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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 09:59 AM
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LATimes editorial attacking Barbara Boxer!
And it seems pretty nasty.
Boxer's rebellion
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-ports26feb26,0,6772402.story?coll=la-news-comment-editorials

"No one can dispute that the UAE is a key ally, that the deal has been vetted by the Department of Homeland Security and that it would have no effect on government security operations at the six ports where Ports World would run terminals. The objections to the deal are more rooted in a general mistrust and lack of confidence in the Bush administration.
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One possible explanation is that the Cosco deal was heavily backed by a Democratic administration, while the Dubai Ports World deal is heavily backed by a Republican administration. But that would mean Boxer is working against the interests of her state in order to score cheap political points. She would never do such a thing. Would she?"
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 10:06 AM
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1. The LATimes? The one bought by the conservative Chicago Tribune?
Who saw that editorial coming?
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 11:00 AM
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8. another example of "boring from within"
I miss the old LA Times
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Nomen Tuum Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 11:55 AM
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17. MOre of the same BS from the Lies Angeles Times
Since the Chicago Fibune bought it, it acts more and more like the pre-Otis Chandler Times. It's gone back to being a right wing fascist rag that promotes "Industrial Freedom" (No Unions).
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 12:02 PM
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18. Exactly - and fascists are still buying up what's left of the independent
news organizations. They wormed into KnightRidder in 2000 and are now demanding it be sold off into small pieces to destroy its investigative bureau in DC.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 03:27 PM
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21. Their circulation is way down
maybe "management" thinks they can trash the paper, fire reporters (including thier Washington & people like Rober Sheer) spout of increasingly right wing garbage- and no one will notice.

Welp, people are. I know firsthand of several people who've dropped their subscriptions. Guess maybe they're banking on increased sales of their Orange County edition.

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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 10:21 AM
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2. There is a valid point in the editorial
Beware Dems for speaking hypocrisy. Valid. Doesn't mean security isn't an issue, but get your facts straight instead of a bunch of political grandstanding.
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 11:25 AM
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13. Why does hypocrisy work so well for Republicans? The thing that matters
here is that the masses hear ports and UAE in the same sentence. This causes a knee-jerk reaction. Ports+UAE=BAD. No security. We hammer on this all the way to the polls.
It's in our favor that handing over national security to a foreign government IS a bad idea.
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 10:23 AM
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3. No one can dispute? I sure as hell can.
"...vetted by Homeland Security...UAE is a key ally..." and the L.A. Times is a progressive rag with a massive socialist agenda...right.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 11:17 AM
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11. Homeland security couldn't...
vet its way out of a paper bag. I loved that "no one can dispute" crap.
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benny05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 10:25 AM
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4. My questions are these
1) Why were any of these port terminals allowed to be in foreign ownership?
2) Why aren't there any American businesses trying to make a counter-offer?
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 10:47 AM
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7. why are there so many bush insiders involved in this deal
Edited on Sun Feb-26-06 10:48 AM by still_one
why is the carlyle group involved

why after six years, bush believes this is the only issue worthy of a veto

whose country does he represent?

THINGS DID CHANGE AFTER 9/11

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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 11:03 AM
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9. Big money
it attracts the big money players sure, standard cronyism may be in play, but get more facts on the approval process, the issues examined before you start screaming conspiracy. You realize that these investment companies would have been involved regardless of the party in power. Its a business deal.

And real security issues need to be brought out with a transparent investigation, otherwise we sound shrill. Let the Repukes eat their own on the fear of terrorism. The fact is, it doesn't take a port run by the UAE to have a security problem.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 11:15 AM
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10. Given that the repukes...
can't be bothered to strengthen port security when those ports are run by a British company, what makes you think the eunuchs will take on the UAE?
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 03:02 PM
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20. If we don't dig in and fight...
we're not likely to get any transparency at all.
Any time I hear a Democrat talking about other Democrats being shrill I assume I'm talking to a DLCer. If statements by Bayh and Vilzac are any guide, the DLC wants to keep our powder dry on every issue until we lose again, at which time they will counsel the same thing again. Rinse, repeat. Particularly when a corporate deal is involved. I'm in NYC; it's not just a business deal to me.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 03:38 PM
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22. Things look different
to different people its a simple fact. I'm a democrat, nice to make your acquaintance.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 11:27 AM
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14. Shhhh....quiet. I don't want Halliburton or Carlyle to hear that.
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iconocrastic Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 07:24 PM
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25. Because
1) shipping is an international business
2) US co's can't compete against scab labor
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 10:28 AM
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5. The article ignores a lot.
Edited on Sun Feb-26-06 10:40 AM by ProSense
How is a shipping company the same as the port owners/managers?

Were two citizens of China linked to 9/11?

Did China recognize the Taliban? (Only the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan did)

Vetted by Homeland Security? The news reports state that Homeland Security put up a red flag when it first heard about the deal. That's a red flag.

So the Cosco deal was opposed by Republicans, are they going to be consistent and continue opposing the UAE deal?
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 11:20 AM
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12. It's an editorial.
Balanced information is not necessarily the point.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 11:51 AM
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16. I shouldn't have used the word article,
but it wasn't intended to imply that the piece was news. It's an attack piece so I assumed it was commentary. Still, it's important to point out the hypocrisy and inaccurate analogies in the argument.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 10:35 AM
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6. The UAE is being profiled - and they should be. n/t
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 01:45 PM
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19. The LA Times has become such right wing shit.
sad.
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guidod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 03:51 PM
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23. No it hasn't...
...that was nothing more than an editorial. I read the hard copy of the L.A. Times every day and find that it reports from both sides of the center, which all media outlets should do.
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 04:30 PM
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24. It was actually founded as right-wing shit
Anyone ever hear of "General Otis" the anti-union blowhard who's LAT headquarters got bombed in 1910? The LAT didn't become a "liberal" paper until long after his death, and it seems that it's moving back towards the direction of its start.
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