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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 04:56 PM
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Reagan Can't Save the Republicans
Reagan Can't Save the Republicans

By Nick Gier, Citizen Journalist 4-22-06


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With Bush's negative polls in the mid-30s with no hope of recovery, there is no talk, serious or otherwise, about a Bush dynasty. At Republican fundraisers these days it is Ronald Reagan who is held up as the model president. Most of this is misdirected nostalgia because Reagan never fit the conservative Republican mold, especially the one that is current today.

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There was a significant difference between the political agenda of Reagan’s early backers and many of his Republican heirs today: there were no religious or moral issues. Armand Deutsch, an early California supporter, said that “people around Ronnie cared about the economy, the loss of American power around the world. We did not talk about marijuana or gay rights and those things.” Even today Republicans who run for major offices in California consistently lose on these issues.

The Reagans did not attend church, and if they had a religion it was decidedly New Age. The most embarrassing fact about the Reagan presidency is that the First Lady set her husband’s schedule according to the signs of the Zodiac. Of the three ideals of the Republican Right—God, Country, and Family—Reagan was passionate about only one of these.

The achievements of Reaganomics are grossly exaggerated. Remember the promises of supply side economics and its “trickle down” theory? Twenty-two years later the gulf between rich and poor America has widened not narrowed. Adjusted for inflation, the wages of middle class Americans are now falling rather than increasing.

After getting his first tax cut through Congress, the man who taught Americans to loathe liberals, hate taxes and government that they support, raised taxes, not once but several times. Contrary to his pale shadow now in the White House, Reagan had enough sense to realize that his tax cuts did not raise sufficient revenues, but he still produced the second largest budget deficits in history.

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http://www.newwest.net/index.php/main/article/7947/

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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 05:02 PM
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1. Good point about the Reagans and religion...
I hadn't even considered that point.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 05:05 PM
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2. These decades-old threads are braided together, and so insightfully.
Except for the bombing of Libya, Reagan was not much of a hawk on terrorism either. Far more Americans died from terrorist attacks under Reagan than did under Clinton, and Reagan shipped supplies to Saddam Hussein, with Rumsfeld's advise, for the chemical weapons that he used against the Kurds.

The Reagan administration also openly supported the terrorist acts against the democratically elected government in Nicaragua. Instead of supporting moderates in Afghanistan, Reagan gave billions of dollars to the radical Islamists who now have an international network and are seeking our destruction.

Even though he raised taxes, Reagan’s mantra of “less government, less taxes” has been so ingrained in the electorate that conservative Republicans may destroy the very basis of American civilization as we know it. Public services, schools and universities are now so under funded that they may never recover, and I predict that a united Europe and highly educated, well trained Asians will surpass us in the 21st Century.

Even though Reagan’s instincts were such that he could anticipate some of the dangers of rigid ideology, there are still far too many chilling parallels between him and our current president. Both are simple minds trying to operate in an increasingly complex world, one that cannot be divided between us, cowardly Europeans, and the Evil Ones. We have made enormous contributions as a nation, but we should never fool ourselves that we somehow are exceptional, and certainly not God’s chosen instrument to save the world.


http://www.newwest.net/index.php/main/article/7947/
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 05:05 PM
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3. Ray-Gun started the (so-called) War on Drugs
so any of that garbage about not being concerned with moral issues is bs.

Remember the Edwin Messe Commission on Pornography?

That was a Ray-Gun era fav, too.

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bonzotex Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 08:55 AM
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7. Actually, the WOD goes back to Nixon...
St Ronnie just poured a record amount of fresh cash down that rathole.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 01:35 PM
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11. it became 'sloganized' under ray-gun, though
in 1985. I remember coming back to my apartment after class and see the headline (in 48pt type): "Reagan declares War on Drugs".

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 05:28 PM
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4. interesting point about ronny and religion
his father and brother were alcoholics , catholic, and democrats while his mother was a protestant who preached to the inmates in jail.according to my dad, ronny wans`t very religious nor political but did attend his mothers church. the members of his mom`s church put up money for him to go to college. today the church is the most liberal in town.
my dad told me a lot about the lad..
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 07:01 AM
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5. kick
:kick:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 07:35 AM
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6. Damn, this is a good read! Kicked and heartily recommended.
This is a REALLY good read, especially for history buffs. And the analysis, I think, is spot-on.

Simple minds trying to function in an increasingly complex world. Man, isn't THAT the truth.
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bonzotex Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 09:00 AM
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8. Ronnie. Most over-rated President.
Thanks for the great link! Great summary of RR.

When talking to disgruntled Republicans, many will hearken back to the halcyon days of St Ronnie. It's always good to point out all of the Reagan era foolishness and revisionist history. Republican policies were bad and just have gotten more disastrous.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 09:39 AM
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9. Here's even more incisive analysis by Mr. Gier:
All the presidents from 1792 to 2000 ran up $1.01 trillion in debt, a good deal of that accrued during Reagan's term. Under Bush the debt has increased $1.05 trillion and he still wants more tax cuts.

The real economic miracle happened in the second Clinton administration, whose budget surpluses have now been squandered by a Reaganite who believes that “staying the course” on the economy and Iraq is somehow a virtue.
The polls at the end of their second terms show Clinton more popular than Reagan. I surmise that Americans found that secretly selling arms to a Muslim enemy was much more alarming than pulling an intern’s thong.



There is one major difference between Reagan and Bush. Reagan turned against his hawkish advisors—Perle, Wolfowitz, and Rumsfeld—and decided to negotiate with the Soviet rather than duke it out with them. At the 1986 Reykjavik Summit, Reagan’s aids were furious that he and Gorbachev had initially agreed to total disarmament. The deal fell through when Reagan refused to give up Star Wars.



The record is now clear that the real reason for the demise of the Soviet Union is the fact that we initiated every single step in the arms race and the Soviet’s clumsy economy simply couldn’t keep up. (The more money that went to new weapons meant less prosperity for the long suffering Russians.) It is a significant fact that the alleged threat of Star Wars did not produce an equivalent increase in Soviet military budgets in that area.

Jean Kilpatrick, Reagan’s UN ambassador, claimed that it was better to support right-wing authoritarian regimes than Communist totalitarian governments, because the former could change with our help but the latter would never change.
It turns out that Reagan was asking the wrong person when he challenged Gorbachev to tear down the Berlin Wall. Contrary to Reagan’s neo-conservative philosophers, the Soviet Union and its Eastern European allies, on the initiative of their own people, collapsed within several years.

No one won the Cold War because Gorbachev and Reagan agreed to end it peacefully and diplomatically. As Vladislav M. Zubok, Temple University historian, states: “It was Reagan the peacemaker, not the cold warrior, who made the greatest contribution to history.”



The author of this piece, Nick Gier, taught religion and philosophy at the University of Idaho for 31 years.

I will certainly look for his work more often. Thank you, Nick Gier.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 10:38 AM
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10. Reagan was the same propped up murdering clown Bush is.
What's the difference? He wasn't afraid of horses?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 05:39 AM
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12. Many in the GOP still admire Reagan, but I always thought he was
a callous man.

I don't think his romanticized memory can rescue Dubya from a disastrous presidency.

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