Dick Cheney Gun Club

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http://www.quailhuntingschool.com/flash.php

Give it time to load; it's a hoot

I'll bet he thinks gun control means being able to hit his target :)

Move it down to the Gun Dungeon and watch all the gun activist "Democrats" go eerily silent. They virtually ignored the Cheney shooting incident when it happened; in marked contrast to John Kerry's goose hunt, which they wouldn't---and won't, to this day---stop bitching about...

I hunt exclusively for my food (well I fish too) here in Alaska. I visit a ton of hunting boards, I was here complaining about the booze and guns, I wrote a letter to Thom Hartman that got read on the air, and I WAS NOT ALONE!

Cheney is no hunter, he is a fool with a gun...PERIOD!

As for John Kerry, the day he REALLY screwed up is when a reporter asked him how large his biggest buck deer he ever killed was, and Kerry said "I don't remember". Which is again, just a big fricking joke. I can remember every deer, antelope, caribou, moose, elk, bear, and turkey that I have shot., and I have lived off of wild game for all of my life. It made Kerry look like a pretender.

in that hunting footage they aired. If you hunt fine; if not, that's fine too. But even if Kerry hunts all the time, looking that uncomfortable (Dukakis in the tank helmet) can kill momentum very quickly.

Regarding your Post No.5:

Number of words you expended in trashing Democrat John Kerry for a single comment about hunting: 76.

Number of words you expended in criticizing Republican Dick Cheney for shooting an elderly man in the face: 12.

That's better than a 6-to-1 ratio, nailing Democrats over Republicans. You're definitely Gun Dungeon material.

Speaking of which---I stand by my earlier comments regarding the Cheney incident. There were dozens of lively threads in the DU Big Forums about it at the time, and I read them all. The absence of comments from the Dungeon gun militants was striking, particularly in contrast to all the screaming they do about Democrats: Kerry, Gore, Feinstein, Schumer, etc. Enjoy your new playmates (but brace yourself: they all think hunting is icky.....)

You're definatley "short bus" material.

The word count was just a means of calling attention to it.

Seriously, you need to start showing up at the Gun Dungeon, I think you're a natural. There's one thread open down there right now where you can catch gun-obsessed "Democrats" doing the following:

---slamming the NRA as not being sufficiently tough in upholding gun rights;

---casting aspersions on the U.N. because of its evil, one-world designs on firearms ownership;

---expressing praise for the gun rights stances of Condi "What Memo About Using Airliners as Weapons?" Rice and Attorney General Alberto "Torture Boy" Gonzalez; and

---spewing the usual, non-stop trash talk about the Democratic Party;

all in a single thread. Here in DU. Kind of makes Free Republic superfluous, doesn't it?

Enjoy yourself down there, vigorously agreeing with everybody, OK? Who knows? Maybe you can talk some of those wimpy guys into going hunting with you.....but I doubt it.

Oh, by the way: I got off the short bus by proving I knew how to correctly spell the word "definitely."

is why Democrats lose, and will continue to lose.

Hate to break it to you, but most Americans strongly support the right of private gun ownership. Your agenda hurts, not helps. Too bad you cannot see past that and realize it. Funny though, I doubt if you have any idea of life outside of the city. You call hunters "wimpy guys" yet many of my friends and hunting partners are Athabascan or Inipuits, tougher than nails, kind of guys. People who know how to survive in extreme conditions...something I doubt you could ever do. You probably would be lost without your cafe breva and your cell phone.

Tell you what, if you want to see it first hand, you can be my guest. We leave on Sept 1 and come back on Sept 20 for moose. Remote Alaskan bush, severe condtions above the Arctic Circle on the Kobuk River. About 120 miiles from the nearest village. Temps will usually be 30 to -15. Grizzly will be a daily occurrence. If something happens, you better know how to handle your shit because the plane won't be back for twenty days and you are NOT walking out. Let's see if you can hang with us "wimpy guys".

...and it's pretty obvious that this little dialogue with you is just that: a waste of time. Nonetheless, a couple of comments:

1. If you'll take a another look at my post no. 10, I mean, really, really concentrate and give it another look, or two, or three, I think you'll find that my "wimpy guys" comment isn't directed to you or other hunters at all. No, it's directed at all the Gun Dungeon pistol-and-assault rifle types, individuals who say they like guns but unanimously reject hunting. They don't fantasize about bagging moose, they dream of putting bullets in other human beings. Pretty unpleasant.

2. In point of fact, I've spent a lot of time outside the city; actually, hunting used to be my favorite pastime. I gave it up about a decade ago, and my guns are stacked in a closet. Want to know why? Way too many assholes. Right-wing assholes. Heavily armed, right-wing assholes. And judging from the content of the Gun Dungeon in general, and your posts here in particular, it doesn't look like things have gotten any better. Fly fishing for trout suits me a lot better---more sport, and a better class of people.......

a bunch of snobs in head to toe Orvis standing where they should be fishing and fishing where they should be wading. Seen it all, too many times. I used to tie flies commericially and guided on some rivers out west when I was in college. Bunch of pretenders, plus I tend to agree with the Inipuits up here, "catch and release" fishing is playing with your food. Either catch the damned thing and eat it or leave it alone. Anything short of that is simply inflicting pain on a animal with a highly developed nervous system, which is cruel. Why would you disrespect a wonderful fish like that?


As for the assholes in the field, I have always found lots of good people while hunting, especially in the places that take some leg work and dedication to get to. We never seemed to talk politics, mostly concentrated on packing horses, tending camp, and actually hunting. Too bad you had such a crappy experience, maybe some self-reflection is in order.

I will agree with you that anyone who fantasises about shooting another person has some issues though...

Dude, you must not have read your own thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x121663

Cheney was getting roasted. What he did was idiotic and gross negligence.


Kerry's goose hunt wasn't ignorant, it was irrelevant; five minutes of staff work would have revealed that only about 5% of gun owners are bird hunters. Kerry needed to be at an IDPA event or visiting the line at the Camp Perry national matches, but the gun prohibitionist lobby would have eviscerated him for that...

I am, of course, quite familiar with that thread, not only because I initiated it, but also because it represents my final participation in the Gun Dungeon, a participation which goes all the way back to 2001 and consists of the greater part of almost 2500 posts. I put that thread up in the Dungeon, once it became obvious that the DU gun activists were conspicuously avoiding all of the dozens and dozens of Cheney hunting threads in the Big Forums. My thread was locked after just 20 posts by the moderator because of its supposed "flame bait" potential; it wasn't around long enough for Cheney to get "roasted" to any extent. It was a sign to me that, as far as the Dungeon was concerned, the inmates had been allowed to take over the asylum, and that further participation by me was pointless. I have no regrets about leaving; should have done it years ago.

By the way, let's take a look at your word count in post 12:

---Number of words you expended in trashing John Kerry for his campaign goose hunt: 55.

---Number of words you expended in criticizing Dick Cheney for shooting an elderly man in the face: 12.

That's right, "dude." You devoted more than four times the thought, effort and words in savaging an honorable and intelligent Democrat like John Kerry for a fucking PR blunder, than you did in confronting a bestial Republican like Dick Cheney for an unforgivable and destructive lapse in basic gun safety. How typical......

Dick Cheney's idiotic hunting screwup, or the Democratic party leadership's complete misunderstanding of gun-owner demographics?

Do you see how the misunderstandings that helped cost Senator Kerry the election are more important to the party than Dick Cheney's screwup du jour?

Cheney got rightly roasted for the oops-you're-not-a-quail episode (and IIRC most of what I posted on the Cheney incident, I posted in GD and GDP), but in terms of overall significance to the party, the gun-owners-are-hunters misconception is more serious.

Which do you think will be more important in 2008--Cheney's gun accidents (he'll be off the ticket anyway), or that the party understand what the gun vote is all about? I'd have to say the latter, which is why I've tended to spend more time on that.

Also devoted an entire post to it here:

Dems and the Gun Issue - Now What?

But of course, a single visit to the Gun Dungeon reveals something quite different. To an alarming degree, DU gun activists heap scorn on Democratic officials in the most hateful and vitriolic terms, while giving Republicans a pass. The Cheney hunting episode was just the clearest example of this long-time Dungeon behavior. And, frankly, why shouldn't it be that way? The Republicans are the ones who have bent over backwards to cater to your increasingly trashy little hobby---so why on earth would you gripe about them?

And yet, you demand that Democrats ditch their moderate position on gun regulation and replace it with a stance right out of the Republican and NRA playbooks. I for one find your arguments utterly unpersuasive. I might feel a little different if you guys made even a token effort at expressing opinions on topics here in DU, other than guns. These are historic times, there are daily occurences indicating that the Republican era is drawing to a blessed end, and it's happening without regard to anything having to do with gun policy. And yet the only things you and your gun activist cohorts seem to contribute to the Big Forums are insults to Democrats, for their failure to support your gun-centric view of the world, or for their lack of esoteric knowledge about firearms. That, and the occasional masturbatory-quality photos of your favorite shooting irons. If you really are the Democrats you claim to be, you might try acting like it.....

Geez, get a grip. Do you visit any forums besides GD and GDP?

The recent-post thing only goes back 48 hours, but I happened to remember this one because it stuck in my mind, in Health: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=222&topic_id=6332

I browse a lot of the forums, have posts in many of them, but usually don't say anything unless I have something meaningful to say. Because our son is a special-needs kid, Health is one forum that I can sometimes contribute a meaningful insight to. Guns are another, because I know a lot about them. I also know a lot about physics and a smattering of quantum theory, but one doesn't see a lot of threads where a discourse on Landau quasiparticles in a Fermi gas would be apropos.


Fighting to ban and confiscate all civilian firearms with handgrips that stick out, or guns that have been civilian-legal since the freaking Civil War, is not a "moderate" position. It is an extreme position, one I am convinced the party leadership would never have taken if they had not been misled by the bait-and-switch tactics of the gun-ban lobby.

Respecting the compromises made between the pro- and anti-gun sides over the past 72 years is NOT an extremist position. Trashing those compromises and enacting sweeping new bans of unprecedented scope--like the Bradyites/VPC/AGS/SHV extremists want--is hardly a moderate position.

I say, enforce the huge array of laws already on the books, look for common ground on addressing criminal possession/use and theft deterrence, and leave the rest to the states. Is that so extreme?


When somebody is being manipulated by the gun-ban lobby because they honestly don't know the difference between a banned automatic weapon and a legal NFA Title 1 civilian firearm, I think it is helpful to point that out. Knowledge is power, and lack of knowledge leads to gullibility, as the "assault weapon" bait-and-switch so aptly demonstrates.

BTW, if you've stood idly by while a couple of well-known anti-gun zealots on DU trash Russ Feingold, Paul Hackett, gun-owning Dems and indies, or state-level Dems who don't support the gun ban du jour, then you're being hypocritical. I wouldn't address a freaking DOG the way that these guys address pro-gun Dems.

Perhaps you'd like to point out where I've ever "trashed," say, John Kerry, Wes Clark, or Tammy Duckworth. I have offered what I think is constructive criticism of their positions, hopefully in a respectful way. The thing about misconceptions (such as the one common among some top advisers, that most gun owners are hunters and care primarily about hunting guns) is that they eventually collide with reality, as Senator Kerry found in 2004, and Vice President Gore found in 2000.


What, pray tell, is a masturbatory-quality photo? I for the life of me can't fathom people (mostly gun haters) who view guns as sex objects. FWIW, most of the photos I've posted aren't mine, they are links to outside photos to illustrate a point. Right-click to check the link; only the photos hosted at commongroundcommonsense.org are mine.

I've posted photos of my son on DU also. May get my car on here at some point (got a newer one recently since my Camry was totaled by an SUV a few weeks ago, but oh, you never read any of my posts unless they're gun-related...)


I am a center-left independent, and registered as such, with a a strong interest in civil liberties, including a high view of the First, Second, and Fourth Amendments. My views tend to line up more Dem than Repub, though the occasional "get the hell away from my party" post from people like you and MrB are a bit discouraging.

If you want to tell all left-leaning independents like me to stay the hell away from voting Democrat because you don't want anyone less authoritarian than Dianne Feinstein in YOUR party, fine. I just don't think that's a wise strategy for the party at large.


If this post doesn't count as "constructive criticism," I'm not sure what would.

Kind of like Madonna demanding that you practice celibacy. Or George W. Bush telling you to adhere to the rules of English grammar. Or...you get the idea.

Other than informing you that I post to the Big Forums as well as a number of others, including "Books: Fiction," "Books: Non-Fiction," "Entertainment" and the "Texas" state site, I think this conversation between us is pretty much over. All you're doing is engaging in yet another bunch of Democrat-bashing here, it's plain for all to see. In a single post, you're accusing DU participants of being gullible, manipulated, hypocritical, and sexually hung-up on guns; you're gloating yet again about the defeats of John Kerry and Al Gore, and you're referring to Dianne Feinstein as an authoritarian. And whatever the hell a "center-left independent" is, it is not a Democrat. Way to persuade a bunch of true Democrats over to your way of thinking, "dude".....