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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:20 PM
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Is it wrong to like Pat Buchanan?
I used to absolutely hate the man, but he seems to be taking a few shots at * lately, and I find myself actually being able to listen to him without :puke: I saw him and E.J. Dionne with Tim Russert and when asked why so many people hate *, he said a few things, including a statement I liked: "the way the boy swaggers." First he attacked daddy and now he seems to have it in for the boy king, what gives?
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:22 PM
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1. Yes, it's wrong
You might like one or two things Pat has said, but he's still a viscious racist bastard.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:23 PM
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2. He did one good thing. He said his votes were for Gore.
That takes some level of integrity.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:24 PM
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3. Pat's a racist anti semitic asshole
...but compared to the PNAC'ers, he's looking better all the time. And he was a much better host on Crossfire than any of the FAUX shitheads who copied his formula.
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:24 PM
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4. Yes n/t
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:25 PM
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5. Read up on Pat's reason for supporting anti-abortion.
It's more than a little bit weird.
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Monte Carlo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:25 PM
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6. Buchanan is a relic from the 50's, but he's at least honest about it.
He's at least got some form of personality that shows through the media, and is not shrill. He's definitely a paleoconservative; the way Republicans used to be. Bigoted, yes, arrogant, OK, but you can at least sense that he's not in politics purely for himself.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:25 PM
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7. he has a populist appeal
but imo he's the kind of guy that abuses the power of populist sentiment. I resent the fact that he is given such a high profile mainstream forum.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:25 PM
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8. He calls it like he sees it
And although I disagree with him on almost everything, I can respect his honesty.

That kind of frank talk, calling it like you see it, is one of the reasons I like Dean so much. Of course, I agree with Dean on most things. :D
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:27 PM
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9. Perhaps I should have said tolerated
Don't get the wrong idea here people! I'm not THAT insane. But anyone who takes shots at * can't be all bad in my book. I really just wanted to know if anyone has some background into the animosity he seems to feel towards the BFEE. Any info?
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Freedom of Speech Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:43 PM
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19. Yes.
He's a fascist and a populist and follows doctrine not unlike Hitler. It would be natural for him not to like the BFEE. Recall Molly Ivins referring to one of his speeches by saying, "I liked it better in the original German"? She wasn't really kidding.

People shouldn't be thrown out for having something objectionable; no one's perfect; however, don't you think there's a limit?

I'd draw it at a fascist.
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kstewart33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:27 PM
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10. I like Buchanan
Some of his views are beyond reason, but he is one of the few talking heads who is not a predictable, political hack. He states his mind, and he's an independent thinker. That is a rare and for me, a highly prized asset. He seems to owe nothing to no one, and I like that.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:27 PM
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11. I can ADMIRE the way he sticks to his guns
but I think he's a pig.
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He loved Big Brother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:28 PM
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12. I dislike him as a person
But he did pen a couple of good articles about PNAC, and since he is more likely to be read by conservatives, I am grateful for that effort.

Like this one- http://www.amconmag.com/03_24_03/cover.html
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:29 PM
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13. I'd keep him at arm's length, he's not really our ally. . .
But we can use him to our advantage.


:kick:
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afraid_of_the_dark Donating Member (724 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:31 PM
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14. He scares me...
But he needs to run for president. I'll bet a lot of the ultra-conservatives would swing their votes to Buchanan, and away from Dubya (making him easier to beat :evilgrin:).
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lucidmadman Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:32 PM
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15. I don't think it's wrong...
...paleo-cons like him, at least, have a world-view that's out-front and comprehensible unlike the sneaky little bastard neo-cons.
Sometimes PB's protectionist message speaks to me.
I guess if you're wrong, then I am too. But it does seem based on a few of the things he says and not the racist far right stuff that still seems to be an influence on his thought.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:33 PM
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16. my enemy's enemy is my friend
I like the fact that some Republicans listen to Buchanan
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:39 PM
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18. There it is
I certainly don't subscribe to any of his views, but the fact that one of their own is criticizing *, and the fact that he has many conservative (as opposed to neo-con) followers, may have some impact leading into the election.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:34 PM
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17. No... but,
I think it should be understood that he is a genuine fascist in many respects. He's dedicated to a reactionary and theocratic agenda. Many leftists "admired" Khomenei in Iran before the Islamic revolution because he opposed the shah. I think they should have been much more aware of his agenda. Buchanan is not really dangerous now, but we should be aware of his real agenda, which is not anti-imperialist.

He says some things that are true, and I wouldn't be opposed to having tactical alliances with his supporters on different issues. But, ideologically, he's reactionary of a horrible type.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:47 PM
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20. He's anti-Bush* , anti-PNAC, and anti-globalisation....
that's enough for me to like him. You don't have to agree with someone on everything to like them. Pat has earned my respect by consistently speaking out against some of the same things I speak out against.
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Freedom of Speech Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:48 PM
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21. and he's a fascist...
just a bit of a problem for most people on a progressive board...
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:56 PM
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22. I didn't say I would vote for him.
I just said I liked that he was against some of the same things as me, and he speaks out about them. I like that about him. That doesn't make me a fascist.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 02:00 PM
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23. He doesn't take himself all that seriously
He has a sense of humor, and he is willing to tell like he see's it...although he is often wrong. Politically I could never agree with him, but I don't cringe everytime he comes on the air.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 02:01 PM
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24. Politically, yes. On a personal level, no.
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