Dean on MTP: the Bizarro world starts to crumble (wow)

Dean was pretty tough on Kerry on MTP. I'll withhold my judgement on that issue until later.

However, the rest of the interview was incredible.

Have you noticed how there are two realities? There is the real world, in which things happen. And there is the bizarro-media world, where we are told what happened and how we felt about it. In the real world, Al Gore played a large legislative role in helping to bring about the research that led to the internet, and listed that as one of his major accomplishments. In the media world, Al Gore claimed he invented the internet. In the real world, Ron Reagan never went to church. In the media world, he was God's Own President (until W). In the real world, Clinton was falsely accused of any number of heinous crimes, for which there was never a shred of evidence. In the media world, he was guilty of all of them.

Tonight, on MTP, Dean started talking about the real world - the world that is revealed by reading the papers and having a memory and not letting uncomfortable facts slide down the memory hole.

He brought up that Cheney is still being paid by Halliburton, and is in direct violation of the law because of that (Tim's fat face lit up in surprise when he said that!). He brought up the litany of (now denounced) "reasons" we were rushed to war. He brought up a whole slew of important points that I never see mentioned anywhere in the media, by either Democrats or Republicans . . . only on progressive blogs. I have never seen the lid ripped off of the bizarro-media world like that before in my life - certainly never on national TV.

It was like a rush of fresh air coming out of the TV set. Incredible. Incredible.

The fact that Dean lives in the real world, and not in the media-construct, is a major reason to support him. I've never been more affected by an interview in my life.

After this hearty dose of reality, it is going to be hard to go back to the thin gruel of listening to the other canididates' campaign platitudes.

I canvassed for Dean this weekend - it was cold work, but well worth it, and even more so after seeing this interview.

The US may not be ready for him - but let's hope they are.

If allowed to continue, this man is going to unleash a flood.

The only question is: will he ride the crest?

Because he has had to. For a long time. If you don't live in the real world your patients die, it's that simple. If you don't live in the real world you get Texas instead of Vermont. I admire people who are used to acknowledge that facts pose constraints to the political discourse. Genius is being able to take them into account and solve real problems. Kerry is a professional BS politican. He can use all the words he wants (not that he excels in that domain either), but just by uttering them they won't become true or solve any real problems.

It was cold but worth it. Great post BTW.

you've been an incredible supporter for Dean and a source of great information here.

I had the full range of responses to Dean - but I met at least 4-5 people who were on the fence about him who I think I convinced to vote for him. It was well worth it.

Well done!

I always enjoy a Wes Clark interview.

funny that Dean and Clark seem to be on the ropes with respect to Kerry and Edwards.

He speaks the truth even when it hurts. I have incredible respect for that. He makes my mind up more and more each day. All of my family are voting for him now!!

And all I have to say is "Give 'em Hell Howard!!!"
I'm paying some bills online in a few minutes, and I'm gonna switch over to DeanforAmerica.com, and send another donation.:kick:

Timmy tried to corner him on the NRA and Dean was having none of it. He made the distinction between responsible gun owners and hunters and some of the stuff that the NRA tries pushing. He flat out said, and I paraphrase "I don't go for that crap (that the NRA advocates) and they're run by a bunch of nutjobs, but the average hunter in Vermont is far more reasonable than these guys."

I was so glad to hear the word "crap" in the same sentence as the NRA, and for that I thank the good Doctor.

I'm still fence-sitting though. I have 8 days to go!!!

about some of the NRA's positions - that was just incredible and true and honest. And it was amazing to see someone cut through being either pro NRA or against them and pick apart the good and the bad parts of their positions. You rarely, if ever, hear someone do that in such an honest way.

If he doesn't win the nomination, I'm not sure what we are going to do with him.

And he totally handled Timmy - it was a beautiful thing to see.

It's so refreshing to not have to listen to the same old....crap. :) Telling it like it is never gets old.

He was really good.

I only read the transcript, didn't see the program, so I wasn't fully impacted by context as you were.

I feel invigorated and filled with hope.

I wonder how it is that people are not hearing him. I wonder why they are still so afraid of Bush.

The best thing about watching Dean is seeing how he takes punch after punch and still gets up and keeps coming after Bush. He just never stops. And where do you suppose he gets that endless energy to keep on? From the truth. He is compelled to keep on saying what he says because it's the truth and it has to be told.

Dean is running for President like he has nothing to lose. No matter what happens and how this turns out, I will never, ever forget what a real candidate looks like.

I loved the ease with which he just flat-out stated that Bush was going to lose to the Democratic candidate - no fear, no wincing.

And the ". . . and a trip to Mars" line had me rolling with laughter too.

I'm also amazed that so many people are afraid of him - they want someone more comfortable, I guess.

He said "screwed" and "crap" in the interview.

That ain't gilding the lily.




Screw this crap. I'm voting for Dean!

read the transcript, it was goooood crap!

All of the sneering about John Kerry made him look like a desperate loser. I don't think he can restart his campaign by dragging John Kerry down. I've seen enough campaign rivalries to know that he can't keep this up long without completely alienating everyone.

Check the state polls. He is barely competitive. He needs to give voters his view of what he would do in the presidency. Something other than slicing attacks on his fellow Democrats.

Would he engage in sneering character attacks on fellow Democrat's special interests when he gets to Washington? Will he go there and label every Democrat he disagrees with a republican?

If that is so, than I believe John Kerry was right when said that the Governor doesn't know much about how things work in Congress.

he forgot the part about how they cater to the super-rich corporations and focused on the fact that they were going after him.

Apart from the stuff on Kerry, though, it was an incredible interview. If he wasn't running for President before I saw that interview, I would want to know why not.

legislation all the time.

Kerry understands that. Dean won't accept that.

I guess you're ok with it too, huh?

with his endless sniveling and constant fixation on Dean for the last 6 months trying to drag Dean through the mud with his Republican talking points about anger. Some selective memory you have. Better hope that Kerry won't need those extra votes from the Democratic wing of the democratic party. Capishe?

"Would he engage in ... attacks on fellow Democrat's special interests when he gets to Washington?"

I certainly hope so!!!!!!!!

(Ellipsed your statement because of the offensive equation of Dean's telling it like it is with "sneering character attacks.")

Part of the task of taking our country back will be to pry the Dems who are in DC out of the arms of corpo special interests or replace them with people who will do their jobs and serve OUR interests.

"If that is so, than I believe John Kerry was right when said that the Governor doesn't know much about how things work in Congress."

That is just the point - the Governor does know how things work in Congress and I whole heartedly agree with him - we have to change the way things have been going in Congress. Face it, a whole lot of congress critters need to be fired by the people, including many Democrats.

I'd love to read it!

Hekate

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Sounds a lot like Nader's 2000 approach.

It has the problem of disconnect from the national narrative. Being factual and being right has never been enough; a President has to understand and carry on the story line that is popularly imagined to be the country's history.

"There is no difference between the Republicans and Democrats."

And I think part of being an effective leader is to help create the media's narrative, instead of laying down for the false narrative.

Honestly, you think Nader isn't a truth teller because of that one quote?

He reads and thinks on his own.

just caught the rerun. wowza. that was great.

i also just heard imus in am on msnbc say that he thought it was one of the best appearances on MTP ever. he said something like.. if dean was a baseball pitcher, that was a perfect game.. solid. thanks msnbc.

onward and upward howard. nice job.


and to janet jackson, you go girl! that should distract the media today, on a very important poll-flashing day.

lol.

or as TS Elliot said, "Human kind cannot bear very much reality."

Hell on earth is not buying into the illusion but not being evolved enough to accept it.