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holdyourbreath Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 03:02 PM
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A story to undo ALL Bush's support...with a little help from the top.
Edited on Sun Feb-05-06 03:26 PM by holdyourbreath
This story may be long (70 pages if printed double-spaced), but it's highly readable and entertaining. Proof: my non-reading neighbor who voted for Bush and didn't even know who Rumsfeld is, not only managed to read it all the way through and praise it for how funny it is, but said she wouldn't have voted for Bush if she had read it first.

B.B. King's former PR manager called it "brilliant" and is pulling strings to get it published. All it would take is for Air America and Jon Stewart to plug it and the rest would take care of itself. (Stewart and AA are among many of the pundits who appear in it.)

Kerry fans, sorry this spanks him 1/10 as much as Bush and the Republicans, but that's what will give it credibility, and it'll make the healing process easier if the Righties aren't the only ones wiping egg off of their faces. (Clarkies, hold on to your socks!...but, please, refrain from saying I told you so ;))

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSwitch/

since yahoogroups seems to have hiccups much, I set up theswitch11@yahoo.com. PW is: sagans. feel free to get it. nothing else in there.
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 03:11 PM
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1. Any other links to the text in its entirety?
Part II is unavailable...
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holdyourbreath Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 03:19 PM
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4. I'm confused...
why do you say Part II is unavailable? I just checked, it's there.
and I don't understand why you ask of other links to text in entirety. ...I'm very computer stupid.
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 03:20 PM
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5. When I click on "Part II"
Edited on Sun Feb-05-06 03:25 PM by Kierkegaard
this is what I get: "The message you requested is temporarily unavailable because this group has exceeded its download limit. Please try again later."

Additionally, is there a complete version somewhere(one file, not 4 separate parts.)
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holdyourbreath Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 03:26 PM
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8. here:"
since yahoogroups seems to have hiccups much, I set up theswitch11@yahoo.com. PW is: sagans. feel free to get it. nothing else in there.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 03:18 PM
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2. it won't let me open the first part - says downloads have been exceeded?
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holdyourbreath Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 03:26 PM
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9. here:
since yahoogroups seems to have hiccups much, I set up theswitch11@yahoo.com. PW is: sagans. feel free to get it. nothing else in there.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 03:18 PM
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3. Bullshit. You base it in RW mediaspin so you've already lost credibility.
Edited on Sun Feb-05-06 03:24 PM by blm
the wiser heads in the Clark supporters group know damn well that the media was prepared to attack any Dem in 2004, including Clark.

Are you under the impression that Clark or any other Dem controls the editting rooms of the news networks?

Guess all that you said you learned the first time you pulled this wasn't exactly accurate, eh?

Thank undergod Clark isn't so naive - he knows what the press will do to him and he's taking the time to study the best way to combat it. Terry MacAuliffe's infrastructure helped NO DEMOCRAT the last 10 years.
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holdyourbreath Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 03:21 PM
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6. what media spin are your referring to please?
I'm well aware media was prepared to attack Clark; don't see your point. (the story addresses some of that bullshit).

not under any such impression. as you'll see, the point of the story is to counter that BS.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 03:31 PM
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11. The point is that NO DEM DEFENSE was going to get airtime from
the corporate media. Go check out the research forum and see how the media completely muted the work Kerry did to expose and counter the swiftliars.

You have no clue about Kerry or his 35 years of public service to this country. Thankfully, Clark does and would never be such a liar to run Kerry down the way you do. So childishly, too.

By the way, try naming ONE lawmaker (or serviceperson) who investigated and exposed more government corruption than John Kerry has in the last 35 years THEN try to "spank" him from your supposedly superior perch.
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holdyourbreath Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 04:01 PM
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14. do you or do you not stand by Kerry's "knowing what I know now" stance?
name one instance where I've lied.

Do you think the way I've run down Bush is childish? (It's called a comedic literary device and, again, the psychology, besides entertainment value, is that it shows the readers on the right that I'm fair and non-partisan.
Just because there are indeed good parts of Kerry's record, doesn't mean he gets a free pass for other BS--ESPECIALLY FOR BEING PARTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WAR! ...please, acknowledge or refute that point.

...and tell me why the likes of Howard Zinn and Nader also are so displeased with the man.

and why is it so hard to grasp that Clark's record is very easy to encapsulate for the average person so he'll be virtually impervious to rightwing media BS when these folks here WP valedictorian endorsed by 55 ambassadors, etc.

...okay, okay, I'll tell that PR person I mentioned to just stop calling her contacts about getting this published and hope that holding my breath for 3 more years will fix Iraq and the economy.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 04:25 PM
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15. Ignore
Things are not as they seem - if you get my drift, blm. This visit probably won't last long.
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CarolNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 03:25 PM
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7. Please, I beg you, stop this!
I asked you kindly under your old screen name and I ask you again now...This helps no one, OK? Find some 2006 campaigns to work on, OK? That will serve a much better purpose.

Be well, Carol
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holdyourbreath Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 03:27 PM
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10. all due respect, the proof we can't survive that long is irrefutable.
...and the harm in this is...?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 03:44 PM
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12. The harm is that it's ignorant and seeks to undermine one of the brightest
Democrats in modern history just to promote someone else on the national stage and I am quite certain that Gen. Clark would not appreciate the way you choose to go about it.

Clark has integrity. This piece of crap fantasy piece has NONE.
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holdyourbreath Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 03:54 PM
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13. if you can give me an actual reason, I'll consider, however,
I'm not lying when I said that a Clarkie mother of a soldier in Iraq said she was honored to have read it. So why should I consider it crap when you're the only person I've heard bad stuff from about it? Even the person behind citizens for legit. gov loved it.

and I'm confused by what you write above: Who is it undermining? Kerry? Indeed. Surely, though, you can't be referring to him since he's far from one of the brightest, as my story PROVES. Why would Wes not approve? Do the Repubs and Bush NOT deserve to be admonished the way this does that? Are my criticisms of Dems not accurate or justified? Does that not give it credibility to admonish both sides when called for?
Seriously, we're on the same side, but I can't take your words to heart until you demonstrate your point.

P.S. You may have caught the piece I wrote the night that Clark withdrew: the letter to Kerry imploring him to withdraw. The one that I posted on the clark and Kerry yahoogroups and bluffed to be a full page ad in the NY Times and everyone went ape on me, saying I was either crazy or a repub indisguise. ....did history not prove me right? Did the NY Village Voice propose that Kerry withdraw 4 months AFTER I did?

so, again, what's wrong with a story that will get Bush supporters to concede he needs to leave? ...and that Wes needs to step in? ....especially since it will please such folks immensely to see Kerry get his.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 04:30 PM
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16. "Clarkies, hold on to your socks!."
Why not take your sock off and show your true face? Do you really think Kerry supporters are stupid enough to buy into this? Like their leader, they are intelligent people. Give it up already.
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holdyourbreath Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 03:00 PM
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17. why is it so hard for anyone to address the inconsistency of
Kerry saying the "knowing what he'd know" remark? Intellectually honest debate requires that.
you know, when I posted a similar thing a while back anonymously, folks said I didn't have the guts to use my real name. Then when I put my name on it they said I was just trying to get attention.

I guess you made my case: they're not intelligent enough to actually address the points I've raised.
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