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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 10:13 PM
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A Very Good Reason To Get Worried (Seymour Hersh says)
Edited on Wed Feb-08-06 10:15 PM by Angry Girl
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A Very Good Reason To Get Worried
Seymour Hersh's Advice: Keep Your Second Passport Alive

....(referring to Bush's recent State of the Union speech) “It’s hallucinatory, of course,” said Hersh. “That speech was a little scary because, among other things, besides glossing over the mess in Iraq that’s pretty much intractable at this point, Bush also talks about regime change in Iran as opposed to simply slowing down the nuke process there — the nuclear weapons system that they seem to be building.”

Is there a logic to these regime change threats? Is National Intelligence Director John Negroponte really truly cross-his-heart concerned about Iran’s nuclear program or is he part of another mega-hoax? Are we about to be distracted by Weapons of Mass Destruction yet again?

“I’m doing reporting on it,” said Hersh. “If you want to get worried, that’s a very good reason to get worried. The future isn’t bright. It’s just not. We do have a president who thinks he has a mission. And it’s not clear how intelligence or other issues are going to matter.”

Iran is three times the size as Iraq. It has three times the population. Its military, unlike Iraq’s, wasn’t destroyed in a war and then saddled with a decade of economic sanctions. Iran is a functioning oil-based economy with serious ties to the global economy. Simply put, Iran is not Iraq. And yet, Hersh seems to be speculating that the Bush administration might be crazy enough to attack Iran.

Continued...
http://www.nathancallahan.com/hersh.html
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 10:18 PM
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1. "[he's]...speculating that [they] might be crazy enough to attack iran"
in fact, the BUSH ADMINISTRATION ITSELF is speculating that the bush administration might be crazy enough to attack iran.

i mean, where did hersh get that idea? from the shrubbies, of course....
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 10:19 PM
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2. Any and all negative talk from the neocons re: Iran
has scared the bejesus outta me since Day 1.
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 10:25 PM
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5. tho he's no bonaparte,
gwb may be pushing toward his St. Petersburg....
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:13 AM
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20. 'Our' St. Petersburg...
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LisaLynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 10:22 PM
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3. It's what most of us have fear all along ...
These people are nuts. They think God is on their side and they are divorced from reality. They will do anything.
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lady lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 10:24 PM
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4. Here's something a little weird and scary...
my 13-year-old daughter told me at dinner tonight that she dreamt last night that we were already at war with Iran. It had been going on for a long time and everybody accepted it.
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 10:28 PM
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6. gawd...
that's really enough to make ya cry....
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lady lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 10:35 PM
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8. It was very disconcerting that's for sure. n/t
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 10:35 PM
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7. I thought they were already conducting raids across the border
Besides, Hersh reported last year they would be attacking in summer of 2005. I guess they just might have....
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lady lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 10:56 PM
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10. I read that also about the raids.
It wouldn't surprise me.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 09:46 PM
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30. I was looking back thru old bookmarks today,
and found an article that stated there had been special forces in Iraq well before the official invasion.
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motocicleta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 10:36 PM
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9. no joke
My brother in law and I are going round and round on this daily: he thinks we'll be able to work this problem out without weapons, yet he convinces me that both sides have a ton to lose. For Bush, if he backs down to Iran wanting nuclear power, then we lose our credibility as a global police force, leading to situations like China deciding it would be a good time to repatriate Taiwan. For Ahdmenijad, if he backs down he will likely lose legitimacy in Iran. So how can either of these geniuses find a good way out of the rhetoric?

As we have seen in Iraq, the neocons don't need a good plan to do something stupid and violent they want to do: they just fix the facts around the policy.

And as for being scared if Iran gets the bomb: dude, Pakistan already has it, as well as nine (?) other countries. We already let the genie out of the frickin bottle. How much scarier is it for Iran to have it? Honestly, not that much worse. But I do expect that some arsehole from one of those ten countries is gonna do something terrible with the capability sooner or later though, which is why I'm not extra super scared by Iran. Why get MORE worried? It's just human nature to build scary things, and it's human nature to use them. The fact that we have gotten this far from the last use is surprising, but it won't last. Nukes don't scare me much, compared to all the persistent organic pollutants, mercury, and carbon dioxide we're pumping into the atmosphere.

So there, I said it. That's why I think we will invade Iran. Not for a good reason, but only so two small-penised little assholes can have a pissing contest. My only hope is that the Republicans in Congress will smell no chance at reelection if we invade, and will tell bushie to stick it. A slim hope, but it's all I've got.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 10:58 PM
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11. self-delete
Edited on Wed Feb-08-06 11:02 PM by Hissyspit
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 11:06 PM
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12. I don't have a passport. Should I get one?
A coworker of mine told me a while back that the US is nuts if they go to war with Iran. The US don't want to mess with Iran. I've been worried ever since he said that, you see, he's Iranian. I suspect he knows what Iran is capable of doing. :scared:
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 11:27 PM
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13. Right
so right :nuke:
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 11:28 PM
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14. Good Lord, yes.
Get one now while you still can. Just in case.
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nancyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 12:04 AM
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15. Good Lord, yes?
Assuming a person had a passport, where on earth would they go in order to be safe??? When we're discussing the possibility of a nuclear war, I'm not thinking there will be anywhere we can go. There would sure as heck be a whole lot of "collateral damage!" That means everyone on the face of the earth(just think of the shock and awe of hurling nukes all over the place),except for maybe Bush and his insane cronies stuck away in some bunker somewhere. Would this mean that they "WON"? Eliminate everybody once and for all? Nothing would surprise me anymore.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 08:26 AM
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16. Assuming things don't get quite THAT bad,
anyone who wants a passport but does not have one should get it now, while the paperwork and bureaucracy is still quite minimal.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 10:32 PM
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32. The lunatic end timers want this war to continue total destruction.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 09:59 AM
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17. I think they invented Suicide bombings....And yes, population is
about $80 million...Iraq had 24 million.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 10:25 AM
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18. No, it goes way back before the present gov't of Iran
There are occasional reports of the tactic of 'destroying oneself to take out some enemies' being used in various situations all through history, but in modern times, suicide bombing was widely seen in WWII (Japanese Kamikazes and 'torpedo subs'), Vietnam, the Cuban revolution (it's even in one scene in one of the Godfather movies), the Tamil Tigers, Lebanon, etc...

Iran certainly 'invent' it.
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passy Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 10:28 AM
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19. We have always been at war with Iraqinia.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 12:31 PM
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21. I'd like to hear from Hersh about secret Abu Ghraib photos again. nt
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 12:46 PM
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22. Well, it's the oil bourse, of course.
Slowing down Iran's nuclear capabilities wouldn't result in keeping the Iranian government from switching from the dollar to the Euro during the March 20 bourse...

...but regime change would, of course.

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 04:41 PM
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23. "might be crazy enough to attack Iran." uh, yeah. You bet he's crazy
enough. But, rest assured, those defenders of the Constitution, the Congress of the United States of America, will be there to fight the good fight. They'll authorize the use of force but add "but this time we really mean only in the case of an emergency and after all diplomatic efforts break down...really, we mean it."

That will be our great and grand salvation...honest.
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abbiehoff Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 05:01 PM
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24. Yeah, right. I feel better now.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 08:29 PM
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25. Must we really sit powerlessly by and watch
the warmonger at work again?

During times of foreign occup'tion, people have sometimes called for a gen'ral str'ke.

Like everyone just stops.

A different kinda protest.

Ritter's prediction re attacking Iran is beyond the beyond.

Our nation is already the only one that has struck with nuk's ever, ie WWII.

Boy do I not want that done in the name of my nation.

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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 08:57 PM
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26. Does anyone have or know anyone who has
a second passport and citizenship, other than Karl Rove? (German)
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 09:10 PM
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28. I know two different people who...
have Canadian plus US passports, and one woman who has British plus US passports.

All describe a horrendous fight to keep the "other" passport.

I would LOVE an Irish passport!
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 03:23 AM
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33. Fight with who, the Dept of State?
I just applied for a new one, as I haven't had one for years, having only traveled to south of the border for some time now.

It really gave me the creeps to have to deal with the guvment.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 09:09 PM
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27. And how are they going to do it?
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 09:43 PM
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29. Hey
Send Will Pitt over to GD: Politics. Maybe he can figure out why we are "weird." Maybe because our government is batshit crazy. I'm keeping an Iran fund open with cold hard cash in an undisclosed location. Easy access. Second passport? How do you get one of those? (I'm not sure that it would help once Bush starts WW3 by attacking Iran though)

Seymour Hersch is one of the best out there. I don't know WHAT but we need something to stop this-and protests in the streets aren't going to do it. If only we had some leaders that stood up to the madness instead of aiding and abetting by talking about what a threat Iran already is.
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