WOW! Chicago Defender (oldest Black paper in US) blames McKinney for mess

And I agree:

EDITORIAL: McKinney showed bad judgment by disobeying rules

by Defender Editorial
April 6, 2006

There is little doubt that racism is alive and well in 2006. But what is unfortunate is when elected officials cry racism, when instead, their bad decisions made a situation unnecessary.
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It is her arrogance that is the reason behind this. She has tried to frame this issue as racial profiling, and others have said that the officer should never have touched her. But her actions led to the confrontation, pure and simple.

McKinney has long been a freedom fighter, willing to stand up to oppression and fight for African Americans. She had the courage to question the Bush Administration for a variety of reasons, even losing her seat because of her unwillingness to alter her views to satisfy her critics.

We have stood with McKinney, but rallying around her on this issue is beyond us, and her actions are indefensible. She may not be able to get out of this jam with an apology. If the grand jury indicts, there will be a trial, and likely some sort of plea.
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http://www.chicagodefender.com/page/editorial.cfm?ArticleID=4711

what do you expect? Probably owned by Fox.

Do you have even the slightest idea what the Defender is?

Look at eh slogan on its front page:



Honest. Balanced. Truthful. Unapologetically Black!

As an African American from Chicago and a long time Defender reader I hope you are being sarcastic.

It was SOLD years ago.

So it is still Black owned and operated.

It was once owned by a very kind Republican Black family.
Then it was sold to Danny Blackwell, Black in name only and probably Republican.

During the time of the Kerry Campaign, I started following the election.

Instead of the headline saying, GET OUT THE VOTE, there was a HUGE color photo of Condi Rice calling her the most important Black American in the WORLD!

I called that paper and let um all know, from the switch board receptionist to the Editor,that they may be Black but they were working for a SELL OUT Republican.

By the time I finished, they were begging me to write a letter to the editor (I'm sure it would not have been published) and begging me to meet with them so they could change things(they had as much power as a flea.}

IMO, Republicans have put big money into the hands of African American Newspapers and it is a miracle that my people have been able to think for themselves as much as they do.

I think we have the same situation here.

The paper is owned by Real Times Inc and its Chairman is Tom Picou, nephew of John Sengestack the founder of the Chicago Defender.

It appears many DUers see black folk that don't act the way they want them to act and question who they are.

Its a damn shame that you guys are spouting off without know the damn facts.

and I know Danny Blackwell, known him for years.
And I'm telling you that big Republican money is behind some of the large Black "owned" newspapers.

Is it paying off Roland Martin, yes or no?

I will wait for the courts to decide.

I know that we can always trust our court system and our Media/White or Black to tell us the absolute truth.:sarcasm:

Did you forget the :sarcasm: ???

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and was called a racist and a sexist (in veiled terms) ergo, the Defender must be racist as well, right?

but the reponses to this issue have been so off the wall around here, I take nothing of granted anymore.

Yeah, I got called a few interesting things for suggesting one does not pop a cop who is just doing his job.

one person's post against me had to be removed by a moderator it was so nasty. I was followed around and questioned on who I vote for, called a racist, and generally treated poorly. It made me sad to think some at DU would act that way.

Although the majority here at DU were rallying behind her, it was pretty obvious she acted like a fool. We went into protect your own mode here just like the stupid freeps do at every turn with every crook in the GOP.

It’s high time that these stinking racists learn that they don’t have the right to look at Congresswoman McKinney, let lone speak to, much less touch her. I don’t care what she does, she’s right and they’re racists.:crazy:

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on WVON the other day. I was surprised at his position then and this also surprises me.

She is extreme to the empth degree, Majette should still be in that seat. If mckinney wears her pin this never happens.IM glad the cop tried to stop her, thats his job. SHe blames him for doing his job and doesnt accept any of the responsbility. SInce she is a member of congress THE COP should have expected for her to react that way, but her unwillingness to even accept that she was at fault and play the race card is lame.

But she does not suck.

Funny, but this is the first time that I ever heard about such an act, name calling racial stuff from a Republican that wants to never "break the law."


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2559620#2559658

Majorette probably supported the war, that is bankrupting this nation, and killing hundreds of thousands of people every year (conservative estimate). That is nothing that can compare to that kind of extremism.

McKinney opposes the war, and you call her an extremist?!?

I don't know the details of whay happened between her and that cop. But as far as McKinney's overall stance against the war and for a saner policy in the Middle East, she is right on target.

For cryin out loud, Zell Miller was the one behind Majorettes rise.

and had one of the most liberal voting records in the House.

Edit:

Support a woman's right to choose. (Oct 2002)
Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)

Voted NO on restricting bankruptcy rules. (Jan 2004)


Supports affirmative action. (Jul 2002)
Voted NO on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004)
Voted NO on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance. (Sep 2004)
Voted NO on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)


Eliminate the use of the death penalty. (Jul 2002)
Support alternative sentencing and rehabilitation programs. (Jul 2002)

Decriminalize medical marijuana. (Jul 2002)

Rated 100% by the NEA, indicating pro-public education votes. (Dec 2003)


Re-enter the Kyoto treaty process. (Jul 2002)
Voted NO on passage of the Bush Administration national energy policy. (Jun 2004)
Voted NO on implementing Bush-Cheney national energy policy. (Nov 2003)


Work with international community to restore Iraq. (Aug 2004)
Voted NO on approving removal of Saddam & valiant service of US troops. (Mar 2004)

More:
http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Denise_Majette.htm#Foreign_Policy

Damn...damn...damn..

This woman is NOT perfect!

So what! She made a mistake! Get over it!

McKinney was the FIRST person to speak out against the war. How many times do you think her life has been threatened and ever mentioned by either her or the mainstream press?

profiling as an excuse for her bad behavior.

It was a very cheap shot and did not serve her well. But the public has a short memory and I wouldn't worry too much about it!

She angered many people including members of the black caucus and her own party and DUers have a right to call her on it.

Lying propaganda bullshit crap ..

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Care to prove it? SHow us evidence. Also, how do you know they don;t get stopped when "half of Congress" doesn't wear their ID's. Are you aware that there are 535 members of Congress? It seems to me like a tall order for a cop to remember 535 faces? Especially if the cops are rotating shifts and positions.


http://www.house.gov/fattah/features/faq.htm
Questions and Answers About Congress
How many members of Congress are there?
There are in 535 Members of Congress. Congress is split into two branches, the House of Representatives and the Senate. There are 435 Representatives in the House (called Congressmen or Congresswomen) and 100 Senators in the Senate.

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who must be defended at all costs, regardless how badly they scre up and if any other black person suggests otherwise, they are then subjected to white liberal paternalistic attacks.

They crack me up to - and I'm black.

I get sick of the white liberals who acted like the ultimate defenders for black people, anyone who is white and disagrees what they believe no matter what the situation is wrapped in white bed sheets and labeled a racist. I mean what their doing is out and out racist period, kind of taking black people putting them in a little special group for them to care for and have their best interest in mind. It's like White liberals who are the defenders of black people pump up Black history month, when it shouldn't even exist I'm white but I see it as a slap in the face of African Americans because it's singling people out instead of including them with the rest of American History.

The marvel of DU...a world where all Repugnicans are corrupt, evil, racists, mysognists, homophobes and track mud on mom's clean carpet and all Democrats are saints. :sarcasm: (well at least the portrayal of Repugnicans is correct)

Rep. McKinney got caught up in the events and soon a story she thought she was controlling was controlling her. Her initial action brought out those who knew how to push her button...primarily the corporate media and this story went into hyperdrive. What should have been settled in the Security office of the Capitol was fueled by two sides with ruffled feathers...each instigating the other. The more McKinney reacted, the bigger a fool she appeared...and all over what everyone agrees was a trivial matter.

I have tremendous respect for Roland Martin...and I can see how McKinney's grandstanding trivializes the serious issue of racial profiling. There's a big difference between being stopped primarily because you didn't have the proper badge as opposed to being stopped in a white suburb because the car you're driving doesn't fit the profile of what a "black drives".

There needed for some perspective to be put here and the Defender had done it. Hopefully Rep. McKinney's appology will take this issue off the corporate media radar and within the next couple weeks we'll learn that the entire matter has been dropped. Time to move along to issues that really matter...

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you pick this piece of shit scum to propagandize...

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I just LOVE whites like you who think they know better than blacks what is racism and what isn't.

Actually, it's fucking disgusting.

People are just fed up with her antics.

How do your really know that Black folks no longer support this "race-baiting woman"?

come out to support her?

Of course, to those who will defend McKinney at all costs, this is just proof that those blacks who didn't defend her are just sell-out Uncle Toms. That's right - John Lewis and John Conyers and Maxine Waters and Bruce Gordon and Jesse Jackson and Dorothy Height and Al Sharpton are cowards who don't know half as much or have anything close to the integrity and courage of DUers.

Yeah, right.

. . .Uncle Tom I guess they would be right :sarcasm:

Uncle Wndy :hug:

I wouldn't be surprosed if it happened again this year.

that you have a ready excuse for her reelection in 04, even though at least one of her opponents in that primary had better name recognition in DeKalb than did Majette.

really stupid. she should have appoligized, said that she was talking on her phone and the security guard startled her. this shit would have been over the first day. now she's got to take her ass before a grand jury, and she better not get caught in any kind of mixup or they are going to get her ass for perjury.

Dems eating their own young.

Really scary....

On Edit: Check this out...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2558678

plain stupid.

She was minding her own business, on her way to the next appointment, meeting or vote as most Congress People do -- without badge or ID -- and the COP didn't recognize her and grabbed her from behind...

How is that "getting in that shit"?

If a cop asks you to stop and you keep on walking, then you poke or "assault" (I use that word apprehensively)the officer after he makes yoi stop, THAT is completely stupid. That's only the first act of irrational stupidity. The second was when she started holding press conferences and calling attention the issue. The third was calling the cop a racist. It is his JOB to stop people from entering the building without showing ID. WHy are all of you so quick to throw out your ethics when it's a Democrat? She acted unethically, and irrationally. I don't think she needs to resign or anything, I just wish she quitely apologized in private and didn't provoke the other side. ESPECIALLY the race baiting, it's a typical charge the right uses against us. And in this cae they might actually be right. If you'll notice, the Democratic leadership AND te Black Caucus didn't support her. That's pretty important.

Mine differs and gives the benefit of the doubt to Cynthia McKinney (since I've seen enough of how cops act to understand what probably occurred -- the tone of voice, the nuance) and how about the fact that SHE DIDN'T HEAR HIM UNTIL HE GRABBED HER ARM??????

Read the accounts of the actual incident, not the repuke and chicken-shit Dems' talking points about it.

You bias yourself instead of reading the incident in plain terms. It's your own take on the situation, not the situation itself.

You know, it doesn't even matter if she heard him or not, she didn;t stop, he needs to check for ID's. I imagine you can understand that Washington DC security is pretty tight.

to id her. she should have just said I'm sorry, I didn't hear him ask me to stop. and that when he grabbed me I was startled. see how easy that is, makes her and by extension the dems look like responsible people.

that Dems can keep losing power and still must form the circular firing squad.

It's bizarre to me that alleged "liberals" take the side of a cop over one of the most progressive forces in the Congress.

That's what's bizarre.

to ignore the fact that she didn;t have her ID on. It's also bizzare that her politics is your defense of her irrational and unethical actions. I like her politics, but I think she acted like a fool.

'Cause the media, the repukes and a few knee-jerks here said it?


Even the media doesn't make that case. The media I've read makes it sound to me like an understandable reaction between a WHITE COP and a strong black women in the bizarre pressure cooker the repukes have made of the halls of Congress.

"WHITE COP and a strong black women"

That comment right there is racist in itself. You call attention to both races, one in a demeaning way and the other in a positive way. I'd say you are letting your anger cloud your vision. I'm white, does that make me a racist if I I enforce a rule on someone who happens to be non-white? What if the person is a christian white man and I enforce some rule, am I then a christian hater (because I obviously wouldn't be racist), so there must be some other stereotypical evil reason for my enforcing the rule because I happen to be white?

Take a look at your position on this, it makes no sense.

From all I've read, there's no rule that a congress person must wear the button or show the id all of the time.

I'm sure that there is a job description, written or unwritten, that implies that guards should know Congresspeople by sight.

As for your comments about racism; this society is SO imbedded in racism, the conditioning of both white and black in the customs and thought patterns of racism SO heavily reinforced, the power relationships between whites and any other hue made starkly clear by all of the media and "popular culture", that yes, every interaction must be understood to be one that has elements of this society's racist core in it.

To be ignorant of this pervasive undercurrent in western society makes no sense.

I don't care what side of the tracks. what she did was really stupid, you know sometimes the cops are really only doing their job.

I remember the Rodney King Insurrection. The cops were completely pulled out of Compton, etc. and were deployed as a wall to prevent any of "them" from getting to the affluent areas of L.A.

That's the cops doing their job.

I remember the night of Nixon's election when our little peaceful demonstration in downtown Palo Alto was surrounded by 250 San Mateo County Sheriff's Deputies with clubs -- beating heads -- allowing no-one to escape the beating.

When the rubber meets the road, that's the cop's primary job--to protect the "good elements" of society against the "thems". Forget that at your peril.

If the facist takeover of the U.S. is completed the cops'll be the ones delegated to come for you...

problems with someone, I guess you just handle it yourself. I mean what did you want the guy to do, was he just suppose to allow someone to walk in that he wasn't sure about.

He could have gotten into her sight line and asked to see some ID instead of grabbing her from behind.

Imagine you're a Congressperson, minding your own business and someone grabs your arm for no apparent reason.

I don't know that for a fact, but lets say that's correct. How is a man working 9 to 5 supposed to identify 535 members of Congress? Is he supposed to stop them if he doesn't recognize them?

I think you might be fooling yourself with that argument. Because I know I can't recognize 535 people by face, so either they are required to stop and show ID if they aren't recognized, or they ARE supposed to wear their ID lapel. I work in a large organization and I am REQUIRED to wear my ID badge at all times when I am on campus.

Showing ID or wearing the pin is not a rule. So not showing/wearing ID is not violation of a rule - contrary to what the title of the article implies.

If the security doesn't know you and you have no ID. You are going to be asked to present ID. Whether or not it's "required" makes no difference at all. You can't expect the security to recognize 535 members of congress, who knows how many congressional aides, all sorts of political appointees, etc etc. It matters not my friend.

Congress members run in and out of there all the time - some wearing their pin, some not.

by not wearing a pin. She broke a rule when she attempted to bypass security w/o the pin, and when she got into a physical altercation with the officer who tried to stop her.

is a WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT from having someone suddenly grab you from behind.

She already said she didn't hear the guy. Why the f*ck should she. It's fair to assume that some cop calling out "Madam!" is not calling out to her...she belongs there more than he does!

We are talking about a highly secure area. This isn;t a local Walmart. People don;t just walk in and out without wearing ID if they are not recognized. Now the comment about grabbing someones arm, well she didn;t stop after he called after her. What's he supposed to do let her keep walking without producing ID at a SECURITY checkpoint.

Does he stop every person who doesn't have their pin? Does he allow people he recognizes go by?

Was he confused by her hair style? Or would he have not recognized her either way?

Did he recognize her? Did he stop her to make a point?

Did she ignore his calls? Did she just happen not to hear him?

Did he block her path? Did he grab her from behind?

Did she slap/punch him? Did she poke him?

There have been instances of odd treatment towards other black congresswomen (McKinney has spoken about being stopped in the parking lot on several occasions before). Is this another instance; we don't know. We'll have to wait to see the tape.

It's difficult for the Cap police to recognize every member. If she wasn't recognized, the simple response would have been, "I'm a Member of Congress" or "I'm Cynthia McKinney." That would have been the end of it. Her insisting that she was stopped because she was black is ridiculous and irresponsible. She was stopped - as she should have been - because, recognizing her or seeing her ID pin, she appeared to be a civilian going into the Capitol without going through the metal detector. Plain and simple.

though I know you got slammed for it.

. . .and I bet over half of the people who would dare question my Blackness are not even Black.

Headline: Voters Rethink Rep. McKinney

Makes it sound like everyone is against her, right? But look at their findings:

1. "Her apology was fine," Owens said from the food court of the South DeKalb Mall, just east of Atlanta. "The media needs to put it to rest."

2. A few tables over, plumber Marvaine Butts said McKinney was probably right to believe she had been singled out by the officer because of her race. "I understand where she's coming from as far as the racial profiling," Butts said. "I get plenty of that." He, like McKinney and Owens, is black.

3. Khalil King, a businessman, said he wasn't sure he would vote for her again. "I just feel like she's overreacting," said King, who is black.

4. This week, Georgia Republican Party Chairman Alec Poitevint called on (Secretary of State Cathy) Cox or (Lt. Gov. Mark) Taylor to publicly admonish McKinney. When they didn't, Perdue drove the point home.

So apart from the Republicans, only #3, one out of the 5 people in the findings, appear to be against what she did. Yet look at the headline.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-mckinney8apr08,0,264639.story?coll=la-headlines-politics