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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 11:54 AM
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9/11 & Bush's 'Negligence' (Robert Parry)
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/032306.html

<snip>

Another big part of the problem was the lack of urgency at the top. Bush, who had been President for half a year, was taking a month-long vacation at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, and shrugged off the growing alarm within the U.S. intelligence community.

Separate from the FBI field agents, the Central Intelligence Agency was piecing the puzzle together from tips, intercepts and other scraps of information. On Aug. 6, 2001, more than a month before the attacks, the CIA had enough evidence to send Bush a top-secret Presidential Daily Briefing paper, “Bin Laden Determined To Strike in US.”

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”Now, contrast that with what happened in the summer of 2001, when we even had more clear indications that there was going to be an attack. Did the President ask for daily meetings of his team to try to stop the attack? Did (national security adviser) Condi Rice hold meetings of her counterparts to try to stop the attack? No.”

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After receiving the CIA’s Aug. 6, 2001, warning, Bush is reported to have gone fishing and cleared brush at his ranch. There is no evidence that he did anything to energize or coordinate the government response to the expected attack.


more.... including some quotes from Al Gore
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 11:58 AM
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1. Chilling isn't it.....I think 9/11 could have been minimized or even
prevented....

When you have a sitting President that has no interest in the Country the result is 9/11. He can't ask analytical questions because he doesn't have the mental capabilities to do it.

Gore/Feingold 2008 I am convinced more than ever this is the winning ticket!!!

<snip>
In August of 2001,” Gore added, “such a clear warning was given and nothing – nothing – happened. When there is no vision, the people perish.
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Stanchetalarooni Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:05 PM
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3. Beyond chilling.
Edited on Fri Mar-24-06 12:06 PM by Stanchetalarooni
For almost 5 years it has been chilling, numbing, illuminating, angering, saddening, depressing, amazing, paranoia-generating, sobering, activating, maddening, disempowering, etc.
That is, for those of us that weren't asleep,
weren't drugged by MSM,
Or in on the scam!
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:09 PM
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4. I hope the 9/11 Families stay involved in all of this....
Because they have power.....

It does make me tired........

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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:04 PM
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2. Nixon=Crook Bush=Criminal a step above
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:09 PM
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5. It IS the one thing left
Here is what I wrote really hastily the other day. This is the one thing left that keeps W's legacy (to say nothing of impeachment and conviction) from being a dangerously preacutionary one.

The one thing left

Well we finally have seen in national polling that a majority of our fellow citizens now see the obvious truth: the war was based on lies, horribly administrated from the top, and that there was a complete lack of any planning for what would happen after the inevitable initial victory. There seems to be no great credit attributed to the Bush administration for not ruining the economy as is expected. There also seems to be no great trust in his leadership against terrorism, and that is the one thing left.

We shouldn’t want to take credit for his failure but on ly to point it out. Bush’s biography is a long line of taking credit for failure so maybe this is no great surprise. The one thing that is left is to certify that George W. Bush’s gross negligence and complete incompetence before 9/11 dominates his legacy.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:12 PM
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6. The most frustrating thing is that our Democratic
Party leadership REFUSED and continues to refuse to call Bush out for this failure to protect Americans on 911. Further the MSM refuses. If a Democrat were in office on 911 and pulled this shit, do you think for one second that the Republicans/media wouldn't hold him/her accountable?

I called every major democratic campaign hq and bitched before the election - it pretty much fell on deaf ears. I did notice some softball statements to this effect, but nothing clear/direct/biting.

EVERYONE SHOULD READ/RECOMMEND THIS.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:12 PM
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7. Condi let the cat out of the bag
Edited on Fri Mar-24-06 12:13 PM by leveymg
She said something very interesting during the public 9/11 Commission hearings in April 2004. Condi let it slip that there was a Principals Meeting scheduled for September 12th to roll out the Bush Administration's own, brand spanking new program against terrorism. She didn't mention the General dircetly, but that's the reason that Pakistani ISI General Ahmed was in Washington on 9/11.

I don't think anyone other than Richard Clarke ever made reference to the Bush Administration's plans for a new counter-terrorism initiative, and Clarke doesn't connect it to the attack. But, the timing tells me a lot about why Dubya did nothing to order the UBL cells rolled up when he got his 08/06 PDB warning about planned hijackings, attacks on high visibility targets in NYC and DC, and 80 al-Qaeda cells operating inside the US.

The calculation to risk doing nothing until 09/12/01 was a political decision - they wanted credit for getting Osama. Clarke does allude to the fact that Bush's national security team were political hacks first and foremost, and couldn't bear the thought that Clinton's programs would get any credit. nfortunately, bin Laden heard about the counter-terrorism plan through his sources in Saudi and Pakistani intelligence, and got the jump on them. Of course, there were others watching the moves of both sides.

Bush refused to roll-up the UBL cells. That's why 9/11 happened.
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 06:43 PM
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27. Pakistani ISI General Ahmed Met with Sen. Graham & Porter Goss 9/10
had breakfast, and did a wire transfer to Mohammad Atta (i think in Germany) can't remember the exact amount - i think it was around $100,000. don't remember right now, it's only been almost five years..

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 04:41 AM
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28. The breakfast meeting w/Graham & Goss was 9/11, I recall
Not sure exactly what date the $100K wire transfer was,but it wasn't long before. Anyway, the point is that they were all getting ready for the kickoff of BushCo's new counter-terrorism initiative. Obviously, UBL decided to "preempt" that.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:17 PM
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:27 PM
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9. There's some evidence that Moh. Atta was riding in the jump seat in the
cabin. He had AA uniforms and had boasted about being an AA pilot. Before 9/11, it was not uncommon for airline pilots and student pilots to be allowed to ride up front with the flight crew.

If this was the case, Atta slit the throats of the flight crew and took over the controls before they could send out a distress call.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 02:14 PM
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:40 PM
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10. I am quite willing now to look further into the events of 9-11
I am extremely skeptical of the facts, as we have been handed.

This regime has no respect for truth and I think there are enough questions out there to question how 9-11 happened, or was allowed to happen, or may have even been orchestrated by our own government in cahoots with other nations.

I think the questions need to be answered. I will read all investigative reporting on this and hope that serious investigators, and perhaps some whistleblowers will come forth.

There is little doubt in my mind that SOMETHING stinks aobut the facts we have been given and the so called "facts" that the media reported.

They simply do not add up.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:45 PM
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11. On that, we all agree!
:thumbsup: Well said.
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 03:56 PM
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17. cooperativeresearch dot org is an excellent website to start your research
Edited on Fri Mar-24-06 03:57 PM by fed-up
below are just a few of the links/entries, all are documented

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

Complete 911 Timeline
Open-Content project managed by Paul Thompson

Links to Timelines



View all timeline entries for this project


Before 9/11
Warning Signs (228)
Foreign Intelligence Warnings (27)
Insider Trading (36)
Counterterrorism Before 9/11 (181)
Able Danger (39)
Military Exercises (38)
Hunt for bin Laden (73)
Pipeline Politics (54)

Al-Qaeda Members
Al-Qaeda in Germany (42)
Alhazmi and Almihdhar (74)
Other 9/11 Hijackers (48)
Marwan Alshehhi (21)
Mohamed Atta (37)
Ziad Jarrah (9)
Hani Hanjour (15)
Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (33)
Zacarias Moussaoui (40)
Nabil al-Marabh (10)

Geopolitics and 9/11
Pakistani ISI (126)
Randy Glass (7)
Sibel Edmonds (6)
Saeed Sheikh (3)
Mahmood Ahmed (3)
Drugs (21)
Saudi Arabia and the bin Laden Family (110)
Bin Laden Family (33)
Israel (33)
Iraq (49)
US Dominance (34)
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 04:49 PM
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20. Thank you very much for that link
I will read as time permits. Meanwhile I have bookmarked it. Thanks
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 01:09 PM
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12. Political Capital. Yes, he has it and still has it because of blindfolded
christians and others who won't study. In spite of the evidence.


I'm beginning to think there is a gene that doesn't allow people do connect dots and ask questions and that it is prevalent in a certain part of North America. They never read about people who have taken up arms and have gone to their slaughter for reasons they didn't fully understand. This gene doesn't allow history to affect their decision, even if the history is living history from 35 + - years ago. Even after they learn that we are dominated by an agenda of perpetual war that creates profits for a few.

They don't yet know that even the army is going to be outsourced. That will be fun - drumming up patriotism for 'furrners'. Which flag do you wave?

Well, usually a person might say 'wake me up when everyone realizes that our government stood down in every way imaginable'. Instead, we need to wake as many as possible to let them know that our leaders stood down - in every way imaginable.

christians purposely typed without a capital c
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 08:42 AM
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29. The neurons in conservative brains don't talk to each other...
I really believe that after a lifetime of arguing with them. It's a hardware problem. They can't connect the dots. It's impossible. This is why they are totally missing from the creative class. Creative people have imaginations. Conservatives don't. If there is a stupid gene it is showing up in all races. Which makes it harder to identify.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 02:22 PM
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14. The PATTERN is very CLEAR...the man is tone/warning DEAF
Katrina is another example of his GROSS INEPTITUDE and Deafness...the man cannot function as we all would love to see...do something with those Clear and Present Dangers..at the very least, sound an ALARM...vigeriously

He is deaf on Global Warming/Chilling...radical weather changes which are now shown to be in effect. Forget the Kyoto Accord? Bush as shown an indifference to Science and would rather listen to Rash Limpballs....who, as we all know, is a druggie of the worst order.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 02:26 PM
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15. Not deaf PNAC = MIHOP
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 03:08 PM
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16. It is starting to look like the MIHOP was true...at least partially...
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 04:43 PM
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18. Negligent? Bullshit
Ignoring 3-4 warnings is negligent. Ignoring 50 warnings is complicit. Those 3000 people were sacrificed so that Smirk could invade Iraq and be a war president.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 05:08 PM
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22. DING DING DING BINGO we have a winner.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 04:43 PM
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19. More, in contrast to Clinton asking for daily meetings w/ CIA&FBI.
Why did those FBI agents at the top, despite thousands of approved FISA applications, and, what, five returned to them. (I gather that some or all of those five were approved after some changes.)

Why? Why were those requests not even tried?

Did anyone involved receive a new house, or sell one at a large profit? Did anyone check?

If it was for principle, i.e. PNAC, do they regret it now but cannot speak without making themselves guilty of the crime of the century?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 04:56 PM
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 05:10 PM
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23. Got Flame bait? . How long you plan on lasting?
Edited on Fri Mar-24-06 05:13 PM by Vincardog
:wtf: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 05:34 PM
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24. Snark
shouldn't you be at limpballs.com? Clinton caught, tried and executed Tim McVeigh, the OK City terrorist. How's you he-man Smirk doing on the Anthrax bomber? Do you think his 1/2-trillion TV war has cut into terrorism? If you do, you're part of a tiny minority - stop watching Con News Network and do some real research.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 08:54 AM
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31. Freepers are terrified of the 9/11 isssue. It blows their imaginary world
to smithereens, and they sense that on a feral level.

They will not watch the footage of Bush farting around, terrified and confused, reading "My Pet Goat" after he has been notified for the 2nd time that America is under attack.

They get up and walk away. They have not the stomach for it.

They prefer the Propaganda Lies that support thier illusory world, to having an objective look at the evidence.

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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 06:24 PM
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26. GHWBush put US in Somalia in the first place.
Edited on Fri Mar-24-06 06:35 PM by EVDebs
The current Iraq fiasco puts whatever Bubba did to shame, IMHO. BTW, using your logic (?) we'd still be fighting in Vietnam and that Wall would be a heckofalot larger, and we'd have still lost. The homefield advantage etc. counts for something.

Please read Sun Tzu's Art of War about not fighting wars you don't have to fight. Also read

Sun Tzu and the Art of Spying
by Noah Leavitt, AlterNet. Posted January 5, 2006
http://www.alternet.org/rights/30394 /

when you have the time.

Embedded in this article is further insight on Sun Tzu's thinking on warfare which the Bush administration appears to be taking too far,

""Deception must be ongoing, and unpredictable: "Even though you are competent, appear to be incompetent. Though effective, appear to be ineffective.""

The incompetence and ineffectiveness of this administration is breathtaking. They REALLY are winning. The incompetence and ineffectiveness just gets better and better each and every day. I can hardly stand it. Truly in their puzzle palace of mirrors they have made Black equal White and 2 + 2 = Whatever.

They have taken Stalin and Churchill's admonishion about truth, 'In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies', to the extreme.

Oh, and btw, since you're a newbie, please check out Ptech and BushCo and 9-11. Your little noggin' might be hurtin' for awhile:

More importantly, when will CNN or any M$M media outlet investigate Ptech (now GoAgile) and the wargames of 9-11 ?

The Pentagon attack could only have been accomplished with the wargames being already known about (see the
http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html#airforce
weblink showing in detail ) and any 'insiders' who could give such information to the Saudi/UAE hijackers

Ptech article
http://www.madcowprod.com/index45.html

showing their FAA and NAS computer access, along with other clients tied to intelligence. I understand that Ptech has now changed its name to GoAgile, for what it's worth.

Dollars of Terror
www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17730

""Ptech’s clients in 2001 included the Department of Justice, the Department of Energy, Customs, Air Force, the White House, the FAA, IBM, Sysco, Aetna, and Motorola, to name just a few...
The FBI finally raided Ptech on December 6, 2002. However, no arrests were made and the company continues to operate, and according to Ptech’s CEO, Oussama Ziade, in May 2004, "Ptech still has government agencies as customers, including the White House."...Recently, Ptech changed both the name of the company and of its software to GoAgile.""

I'm also sure that embedded neocons with agendas, like Dov Zakheim at DoD, had something to do with this madness.

Dov's bio
http://www.defenselink.mil/bios/zakheim_bio.html

"During the 2000 presidential campaign, he served as a senior foreign policy advisor to then-Governor Bush."



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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 06:19 PM
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 08:49 AM
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30. bushie didn't have time to do all that
he was too busy PLANNING the attack
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