Mad cow disease in US? What do you think?

What Bush appointee is responsible for it? That would be FDA?

Or pressured somebody else to put a lid on it.

and the Japanese have banned US beef. It makes you wonder.

Governor of the great state of Nebraska. He's just about as skanky as one man can be, a total tool of the meat industry. He fancies himself a onetime dairy farmer but I've seen the mans hands and I'd bet my lunch he's never seen a days work in his lilly white life.

rubber stamped "Quicky Death Certificates"

was the cause of death really, Alzheimer's.... :hide:

"This was all just a coincidence."

http://www.organicconsumers.org/madcow/nj1704.cfm

But that's true--that's EXACTLY what he'd say.

Which would mean the opposite of what he said is true.

and their top notch team of investigative reporters also claim there is no mad cow in NJ...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,116597,00.html

So you know the official version of the story has to be true ;)

USDA has made sure that it's testing regime won't find mad cow, and any farmer who turns in a real case is asking for one thing: his entire herd will be killed.

That said, the U.S. cattle herd is widespread, not confined as in most of Europe, where BSE cases are in the tens of thousands. Plus, we had the warning and at least passed some sort of feed ban to keep most infective parts out of feed. It still has huge loopholes, but they are fairly low risk.

As far as danger to humans goes, it's not very dangerous unless you like brains n eggs (which they actually used to eat in England). Another dangerous food is frozen beef patties, particularly that garbage sold by companies like On-Cor soaked in gravy. That meat is from mechanically reclaimed meat, which is scraped off the spine after the good stuff is cut away. It tastes terrible (hence the gravy) and it is shot full of spinal material.

USDA has been playing with fire for years, trying to cover up the disease. So far, beef consumption hasn't changed at all (it actually went up after the first bse case) but the industry worries that it could end up like England, where people avoided beef for years.

with a wink and a nod.

Here's a nice article that ties it together but there's plenty out there on the subject. http://www.rense.com/general7/anims.htm

Did you know it's still perfectly legal to feed cows blood to cows?

ground beef. The ground beeg gets other stuff mixed in with it, but a slab of steak or a roast could hardly be contaminated with spinal material.

Every study involving autopsying the brains of "Alzheimers Victims"
has found that a significant percentage did NOT have Alzheimers;
they had some form of HSE which had gone undiagnosed.

Even at the LOWEST percentage, this adds up to THOUSANDS
of Americans dying from this every year.

you don't even know what alzheimer's is, do you, just be glad it isn't in your family or you would be aware that there is no real way to confuse the two, mad cow kills in months, alzheimer's takes years or decades

And you are a bit misinformed about there being
"no real way to confuse the two" and "mad cow kills in months".

Some forms of TSE do present clear symptoms and move quickly,
but others kill very slowly and, as seen in this study, are misdiagnosed.

Anyway here's a link to the paper, written by
Francois Boller, MD, PhD; Oscar L. Lopez, MD; and John Moossy, MD
at the University of Pittsburgh:
http://www.organicconsumers.org/madcow/boller89.cfm

And a brief quote:
"The three cases with autopsy findings of CJD
had a much longer course than is usually seen with that condition
and failed to show the usual EEG abnormalities."

I hope you find this useful.

inform yourself a bit further before you fly off the handle like that.

http://www.mad-cow.org/~tom/Alzheimer_cjd.html

A clinical series with 13% of Alzheimer actually CJD
Manuelidis, Elias E. and Laura Manuelidis
Alzheimer Disease and Associated Disorders_ 3 (1989): 100-109
Suggested Links between Different Types of Dementias: Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Alzheimer Disease, and Retroviral CNS Infections
"In our own neuropathological material, in 46 cases diagnosed clinically as AD <(Alzheimer's)>, 6 cases were proven to be CJD at autopsy <13%}." [br />
http://www.sourcewatch.org/wiki.phtml?title=Creutzfeldt-Jakob_Disease
CJD and Alzheimer's Disease
Other studies have challenged the assumption that sporadic CJD is a rare, "one in a million" occurrence. In 1989, a Yale University team performed autopsies on the brains of patients diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease and found that 13 percent had CJD. A similar investigation found three of 12 patients diagnosed with Alzheimer's to actually have a TSE disease. A larger University of Pittsburg study "found a misdiagnosis rate of 5 percent, and estimated there may be 200,000 cases of CJD in the U.S. each year which are misdiagnosed as Alzheimer's."<7> (http://www.vegsource.com/articles/bse_editorial.htm)<8> (http://www.organicconsumers.org/madcow/andrew1804.cfm)<9> (http://www.cyber-dyne.com/~tom/Alzheimer_cjd.html)


http://www.mad-cow.org/~tom/alz_cjd.html
If there was to be an increase in the incidence of nvCJD in the elderly then, based on established autopsy rates for patients with these types of clinical features, it is highly unlikely that it would be detected until it competed with the incidence of vascular disease, Alzheimer's disease or Lewy body disease. As CJD is such a rare disease you could have a large relative increase in its incidence, for example if there was to be BSE transmission, and still not detect it with established rates for neuropathological autopsies in this section of the population. I suspect that this is also the case in most other countries, however this is only a hunch as I have not looked for similar published evidence from the US or other countries.


http://www.zarcrom.com/users/alzheimers/odem/cjd1.html
What Is It?

Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) is a horrendous fatal brain-deteriorating disease for which there is no treatment or cure. Most scientists believe CJD is caused by a prion, which is an abnormal isoform of a host-encoded protein (a protien based molecule with no RNA or DNA). While there are many forms of CJD, recently, an atypical form, labeled nvCJD or new variant CJD, was discovered which appears to be more closely related to the clinical and pathological correlates of Kuru (Kuru was discovered in New Guinea and is said to be caused by canabilism rituals). nvCJD has been related to bovine spongiform encephalopathy or as it is more commonly called, Mad Cow Disease (as of yet, not found in the United States). The incubation period for CJD was thought to be decades, however, recent clinical presentations have shown it could be much less.


Who Get's It and How?

Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease affects both men and women worldwide usually between the ages of 50 to 75 years. The officially stated mortality rate is one to two deaths per one million population per year. However, this figure appears to be an understatement as CJD is often misdiagnosed. In one study by Yale University researchers 13% of Alzheimer patients were found upon autopsy to actually have CJD. A similar study performed at the University of Pittsburgh showed over 5% of Alzheimer's patients were CJD victims. There are three forms of CJD: familial (genetic, about 10-15% of cases), sporadic (cause unknown, about 80-85% of cases) and iatrogenic (through a medical procedure such as contaminated cadaver-derived growth hormones (GH), dura mater recipients, use of contaminated surgical instruments, and corneal transplant recipients, about 1% of cases)

You might have been a bit too harsh.

Obviosly, we are responding to an overtly emotional reaction.

Might it be more useful to DISREGARD the emotional attacks,
and simply provide links to the FACTS in a friendly way?

I felt abit insulted by the TONE of the response to my post,
but I also noticed that the tone came from the posters life experience.

On my end, slack is being cut.

and people who do that just keep doing it till someone calls them on it. Think of it this way, good-cop bad-cop, I'm sure one of us got through.

forcing people to register their animals with National Animal Identification System,
but big surprise, the link doesn't work any more.

More rights being lost. Imagine that. Here's a couple paragraphs and a link to the
cache:

"The USDA plans to make every owner of even one horse, cow, pig, goat, sheep, chicken, or pigeon register in a government database and subject their property and animals to constant federal and state government surveillance, and the animal owner will have to PAY for the privilege of owning animals!

<snip>

The National Animal Identification System (NAIS) is a national program to identify and track livestock animals, including poultry, horses, cattle, goats and sheep for the purpose of disease containment. NAIS plans to use RFID and GPS technology to track animals, and requires every farm or “premises” be registered with government agencies, even if that premises houses a single animal. While NAIS’s purported goal of disease containment appears to be beneficial, the requirement for American citizens to register privately-owned property for tracking and monitoring purposes has very serious implications for our privacy, rights and freedoms.

StopAnimalID.org is the online manifestation of a grass roots refusal to submit to the latest grasping for control of what was once a government of We The People, but has now become a government of Them, The Agri-Conglomerates. This website is a means for like-minded individuals to band together and discover they are not alone in opposing this abuse of privacy and property rights.

Our agenda, perhaps obviously enough, is to stop the National Animal Identification System. We hope to do this by first raising awareness among the public. To do this we will compile a wealth of data regarding the NAIS in an easy to peruse format online. We will also provide printable materials to put the basics of this issue and what it means into places where it will count most, such as feedstores, farm supply stores, farm auctions, etc..."

Who's next?

Edit to add link.

http://cc.msnscache.com/cache.aspx?q=2812207494109&lang=en-US&mkt=en-US&FORM=CVRE

the legislation i saw in august was for all owners of even one animal, even if it's just one parakeet, exception being made for cat and dog owners

i hope the legislation has been rewritten to fix the bad language but i have not heard that it was fixed

I'm about as carnivorous as humans can get, but ever since I've read last week or the week before that there's cow spines in our beef, I've given up on eating it. I'll never again eat beef here in the US.

i think every cow should be tested, but if there was any measurable amount mad cow, we'd have teen boys dropping dead all over the place just like in britain in the 80s, there may be an incubation period but it is clearly not v. long for young people

we'd know

there are bigger issues

this is really abt trade wars between different countries and scrambling for market share, the beef we can't sell to japan someone else will sell to japan, the beef canada can't sell to us we'll still get our beef from somebody

it's a trade war thing and we're just being whipped up into hysteria for benefit of the players

and given all the hype about people in their 40's with early-onset Alzheimers... hmmm.

It may make you feel better to tell yourself it's not out there but it is.



http://www.hsus.org/farm_animals/farm_animals_news/testing_alone.html">Testing Alone Can't Protect Us from Mad Cow Disease; Urge the USDA to Make the Downer Ban Permanent
In November 2004, federal officials found themselves staring at a pair of inconclusive test results for mad cow disease after examining a dead cow who turned up at a pet food processing plant in Texas. The cow wasn't dead when she was first loaded for transport—she was then a downer, an animal too sick or injured to walk—but had died in transit to the slaughterhouse for processing for the human food supply. Because the cow was dead, however, the animal was transferred to a pet food plant in Waco.

That's when officials with the U.S. Department of Agriculture tested the animal for mad cow disease, which proved inconclusive. Officials then applied a test that they consider the "gold standard" for determining bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), or mad cow disease, in cattle; it came back negative. Satisfied, the USDA went about its business again—until, more than six months later, the agency's inspector general Phyllis Fong decided to have the cow retested using a more robust test known as the "Western blot." The animal tested positive for mad cow disease. A couple of weeks later, a British lab confirmed the Western blot results. <snip>

OK lets take that thought and also consider the information below. New strais of BSE are showing up all the time and in SEEMINGLY HEALTHY animals. Seemingly healthy animals are not tested here. Some information shows variants of CJD, vCJD and sCJD can have unkown incubations from a few months to 30+ years.



http://www.sourcewatch.org/wiki.phtml?title=Creutzfeldt-Jakob_Disease

Sporadic CJD from TSE-infected Meat?
In February 2004, Italian researchers published a study that identified "a novel form of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (mad cow disease) in two seemingly healthy cows." The "molecular signature of the newly discovered strain, combined with its corresponding brain deposition and disease pathology bear striking similarities to sporadic Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (sCJD) in humans."<4> (http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20040218/01/) The results suggest that there may be more than one "strain" of prion that causes BSE in cows. Moreover, it raises the possibility (but does not prove) that some cases of sporadic CJD in humans might be due to prion-infected meat.<5> (http://www.organicconsumers.org/madcow/mad-cow-new-strain.cfm)

...I have no idea where you are getting your "information" from, but you are woefully mis-informed....

Mad Cow occurs in about one per million cows NATURALLY. There are at least 36 million head of cattle in the U.S. Do the math, that means that statistically there are a MINIMUM of 36 'mad' cows RIGHT NOW in the U.S.

The biggest issue is keeping them OUT of the food chain, and with the 'meat-recovery' systems currently being used whereby spinal tissue and brain matter get mixed in, there is no way in hell that the meat supply has not been tainted.

There have been studies done that show that a huge number of Alzheimer's and dementia cases were MIS-DIAGNOSED, and were actually the human variant of Mad Cow.

It is here, it has been here for a while, you need to ask why your government why it has been lying to you....

http://www.madcowboy.com/01_BookOV.000.html written by a fourth generation cattle rancher.


All of the things that were going on to spread the disease are STILL going on with a wink and a nod from the government. I live in the HEART of cow country and I see and hear about this crap first hand. Why do you think Bushie boy selected an ignorant yes man dairy farmer from Nebraska to run the department of agriculture? He'll do what he's damn well told, that's why. Johanns could give a rats ass about you as long as the beef keeps moving. Hell, even if your burger doesn't have BSE it still has lots of other ways to kill you. All commercial ground beef contains traces of fecal matter, that's where your garden variety E.coli and food poisoning come from.

Here's a nice little PDF from the beef industry ADMITTING they have a huge problem with spinal tissue in ground beef due to advanced meat recovery. http://www.beef.org/uDocs/amrreport.pdf

Just for fun here's advanced meat recovery, clarified. http://www.organicconsumers.org/madcow/stripper11904.cfm
Or if you prefer, here. http://experts.about.com/e/a/ad/Advanced_meat_recovery.htm

catch the bit at the end of the last one? If you see mechanically separated (insert dead animal name) that means there's even more bone and spinal tissue in it than the ground product. Yum yum.

According to the American Meat institute, who wants you to feel all warm and fuzzy about Advanced Meat Recovery, 45 MILLION pounds of it are consumed in the US each year.

What's going on in the US is like a bad re-run of those years. Believe me, the denials we're seeing are part of the Tombstone Mentality. NOTHING will be done until enough people die that a public fuss is made. There's too much $$ at stake in the meantime.

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Or did you just out yourself?

:sarcasm:

I thought you were an...undercover freeper.

how else would you explain Ann Coulter or Michele Malkin? :evilgrin:

:shrug: :P

:(

Problem is, if there is contaminated beef anywhere with mad cow, it can get into everything else.

it is in the food they give them! And then, you buy them and eat them. :puke: (note not ALL chickens are fed this - call up the manufacturer of the chicken and ask them what the hell they are feeding the chickens!)

Can we win for shit? :shrug: :grr:

An acquaintance said a family member died recently in Idaho. The hospital had many people around, asking questions, running tests because it was thought the deceased died of mad cow disease. Believe me, the state of Idaho would do anything to keep that info out of the public eye.

diseases like it are monitored and such by USDA, and the individual state depts of ag.

We have no idea how many have died and I don't expect to find out for some time. The meat lobby is HUGE and very, very powerful.