shoulder bruised in the ensuing tumble, I stumbled outside and collapsed on my front lawn where I lay, weeping for my country. I wanted to run and never stop. Run until I was as far away from the storm I could hear brewing on the other side of the hills as was physically possible. Run until I collapsed from exhaustion! Run in terror! But a horrible aching sense of desperation had taken over my mind.......America, land of the free, is no more. I became desperate, my breathing and heartrate increasing exponentially until I believed my poor heart would literally explode from my chest and take off by itself, leaving the rest of the body to fend for itself. After a few minutes of laying there in sheer emotional agony, I dragged my weary corpse back inside my apartment where I wait for the sound of bootsteps in the hallway and the inevitable knock on my door.



http://www.comearmageddon.blogspot.com/

I sort of feel like that...
Olafr

Cheney tells him to.

I am clearly taking crazy pills today.

want, is a Landed Gentry, complete with serfs and semi-slaves.

I believe they feel that the only people worth anything, are those that have wealth, whether that wealth is self procured or inherited means little, it is all about how much a person owns

The assaults on the Middle Class have been unyielding, and the Poor have simply slipped off the radar completely. bush and his neo-con friends are looking to some form of semi-monarchy, with a permanent group of those that will write the rules for everyone else, and drag us back into the Dark Ages. The whole thing is based on greed and those of us that work, will work for the Lords and Ladies of the Manors.

The people that actually support bush, can be equated to Tories in the 18th Century. They WANT someone to tell them what to do. WE, the people of thought and progress, are akin to those who fought at Lexington, Concord and Breed's Hill. WE are the enlightened, staving off the darkness, not for ourselves, but for the nation as a whole.

What I found astounding, is that bush and his cabal have ANY support from those that truly work for a living! How can any citizen look at the dramatic rise in corporate profits and not understand that they are being raked over the coals, while the CEO's/CFO's etc are reaping immense profit at the labor of the common men and women of this nation?

We will prevail...but we need to get the fire in the belly attitude that promotes change. Every one of us should be reminding people that this administration is destroying not just the country they know, but the very ability for one to make a living in this nation and stay above the pace of merely treading water. people vote primarily with their wallets, and what is lacking, is the ability for Americans of every stripe below the rich, to afford to live in this nation. "Barely getting by" and "living from paycheck to paycheck" while the rich cavort all over the planet is a point we should be making to those who support this Imperial Regime. The vast majority of Americans are not better off, they are dangling from the edge of disaster.

without the oratorial ability.

But.. If you are speaking to people who still believe in evil spirits and witches, who still believe in fables from the dark ages, what you get is burning books and Goody Osbourn, what you still get is people who are so disconnected from science that they can't be comfortable unless someone tells them what to do. How sad, How pathetic. I wonder if it is just too much for people programmed in our disconnected society to accept the universe as unknowable.
Is there a higher power?
Does life actually have any meaning?
Are we just an accident?
Most people simply can't accept the fact that we just don't know, so they will allow someone who seems to know, who acts like they know, the leadership role. Please, someone, help me! Tell me what to do!
Pathetic little sheep.

Roll a snowball down the right snow covered hill and you get a giant boulder that crushes the whole town. Everything I have predicted about these evil GOP bitches and bastards has come true in spades. We have been checkmated. Alito is the final piece in the rightwing media controlled puzzle. We will not come out of this fascist mess in my lifetime. I am sure. (I`m 49) My soon to be 6 year old son will have a hard time of it. When he learns all this patriotic bullcrap they indoctrinate him with at school is just that. Bullcrap. And he will learn because he is a smart kid who loves to read. As a matter of fact he is reading right now. Yes, I see hard times ahead too. I wish I could get my wife to let us move to another country so I did not have to witness my beloved country`s destruction first hand. But alas I am stuck here. And will fight the best I can a battle I believe cannot be won until I`ve been dead for many years.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

Fascist Police State. The Corp Media is complicit and the majority of Amerikans sheepishly go along.

Nazi Germany was very different from other totalitarian, even brutal, regimes, such as Stalin's Soviet Union, Mao's China, etc.

What the Nazis wanted was the cooperation and approval of the German people (other than, of course, the Jews, the "Communists," the homosexuals, etc.) So, they identified the "good Germans," mostly, but not all, "Aryans" and spoke to them, alone.

Anti-Semitism was nothing new in Germany; the Nazis only played on the German people's fear. (Sound familiar?) There was the meme of the so-called "International Jewry" who were in league with Communist Soviet Union (never mind that Stalin persecuted Jews, too).

To do that, they had to convince ordinary Germans that their friends, neighbors, doctors. dentists, and so on were enemies of the state. It was a slow process, and certainly nobody mentioned death camps. In fact, the death camps didn't really exist until the war started, although many people certainly died in concentration camps like Dachau.

It can't happen here? No, I don't think we'll see massive gas chambers and crematoria. But, in Nazi Germany, most of the camps were outside of Germany, so the "good Germans" didn't have to face reality.

Abu Gharib. Gitmo. Those camps somewhere in Europe. Today, it's those "suspected of terrorism" or in the case of Iraq, "insurgency." Tomorrow?

One of the major benchmarks of a totalitarian state is control over the people. That control can be by propoganda/persuasion, fear, or outright threats. And all totalitarian states spy on their own people, in differing degrees. With the technology today, that degree can be almost total.

Another benchmark is the glorification, even deification, of a leader. The statues and pictures of Lenin, later Stalin, all over the place. Same thing with Mao. With Hitler, it took a new turn. It's fair to say that most people in the Soviet Union and Mao's China put up their little altars out of fear. But many, many Germans bought into what Hitler was selling. Why? Because he played to their fears, and their patriotism. But that's not the whole story. He never told them his full plan.

And here's the crux of it: we can say, and it's certainly true of some, even most, of those Germans, that they simply chose not to see. But I can see the parallels in our country today. To the point where I wonder, if the day comes when "enemies of the state," that is, anyone disagreeing with this bunch, are rounded up, would "ordinary Americans" protest? I'm not talking about Freepers and other wackos, I'm talking about he salt of the earth...your people who go to church, work hard, give to charity, etc.

So, what do we do? Part of the problem in Nazi Germany was that the "intelligensia" either didn't speak out at all, or didn't speak loud enough. Or, possibly, when they did speak, they talked down to the very people they were trying to educate. ("Sheeple," anyone? Folks, this is not the way to win hearts and minds.)

We have a big job to do if we're to save our country. And yes, I believe it can be saved. But it takes work, at the local level. Remember, a lot of people in the "heartland" either don't have Internet access, or if they do, don't read blogs or DU. It will take people on the ground, and not only during a political campaign. It will take us talking to our friends and neighbors, having conversations, not arguments. Listening as well as speaking. Honoring their values, even if we disagree with some of them.

Let's not get to the day where people are yelling "Heil Bush!"

when their chosen figurehead, Smedley Butler, exposed the plot.

Obviously, Bush is no Smedley Butler.

n/t

Don't give the idiot credit for orchestrating anything so complicated. As others have noted, he's a pawn.

The fascist forces in this country have been alive and well since the inception of the ideas behind fascism, before it had a name even. They took some beatings in the early 20th century, but they have been patient and purposeful in their move in that direction. Those forces have reached a critical point, and Bush just happens to be at the helm during it, helping them along in his own idiotic way.

just blinded by thier ideology.

America now doesnt even remotely look like the America that we had under Clinton.

If I'm going nuts, I guess alot of other people are going nuts along with me.

i feel like the hounds of hell were let loose when * was elected.

on edit: SELECTED, not 'elected'.

These are scarry times. We have so many weak democrats, and too many republicans, who though they may know that what Bush is doing is wrong, they will hang with the party instead of upholding the constitution, as they have sworn to do. It's really a sad state of affairs. :scared: :cry: :cry:
What did we do to make God so mad, that "he sent George Bush."

and it's going to get worse.

He has stated things would be much easier if he were dictator... and I truly believe the feels he should have every right to act as one.

NSA spying - Bush's attitude "It's not illegal if I do it!"
McCain's Torture Addendum - Bush's Signing Statement "I can do it if I want!"

Yeah... its creeping facism... When I first heard Malloy going insane saying this I thought "Whoa! He's nuts!" But Mike is absolutely right...

The people who are really in charge (PNAC, Carlyle Group, big corporations, etc.) are the ones taking us down the road of facism.

I just finished reading Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, and it really opened my eyes to what exactly is going on in the world. Corporatocracy (big banks, corporations and governments) is the word John Perkins uses.

Shrub wants to create the American Taliban.

Personally I think he is beholden to both (big corporate and big finance as well as the radicalized religious right). I think when the interests of the two groups are in conflice he will always side with the former ($$$) - and that he uses/pandders to the latter thbornagain) to have the power to push the interests of the former. I think he is moving us towards fascism with the talibornagain as a vehicle - and thus just as real a component of what is morphed out as the New America on the otherside of the Bush era.

Do I think he knows what he is doing, I am not so certain - I think that he is well manipulated (due to sycophants playing up to his megalomania), well manipulated is a bad word as in it suggests one is being moved unknowingly against ones will - and I think he is doing it willingly and happily - I just don't think he is savvy enough on all the policy sides to be directing it all.

The business of business is business.

The business of religion is guilt, power and a air conditioned house for your dog. Hypocrisy comes to mind.

It wouldn't suprise me one bit.

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