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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:05 PM
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Bandwagon jumpers: Caution!
Now with Kerry as the frontrunner, you do have to realize that his support is extremely soft, and with the media guns focusing on Kerry, Kerry will do poorly tomorrow. As a matter of fact, I am seeing that in the Western states polling (AZ, NM, OK) that Kerry might even lose. No delegates either.

Clark and Dean are prepared to collect the delegates and it will be Clarks turn on the spotlight next week while Kerry's Kash dries up. In fact, he won't be able to afford to spend much money any longer and get himself into huge debt.

You guys are in for a surprise this week.

I predict a "I'm switching from Kerry to so and so" on Wednesday. That is bandwagon jumping, folks and you will see that happen soon.

Hawkeye-X
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:07 PM
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1. Kerry's Cash and Endorsements will keep increasing as he keeps winning
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Althion Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:45 PM
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9. That's probably true
Special Interests will likely come out of the closet to support him.
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 02:45 AM
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24. BOOKMARK THIS THREAD
I'm wondering when reality will FINALLY settle in.
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ProudToBeLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:13 PM
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2. hmmm interesting
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:16 PM
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3. Hey Hawkeye!
:hi:

I don't know that the media's toll on Kerry will take place before the elections tomorrow, but like you, I don't see him getting a lot of support in the West. (Caveat: I said that about Iowa too and was shocked.)

Yet the media will catch up with him sooner or later, if their recent behavior is any indication.

What Western state polls have you seen?
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Kathleen04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:18 PM
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4. Ooo...
"Clarks turn on the spotlight next week while Kerry's Kash dries up"..what do you see in your crystal ball, Hawkeye? :)
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:19 PM
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5. Look at NY Times article just posted on Kerry's big crowds in West
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:23 PM
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8. Dean/Clark I think
or was it Clark/Dean? Shucks, the ball has gone dark again.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:20 PM
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6. your post is the complete opposite
of what Im hearing on the radio in SC. All I hearing is Kerry will win 3 states. I guess I will find out tomorrow.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:21 PM
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7. who thinks like that?
Is your support for Dean contigent on whether he wins delegates tomorrow?
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:48 PM
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10. Kerry is favored in the national polls
Not just over the Democrats, but over Bush as well.

Kerry is not my first choice, but it would be stupid to write him off at this point.

It's possible his momentum may be unstoppable.
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MurikanDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 12:06 AM
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11. You are making this up!
Kerry is polling ahead by double digits in at least 4 of the 7 states tomorrow. He is not doing poorly.

There's one that Clark is doing well in, I hope he wins.

SC is a dead heat between Kerry and Edwards. I hope Edwards does well.

Kerry's support is soft? He gets more endorsements every day. His poll numbers increase every day, against Bush as well as the other candidates.

This is just wishful dreaming on your part.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 12:15 AM
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13. Not what I am seeing
I have some VERY reliable information that Kerry will lose most, if not all states tomorrow to either Clark or Edwards with Dean a 2nd with hovering at 15%.

You forgot New Mexico absentee ballots was returned at about 22K, most of them are likely Dean supporters and AZ will reject Kerry because they will see him as a true flake and copycat.

Hawkeye-X
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MurikanDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 12:25 AM
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17. So why do you post this elusive information and let us examine
it for ourselves? I think it's baloney.

Kerry is not going to lose every state tomorrow with double digit leads in most of them the night before.

You have NO way of knowing sealed absentee ballots are most likely votes from Dean supporters.

You won't provide any proof because you have none.

I'll be anxious to find this thread tomorrow.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 01:47 AM
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20. The information is from the insiders
I am privy to some info that is not normally seen by the pollsters.
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MurikanDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 01:49 AM
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22. Uh huh
Okay, right.

So Kerry is going to lose every state tomorrow. We'll see soon enough.

Nite.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 01:23 AM
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36. I thought the Dean campaign shunned insiders
Edited on Wed Feb-04-04 02:16 AM by ZombyWoof
Neel notwithstanding.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 01:22 AM
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35. AZ went for Kerry big time
In a BIG way. Those absentee ballots didn't materialize for Dean any more than the independent NH swing voters did.

The "VERY reliable information" turned out to be a bust. Dean is toast.
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bhunt70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 01:23 AM
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37.  hey some great sources you have there.,..
Go clark!
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 12:17 AM
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14. Here is a fun fact..
Endorsements aren't permanent. Dean lost one, Kerry gained one and the endorsers can jump the bandwagon.

Hawkeye-X
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 12:19 AM
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15. This would be interesting then
Will keep all of us Dem supporters on our toes and battle tested before Rove can touch any of us.

Voting tomorrow for Dean with two of my family members. We won't win the state but that's okay.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 01:20 AM
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18. I people find themselves supporting a candidate 'cause it's fashionable
Kerry, Clark, Dean or whomever, they need to take a long, hard look at their priorities.
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ShadowCabinet Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 01:28 AM
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19. Me-tooism is running rampant concerning frontrunners
It's amazing the number of Kerry supporters that magically materialized here on DU as well. Prior to Iowa, the debates raging here on the boards were primarily between Dean and Clark supporters. You could count the Kerry and Edwards folks on one-hand. Now with Iowa and NH behind us all these folks now "found" a candidate to support.

There's a herd-mentality going on, fostered by the media about getting on the Kerry wagon. I for one am not ready to hitch my star to that wagon. Not just yet..........
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 01:48 AM
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21. Wonderful post!
Welcome to DU! :toast:
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ShadowCabinet Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 02:40 AM
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23. Thanks!
It's amazing that with only 2 weeks passing from the Iowa caucuses, suddenly the pack has been cleared and we're all supposed to jump on-board with the current front-runner.

I'm not ready to consider any candidate a front-runner until Super-Tuesday in March when states like CA and NY begin to weigh-in. Then the smoke will have cleared and a truer picture will emerge.

Declaring Kerry the frontrunner is the ultimate chutzpah after the drubbing the Dean and Clark supporters got for suggesting the same for their candidates.
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 02:53 AM
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25. Agree, ShadowCabinet....
Welcome to DU!:pals:
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:07 AM
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27. I think you're mistaken about that. The Kerry & Edwards

supporters have been here all along, just like us Kucinich supporters, but the Dean and Clark posters are larger groups that can keep a thread going longer.

Kerry's wins, and Edwards's strong showings, in Iowa and NH gave their supporters something new to talk about at DU, something that everyone else had to acknowledge as well. A lot of Dean supporters seem to have gone MIA, but I haven't seen this bandwagon effect you're talking about. I think people at DU are staying with their candidates for the primary.

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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 03:42 AM
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26. I don't think it's as much a matter of bandwagon jumping as it is . . .
Edited on Tue Feb-03-04 03:43 AM by OneBlueSky
a matter of attention . . . prior to Iowa, the only people paying attention were political junkies like us . . . now joe and jane sixpack are starting to tune in, and they're looking for the candidate who can beat Bush . . . what they see is:

- Sharpton coming across as too radical;
- Kucinich coming across as too flakey;
- Lieberman coming across as too Republican;
- Edwards coming across as too young; and
- Dean coming across as too inexperienced . . .

that leaves Kerry and Clark as the candidates receiving serious consideration from the majority of primary voters who are just now beginning to pay attention . . . and Kerry has the edge because of the perception that Clark is a johnny-come-lately, and because Kerry has a lot of campaign experience that Clark doesn't have . . .

and that's why Kerry is the frontrunner . . .
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 05:41 AM
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28. Extremely soft?
I don't think so. I predict Kerry winning all but SC today. Clark will sink back into obscurity where he belongs. I would love to see Dean do well but I'm not holding my breath.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 08:08 AM
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29. You want to bet? If you lose, you can't post anymore anti-Kerry threads.
.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:44 AM
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30. No thanks on the bet. Smart guy that HawkeyeX n/t
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:56 AM
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31. well, so much for that theory.
lololol
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 01:00 AM
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32. I predict
that 97% of all DU predictions turn out to be amusingly wrong.

For example, "Dennis is going to drop out" is so wrong. Sic semper predictions.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 01:00 AM
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33. Damn, I would find some other insiders privy to super secret information
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 01:33 AM
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40. LOL!
It's that Skull and Bones thing, man.
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BruinAlum Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 01:18 AM
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34. So you are privy to very reliable insider information, huh?
Kerry won 5 out of 7 states, that's hardly a poor showing. I think you made a foolish prediction.

I saw your other thread this morning with more false information about Kerry saying he loaned his campaign money so he could pay himself back with interest. That was quickly proven to be false and then the thread suddenly disappeared.

I don't think I'll take anything I see from you too seriously.
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bhunt70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 01:24 AM
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38. maybe he meant his sources were in the privy
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BruinAlum Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 02:13 AM
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42. More like his sources were in the biffy
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nightperson Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 01:32 AM
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39.  Kerry support "extremely soft"?
Edited on Wed Feb-04-04 01:44 AM by secondtermdenier
:tinfoilhat: :thumbsdown: :nuke: :eyes: :tinfoilhat: :nuke: :eyes: :tinfoilhat: :nuke: :eyes: :tinfoilhat: :nuke: :eyes: :tinfoilhat: :nuke: Kerry support hard like rock.
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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 02:10 AM
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41. Totally wrong Hawk
Wishful thinking I guess.
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