The Dem's missed a major opportunity and leave it to

the business Channel to point this out...

Ron Insana, a very good reporter who actually does research and asks the tough questions, wonder why Senator Kent Conrad the ranking minority member on the Budget committee, and his colleagues didn't prepare an alternative budget to the one Bush produced today...

The only answer he had was that the GOP controls everything...

Well....

Your point senator.....

An opposition party that always react to what the majority party does, is doomed to stay forever in the minority...

Why didn't the Dem's produce an alternative budget...

That would have been a wonderful tool to use against the GOP in the fall...

Why didn't the Dem's produce an alternative budget....

Are they so timid and shell shocked that it never occurred to them to provide the American public with a clear alternative....

Why didn't the Dem's produce an alternative budget....

Are they frightened of the prospects of alienating potential donors....

Why didn't the Dem's produce an alternative budget....

It seems to me the GOP has done this in the past when they were in the minority....

So why didn't the Dem's produce an alternative budget....

What's a voter to do?

Hmmmmm??????

I have on several occassions... I was building toward an office I could win and then fell ill...

People need to get invovled, run at the local level and get in the process....

...Hatch Act and all that stuff....

(you KNOW that)

:)

:hi:

We should get together for coffee again.

I have been real busy with Peter Sikora's campaign for the Ohio Supreme Court...

It's been a while since I was invovled at this level on a statewide campaign....

Being an ex Republican, I have to say that the Dems seem to look a lot like chicken little. Maybe it is because many the analytical, money making, business/marketing oriented folks work for or are Repubs or visa versa if you please.

Please explain. Democrats are tough. You disagree?

My point and I believe that WCGreen's is that Dems seem to spend all their energies reacting, rather than preparing, planning, and acting at the appropriate time. Chicken little wasn't a chicken, if he was he wouldn't have tried to warn everyone he would have ducked and hidden. Chicken little reacted without thinking or evaluating properly.

You are correct...

I just wonder if the Dem's realize they are not only a minority party but also the opposition....

Why?

I have been up to my eyeballs in democratic politics and am again here in Ohio....

I am both part of the problem, cause I didn't speak loudly enough when I had the chance, and part of the frustrated public who wish to god they would just act like an opposition party....

On Edit...

I was also using Dem's as a tag for elected democrats....

But maybe I am seeing things wrong?

I was also reading about the DLC Head saying it is dangerous for dems. . . . and was commenting about the split personality of the democratic party. So I guess I am wondering myself if I am a dem or if the dlc is a dem. . . . Democrat seems to have a very fluid meaning these days and sometimes I AM one, and other times I want something better. . . but I am NOT a repub anymore no matter how I look at it, nor am I green, nor constitutional, maybe a bit libertarian sometimes. . . Okay?

whatever you call yourself.

I have an opinion and a concern and an agreement with WCGreen. I notice the you seem to type DEM or Democrat often as well, so calm down, you're sounding like a repub telling me I can't/shouldn't be vocal about my concerns and disagreements with the party. I call 'em as I see 'em, whether it pleases you or not.

right or wrong.

us to say and believe and feel until we are so demoralized that we do not go out and campaign or make any effort whatsoever to change things. So why should I spend hours trying to talk a group of national candidates into creating a message for America to win back the House when there is no point.

Thanks, you just made me want to give up.

... in the coconut?

Or was that.. frog in the blender and shake it all together?

Help! :crazy: I lost the words.

Well.. it must be getting late.. LOL!

with some...how sould I put it? people who do not bother to read anything all the way through or remember anything longer then five seconds. And these are people I am really trying to help in a way that will make life better for all of us.

I just think they need to start acting like they want to win....

Look, they held power for over forty years....

They were shell shocked for a long time after Newt pulled it off in 1994...

The dem's just have to be creative....

There are a lot of good folks in congress....

They just have to start acting like they WANT TO WIN!!!!!

doing anything more they are. I talked to someone who had to deal with the Repuke Machine in 1994 and she said it was horrible. Everyone one of those members are targeted and they know it, so it makes them way more timid then you think.

That is why it has and will continue to take some time to get those currently in Congress to really act up.

I find it just as annoying to have to explain a million times why a unified message will help people get elected when no one seems to get it!!! argh!!!

I ran for State Senate and all they were interested in was holding on to the seats they had...

To timid to try and work out a message that would resonate....

To frightened that they might lose their job...

Some people it makes throw caution to the wind but others it just makes them stick to what they know in fear of losing it all.

Dems, for themost part, look at politics as a vocation....

GOP'ers, because they have a great support netowrk, view political office as an avocation...

for the war. Make no mistake, this is a war and the stakes are higher than we imagine, so far only one side has shown up on the field.
Their re-election is not the objective! Changing the course of the country is all that matters and that will only be accomplished if they stand up and demand that the issues are addressed. Some will fall, for that is the way of war, and they did not hesitate to voted to send others to their deaths.
They are doing nothing (just like they did in the lead-up to the Great Depression) and will continue to do nothing as long as we let them.

Get a good night's sleep.

of reacting. If you now feel like giving up, you must've been barely hold on in the first place. Try Harder, think better, DEMAND more acting and less reacting, don't give up.

Get a good night's sleep.

Where are you coming from?

just frustrated.

Otherwise why post so negative? The American public has never been so turned off by the GOP before. I don't see a rationale for you being negative.

will help us take back congress and I am tired of it.


When you have to explain something 5 times then see something that just is bitching about Dems, it can be a bit upsetting.

IF I wanted to leave, why would I have even bothered coming to this site?

why stay? Just curious.

the wall with this refusal to comprehend something I keep saying.

Instead of telling me to stop feeling frustrated (or leave the party), how about letting me vent it harmlessly on here so I can get back to work trying to make life better by getting them elected rather then say something that would be rude to these people? Hmmm?

rather than the GOP. They are the ones in total control and have been for five years.

I was ranting that the these Dems who are NOT IN POWER NOT EVEN IN OFFICE are being stubborn about an effort to make them get into office.

And that the OP was seeming to say what you just said.

Please feel better soon, we need your energy! Thanks for all your hard work and tenacity! PEACE!

And then I had a laugh at a friend of mine saying something quite naughty that was also really dumb.

your recovery that is!

more babies.

That's the only explanation I can think of. Every Democratic site I frequent is pathetically obsessed with anti-Bush rather than strategizing how to win in the future. Bush is basically irrelevant after February 2008 so I guess we have a two-year strategy. Brilliant. I've been emphasizing for at least 18 months now that we need to all but ignore the GOP and come up with our own proposals. The Republicans thrive on inspiring fear and hate among angry white men; we need to cultivate support amongst thoughtful but conflicted white women who abandoned us due to national security concerns. Anger and negativity does nothing for us among that block. It's the classic case of being so obsessed with your opponents' playbook you have no clue it doesn't fit your personnel or needs at all.

On one prominent site a lead columnist actually wrote this a month or so ago, "We do stand for something. We stand against Bush." The sad and devastating part: he wasn't kidding.

What do we have left....

but Bush will not be an issue in 2008. I haven't been to sites that concentrate on him.

Maybe you can show us the sites to which you are referring?

Thanks.

be our best bet! At least here people are thinking, watching, planning, etc.