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xkenx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:38 AM
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Meet the old Soviet Union, meet the new Soviet Union
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 10:38 AM by xkenx
Jim Marcinkowski (Larry Johnson's and Valerie Plame's old CIA buddy), now running for Congress as a Dem. gave a speech last week which included this (plucked from Johnson's blog). See some resemblances here?
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We fought the Soviets and I fought the Soviets because they had a fatally flawed, intolerable system of government where (and think about this):

The government was always right and never apologized;

Any dissent was suppressed, ridiculed, banned or worse;

Secret prisons were denied and never acknowledged or spoken about;

The torture of captives (in Lubyanka) was condoned;

State incarceration was not subject to the checks and balances of a legal system;

Economic plans, like for oil, were established/determined in closed sessions between politicos, commissars and production managers, far outside public view, and where government claimed privilege in so doing;

Wages were set at the lowest common denominator, no matter what Bloc country you were in;

Government agents had access to your medical records, your library records, your telephone, and your e-mail.

A place where judicial power and judicial review were proclaimed concepts, but simply ignored in application;

Where criminal records of young adults were closed to all but the military;

Where a Constitution was a mere facade and ignored by state actors.

Any dissent, debate and protest were deemed unpatriotic;

The public media was bought, paid for, and provided by the state;

The military clandestinely and shamelessly influenced the national media and public opinion;

A place where wrong was declared right;

Where tapping a phone was like tapping a pencil;

Where lying was considered a patriotic skill;

The extraction of natural resources was paramount to any concern for the environment and the impact on the health of its people;

Where the use of “state secrets,” (those things embarrassing to the government) were confused with legitimate issues of “national security”;

A place where "secrecy" and "national security" were used to control debate;

Where legitimate secrecy, was subject to political use and abuse;

Where "legislators" were mere mouthpieces for and rubberstamps of whoever was in power;

Where you lived and died with the permission of the government;

A place where foreign policy was more important than domestic concerns;

Where fear was used as a political weapon and an acceptable means of control;

Where the best medical care was reserved for the influential;

Where wealth was concentrated in the top 5%;

A place where there was no middle class - just a small economic and political elite, and the working poor.
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:43 AM
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1. Thought the name was familiar
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 02:11 PM
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2. K&R n/t
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xkenx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:01 PM
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3. Huh?
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:17 PM
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5. Wesley Clark -boring?
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 04:15 PM by RubyDuby in GA
Wesley Clark, in Ga. anyway, was popular among Dems in the countryside and Dean in the cities. I was a Deaniac. The rural Georgians felt, surrounded by fundies and conservative lunatics, that the party needed a moderate face. I could understand their thought process, I didn't agree. Besides, Wes had no experience, "in my opinion," there was no there there.

On edit: actually DUer Berzerko, RubyDuby's hubby. She stays signed in on home computer. Oops.
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xkenx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:28 PM
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6. My post was not about Wes Clark
but since you bring him up, I'm surmising that you know little-to-nothing about the man, since you can't spell his name. So here's some commentary about Clark.

2008 is all about flipping a few red states into our column. Hillary certainly can't do it. Wes Clark is a progressive wolf in military uniform sheep's clothing. Many Republicans who didn't care for Bush, still couldn't vote for Kerry. Clark was the only Dem. they could consider. Clark has had more EXECUTIVE leadership roles than any Senator by virtue of his military commands where he had responsibility for the lives of hundreds of thousands of servicepeople and their dependents--the whole range of housing, education, training, healthcare, social services, sometimes in a dangerous spot. When Clark was Supreme Allied Commander Europe (Eisenhower's last military position), he had "Head-of-State" status, meaning that he dealt directly with prime ministers/presidents, not underlings. And Clark was virtually the only voice urging help for Rwanda. And Clark and Madeleine Albright were the ones who convinced Clinton to take action against the ethnic cleansing in the Balkans, where Clark carried out the military action w/o the loss of a single American life. In this he stood up to the Pentagon brass who wanted nothing to do with "saving Albanians." And it was Clark who served for more than 30 years AFTER getting shot up and winning hero medals in Vietnam, when he could have gone for the big bucks in private industry. Try Swift Boating this guy--the smackdown will be heard around the world. Clark is all about duty, honor, country. When Clark's American Dream/American Hero story gets out to middle America, watch how many red states flip. And the beauty of Wes Clark is that HE IS A REAL LIVE D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T, with a progressive agenda equal to anyone. See www.securingamerica.com
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:11 PM
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4. Yes,
there are many parallels between the U.S. and the former USSR. Also military spending (not to mention corporate giveaways) bankrupted the nation like it is ours. There was an obsession over sports, the olympic program, note massive corporate sponsorships of athletic programs, the Bodine sleds, the cost of producing one gold medal is obscene. Just a couple more parallels between the U.S. and the U.S.s.r.
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:16 PM
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7. Actually a post from BEZERKO, RubyDuby's hubby
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 04:49 PM by RubyDuby in GA
A hazard of having two DUers on one home computer.
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BEZERKO Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:46 PM
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9. Oops,
Did I do that?
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:30 PM
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8. Whew, I'm glad we don't have to live there...
Oh... wait a minute... damn.
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xkenx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 05:21 PM
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10. I actually hadn't thought too much about the parallels
until Marcinkowski's speech. I had been thinking more along the fascist lines. But now we have with the B*** administration elements of both evil societies we had to fight.
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"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me."
Martin Niemoller
(Niemoller was a Christian church leader and an ardent Hitler supporter until the Nazis decided they didn't like HIS church and wound up imprisoning him when he finally had the audacity to speak out)
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 05:44 PM
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11. Most folks think I'm totally nuts, but I've studied history and seen
this scenario played out too many times to have any delusions about what's coming. I just keep hoping it will old together long enough for me to finish preparing.
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