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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-06-06 06:01 PM
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THE SLUMBER PARTY
By Nancy Greggs

Apparently Arlen Specter rolled out of bed recently and started making noises about President Bush possibly having over-stepped his bounds. My first thought was that Arlen “Rip van Winkle” Specter had just woken up and looked at the latest polls.

I realized immediately that this sleepy demeanor has been rampant in the Republican party of late. I don’t know what it is, but someone should page Dr. Sanjay Gupta and get a professional opinion, because it seems to be highly contagious.

Just a week ago, we heard GOP strategist Charlie Black explain that the president’s current poll numbers are the result of a ‘streak of bad luck’. It was a response that just smacked of something mumbled from under the blankets, a knee-jerk reaction to your roommate shaking you out of a sound sleep, demanding to know why you haven’t paid your share of the rent in six months.

I don’t know how long Charlie was dozing, but he should have had a couple of strong cups of joe while thinking up a more plausible reason for that 32% and falling approval rating.

Mary Matalin is another case in point. Her remark about the Administration having to get their ‘mojo’ back leads me to conclude she conked out somewhere in the late ‘sixties. I wonder if she’ll be on any of the talk shows this Sunday, decked out in a dashiki, describing the current state of the nation as ‘totally groovy’.

That brings us to Senator Bill Frist’s latest faux-pas-de-jour, the $100 rebate relief to citizens who are being crushed by current prices at the pump. Now, there’s one of those not-so-bright ideas you expect to hear from a man in his bathrobe, caught off-guard at the front door by reporters as he groggily reaches for the morning newspaper.

I strongly suspect that the Good Doctor has been snoozin’ since the days when a hundred samolians bought more than one frappaccino at Starbuck’s and a copy of “Blind Trust Management for Dummies”. Perhaps he nodded off while watching some old videos, and drowzily mis-diagnosed the economy as being alive and well – right along with his presidential aspirations.

Listening to Don Rumsfeld this week, I am convinced he’s been sleepwalking for several decades now. What else could account for his being totally unaware of new-fangled inventions like videotape and the internetz. While he continues to insist that he never said what he said, some hapless White House intern is going to have sit Rummy down and explain to him that his “I know EXACTLY where the WMDs are” clip has aired more often than reruns of “M.A.S.H”. I don’t know what his reaction will be, but the phrase ‘rude awakening’ springs to mind.

As I’ve said, this GOP sleeping sickness is rampant. In an attempt to distance themselves from this disastrous administration, we’re now hearing Republicans saying that Bush is not acting like a true conservative. Did they just notice the deficit, or the mammoth size of the government, in the past week? I realize those budget hearings can put anyone to sleep, but I figured the national debt number was in the wake-the-dead range eons ago.

And who’s asleep at the switch in the press department these days? Porter Goss resigns, and apparently no one was awake long enough to turn on the fully-automated propaganda catapult. And nary a word about wanting to spend more time with the family, a phrase so ingrained, you’d think it would roll easily off the tongue of a WH spokesman even if he was in a coma.

If you still doubt that our loyal opposition is now The Slumber Party, you haven’t heard their latest talking points as we head into the mid-term elections. Yuppers, Family Values – that fine old chestnut someone found scrawled on a post-it note stuck to their computer, written before they drifted off into the Land of Nod in the early days of the Bush regime.

With millions of uninsured Americans worrying about disappearing jobs, out-of-control personal debt, the price of gas and heating fuel, the war in Iraq, and the possibility of a conflict with Iran, nothing will get the vote out like the threat of Bob and Jim getting married at a flag-burning ceremony. Now, tell me that campaign strategery wasn’t thought up by people who are still waiting for the No-Doze to kick in.

I think hitting the Clinton snooze-button on the GOP alarm clock has been partially to blame for Republican sleepy-headedness. Blaming Bill for the current price of oil, or civil war in Iraq, can always get you an extra five minutes of shut-eye before you have to come up with something a little more substantial. But maybe they dream about the good old days as they catch another forty winks – peace, prosperity, an unspent surplus – which would certainly account for their reluctance to wake up and smell the coffee.

It’s just a theory, folks. But being dead asleep for the past five-plus years explains a lot about the current state of affairs, doesn’t it?

Well, as they say: You snooze, you lose. The snoozin’ doesn’t seem to be over yet, but the losin’ part is just about to begin. And I’m more than happy to let sleeping dogs lie.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-06-06 06:07 PM
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1. Another enjoyable smackdown from you,Nance! Thanks!
:hi:
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-06-06 06:50 PM
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6. Thanks, Babylonsister!
:hi:
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-06-06 06:08 PM
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2. No need for No-Doze here.
Nice work, Nance!
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-06-06 06:21 PM
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3. Asleep or afraid to speak?
I think many of the Repugs and most of the media know what is going on but are afraid to speak up. I truly believe that if enough people come forth and start talking, there will be an explosion of others who were too fearful of this administration to speak their minds. Even many of the citizens have been afraid to complain, but once they found out they were not the only ones who were scared, their concerns came tumbling out like apples spilling from an overturned basket.

We voice our concerns to each other, but think of the average citizen who is so wrapped up in their little world--trying to make enough money to put food on the table, they don't have time to try to unravel this complicated web we look at and try to analyze everyday. Not everyone has the opportunity to visit sites like DU. When I first began to lurk on DU, I couldn't believe how far-fetched some of your ideas were, but in looking back and reading through your sources to back up your beliefs, I could see we were being bamboozled, big time.

So, my take is that not everyone is on the same wavelength as those of us who are closely following and unraveling everything that happens EVERY DAY. I think that some senators and reps couldn't get their minds around the dirty tricks, either, and are just now waking up to the fact that they've been had. If nothing else gets to them, the violation of the Constitution certainly will.

Hopefully, the floodgates are about to open and we can sit back and watch the show. JMVHO
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-06-06 06:37 PM
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4. Some very good points.
Keep your eye on the floodgates. The truth is gonna come boiling through, very soon.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-06-06 06:49 PM
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5. Agreed. And if I get my pick on what impending scandal ...
... will bring this Administration down, I'm betting on the hookers-for-political-hire story.

Nothing grabs the attention of the heretofore sleeping masses like SEX. Even FAUX won't be able to resist 24-7 coverage.

And what perfect irony, after what these people did to Clinton!
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-06-06 07:34 PM
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7. yes.
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Ernest Partridge Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 04:31 PM
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33. Those "Floodgates"
Don't you DARE "sit back and watch the show!"

Get out there and help pry those floodgates open.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-06-06 07:44 PM
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8. You have been on the warpath lately, Nance!
I like it! Caveat, just as long as I am not on the receiving end of your wrath, that is!
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:04 AM
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18. Never happen, acmejack!
And by the way, LOVE your sig line!
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-06-06 08:43 PM
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9. Spector's office all-but-guarenteed me that they would put
Gonzalez under oath. They didn't.


Don't believe this half hearted stuff from Specter. I learned my lesson!
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-06-06 11:17 PM
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13. As I said in the first paragraph ...
... he woke up and looked at the latest polls. I didn't say he developed a conscience; just a sense of panic when he looked at the numbers. Nothin' motivates a Republican like falling poll numbers ...
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 05:41 PM
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35. yeh, my comment was for lurkers who needed even more info.
Love reading your posts by the way.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-06-06 08:55 PM
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10. A fine piece of writing ...

Brilliant, I'd say. K&R.

:kick:

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Blutodog Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-06-06 09:10 PM
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11. Nice piece but wrong
The sheep that make up the core of the party are still jumping over fences as we speak all to the tune of their masters. As for the rest of us were irrevelant. Karl Rove and his buddies at Diebold et al. have figured out a hundred ways to make sure our votes whomever we cast them for will always end up electing whomever Bu$hCo need in office at any given moment. That's why they slumber because they know as long as their side is counting the votes the rest of us can get as pumped up and as excited about the next election (selection) cycle as we want because it doesn't mean a thing. The one's sleeping soundly in denial are the DC Demos and their cadre of writers and pundits who think we still live in a democracy. I got news for them democracy real democracy ended on Dec. 12th 2000 ( the day the SCOTUS selected "W" as our first Emperor) and ever since we have been descending into a Roman style Imperium complete with a phony facade of representative Gov't just as Rome had. That's right just as Rome had. Most people don't realize or know Roman history to know that the Emperors were selected and Rome still had a Senate and people still voted etc. for hundreds of years after the Republic ended. Of course it was all just for show kind of like what we see happening here right in front of our face. So the sleepers aren't the Rethugs folks it's US. When many of us finally awake it will be too late in fact it's may already be too late.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 12:28 AM
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15. First of all, welcome to DU, Blutodog!
Edited on Sun May-07-06 12:34 AM by NanceGreggs
I don't normally take on my fellow DUers, but I've just been in a mood lately. So don't take this personally, because it's not meant on a personal level by any any means. After all, we're all family here.

You have expressed your opinion, which is what DU is all about. But I'm really losing patience with the 'all is already lost' attitude I see cropping up too often for comfort.

We are a nation of three hundred million people. The representatives in the Congress and the Senate, both Democrats and Republicans, number in the hundreds. The last time I checked, that put We The People in the vast majority.

I'm probably a lot older than you. I grew up in a time when 'negroes' would always sit in the back of the bus, when women could never be anything other than housewives, when soldiers would fight in Viet Nam until totally victory was ours. I didn't accept those things as etched in stone; I believed they could be changed. And they were.

You may have thrown in the towel, and that's your prerogative. But I'm not that easy. I'm an American, and I'll be damned if I'm going to give up one iota of my birthright as a citizen.

It's obvious that you are an astute student of ancient Roman history, which is admirable. You might want to check out American history while you're at it. There are some fascinating tales there, about a bunch of disorganized 'colonists' who could never, in a million years, defeat what was then the greatest empire on the face of the earth.

But they did -- hey, go figure!

Well, 'nuff said, gotta run. I've got a load of over-taxed tea to dump in the harbour. It may seem like a small gesture, but you never know what great things may come of it ...


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Blutodog Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 08:27 AM
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25. Your doing just what they want:
None of you seem to understand were no longer in Kansas. We are living in an Imperial state were an Imperial gang Bu$hCo counts your votes. Go ahead march around write your wonderful dissenting blogs, articles , books they don't give a shit. Ask yourself how is it with all the crap Bu$hCo has pulled that he now has even more power? Ask yourself why are they so non-plussed? Because they have such an edge with the electronic control of much of the voting and with the rigged re-districting and 100 other tricks to deny US the vote that even with 32% of the electorate ( the same 32% Hitler had) they are transforming America in front of our eyes into a fascist state. Add to all of this the sobering fact that we are probably one more real or "rigged" terrorist attack away from a total Dictatorship complete with full spectrum suppression of dissent. The camps are being built as we chat and the laws are written for all of this to easily occur when the moment presents itself.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:06 PM
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27. Sorry, Blutodog ...
... but I'm not letting that one slide.

Firstly, I am wondering why Republicans bother raising and investing millions of dollars in their campaigns, or go to the trouble of swiftboating, engaging in smear tactics against opponents, spend untold dollars on buying media and print ads, etc., if they KNOW they're going to win every election by rigging voting machines. I mean, why bother?

Why bother defending themselves against allegations of corruption, or conduct perceived to be immoral by their constituents, if the views of the voters don't matter? Why get nervous when Bush's poll numbers drop? Why change tacks in order to get those numbers back up again?
Seems like a collosal waste of time for people who are (according to you) completely running the show.

I, for one, find this whole 'they're building prison camps for all of us' thing completely tiresome. Especially when the people promoting this paranoia are the same people who seem to have completely accepted it as their unavoidable destiny. I never hear people like you yelling. "Hey, they're coming to get us - let's DO something about it!" I guess you're all busy packing suitable clothing to wear to the concentration camps, because as long as that's where you're headed anyway, you may as well look your best as you are complacently marched along without a fight.

We are no longer in Kansas? Actually, we are -- and we're in California, New York, Arkansas, Iowa, etc., just as we've always been, just as we always will be, ready to fight the BushCos, the Diebolds, the corrupt politicians, and those who would challenge what we as a nation stand for.

So feel free to stand on the sidelines while the rest of us take action. It's your country, too, whether you're ready to stand up for it or not.

By the way, one last question: If you (along with the rest of us) are doomed and have no choice but to accept the inevitable march to the camps, why are you wasting your time posting on political websites? What could possibly be the purpose of that? You offer no sense of resistance to what you percieve to be incredible evil, no alternative way of thinking, so really - why bother?

Given your way of thinking, wouldn't your time be better spent downloading some cool tunes to your I-Pod, so you have something snappy to listen to as you're being hauled away (NOT kicking and screaming)?

This site (DU) exists as a forum to exchange ideas for strengthening our country, and to discuss ways to put those ideas into action. I see you are a new poster here; you might want to check out other threads and see what is being done, what is being organized, what is being put into play by ordinary Americans who are mad as hell, and aren't about to go quietly into what you seem to think is inevitable doom.

If your only purpose for posting here is to tell everyone how useless their efforts are in righting the wrongs and undoing the damage that's already been done to our nation, I don't think you're going to find a very warm reception to that way of thinking.

Spreading the democratic word through writing letters, articles, books, through marching in the streets, attending rallies, and so on, may seem useless to you in terms of being able to accomplish positive change. But sitting on the sidelines yelling about how pointless those things are accomplishes nothing.

So don't look for me at the prison camp, Blutodog, because I won't be there.
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Blutodog Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:51 PM
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31. Condescending
Are you done lecturing me from on high yet? I was marching for Civil Rights and for Peace 40 yrs ago so please don't lecture me on peaceful resistance or on democratic activism. I'e been a democractic party activist for 35 ys. I've been through many a trying period in our Nat'l history and I've never been passive. What I'm trying to tell people in here is that this is time something is different. When Nixon was President we still had Congress and the SCOTUS as back ups and the Constitution was still enforce but things have changed. This group that's in power doesn't play by the old ground rules and we have to start thinking of different ways to defeat them. Have I given up HELL NO but I also have removed the blinders about where we are and how we have to take back our country. I believe our first priority has to be fixing the broken elections system starting with the electronic voting appart. It's fatally compromised and no patch is going to fix it. We need to return to a paper ballot a hard record of every vote has to be present. I'm a computer security analyst by Profession and I'm trying to tell you and the folks in here that we're being lead down a path that's ultimate goal is easy central control of all voting in this country through these devices. Were half the way there as of today. The elections of 2000, 2002,2004, 2005 all have severe problems involving these devices and it's going to get far worse if we don't STOP them. We ignore this issue at our peril! We can change this at the state level and 27 states are doing that right now. This then is where one of the frontlines of political and cultural battle is today in this country. If you have followed what Gov. Richardson just did to New Mexico's voting system and read what he's proposed as a fix you'll get a better idea of the direction this battle is heading. On the other side Calif. is falling into the darksides col. as the Govinnator and his flunkies try to install Diebold et. als. devices all over the state. So that's what I'm trying to add to this discussion. I'm not trying to tell people not to demonstrate or vote or write letters or organize. I'm just trying to make them aware that the risks and stakes are far higher then they've ever been and we cannot consider the present political situation as simply politics as usual because it's closer to political warfare then simply politics.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 03:36 PM
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32. If you took me to be condescending ...
... I guess I was just responding in kind to your posts.

"Go ahead march around, write your wonderful dissenting blogs, articles, books - they don't give a shit."

I really don't care if 'they' give a shit or not. My original post here was not meant to change the world. It was meant to be shared for its satire, and hopefully its humour. When 'they' act ridiculous, I enjoy pointing out that ridiculous behaviour - because people perceived as ridiculous hold far less sway than people perceived to be evil geniuses who are undefeatable.

I don't think you'll find anyone here on DU who is not aware that the stakes are high, that we are in a battle to reverse the course presently embarked upon by the present regime. We are all aware of rigged voting machines. There are forums here that discuss nothing else but that problem, and how to correct it. Hell, there are entire websites devoted to election reform. Do you honestly think you had to point that out, because it's news to us?

"We ignore this issue at our peril!" Who's ignoring it? Nobody here is ignoring ANYTHING about what's going on, from the gerrymandering of voting districts, to the complacency of the media, to the role being played by corporations in influencing domestic and foreign policy -- you name it, we're ON TO IT. And we are just one such website among thousands upon thousands that are also devoted to NOT IGNORING anything. (That's why we're here. If we were ignoring things, we wouldn't have logged-on in the first place.)

Don't make the mistake of thinking that when people poke fun or treat 'them' with ridicule, that means it's the ONLY thing they're doing. I am very active in many areas of political reform; that doesn't preclude me from having a sense of humour, and sharing it with my fellow Democrats.

One of the strongest weapons BushCo has weilded is fear - fear of terrorists, fear of losing your job, fear of running out of oil, fear of dissenting, fear of homosexuals, fear of non-Fundamentalist Christians, etc. (I'm waiting for fear of broccoli, but they haven't gotten to the vegetables yet).

So when I see someone, on this site or any other, talking about prison camps, inevitable dictatorship, Bush declaring himself president-for-life, and so on, I immediately think they've fallen in with 'them' in spreading fear.

And I am NOT AFRAID. Sorry, but what can I tell ya? Just don't seem to be capable of being intimidated into fearing everything to the point of immobility, acquiecsense -- and certainly not SILENCE.

So please don't lecture me about being condescending. I'm not the one who posted here based on the mistaken premise that we at DU need to be
educated about what's going on in our own country.

We are all paying very close attention to what's happening. And if you were paying attention to what we've been discussing here every day for years now, you would have known that WE KNOW.
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Blutodog Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 05:38 PM
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34. Opinion
I wasn't trying to educate anyone here. I was merely stating an opinion. But it seems tolerance for dissenting or differing opinions here is about as welcome as it is a RED STATE or Little Greenfootballs. EXCUSE ME!
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 06:40 PM
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36. You are more than welcome to express your opinion.
That is what each of us do here every day. Sometimes we disagree violently; sometimes we challenge each other's way of thinking. Sometimes we agree completely, and support and/or add factual context to each other's arguments. That is what this website is all about.

And there is much room for educating each other. There are DUers whose ability to research everything from statistics to legal precedent is downright mind-blowing. There are others who have an almost supernatural talent for ferreting out news items that the mainstream media either misses through laziness, or chooses to dismiss because they have a political agenda of their own. These people educate and inform us on an ongoing basis, for which each of us is truly grateful.

What I took issue with was not your opinion, but the fact that you chose to express it by insinuating, in no uncertain terms, that we DUers are ignorant of the facts. Nothing could be further from the truth - and, as I said earlier, if you took the time to look into our other forums, discussion groups, activist groups, etc., you would have known that from the outset.

I must add that I am always suspicious of posters who choose a thread obviously premised on one thing, in order to pick a bone about something else entirely. As we speak, there are dozens of serious discussions going on right here at DU about how to combat election fraud, how to organize, how to stem the tide of neo-conservatism, how to force the media into being more responsible - the list is almost endless. I know, because I partake in those discussions every day.

Therefore, I question your motives, sir, in choosing this particular discussion thread to promote -- well, whatever it is you're trying to promote. You've been so contradictory, I am not sure at this juncture what your intended purpose is, or was. But I do have my suspicions.

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Blutodog Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:29 PM
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37. Suspicons?
About what? I'm just your average citizen trying to point out a few of my concerns here that's about it. I don't spend all my time reading in all these different areas in here you have talked about. Plus, this isn't the only political site I visit and take part in. My motives are purely informational and nothing else. As to your point about fear I agree fear is indeed the No. 1 weapon of the BuShiviks and they have welded it too great effect. I like you DO NOT live in fear of these people to the contrary I fight them locally whenever I get an opportunity. As I said I am a long time fighter for social and economic justice and I sincerely hope we can somehow wrest control of atleast one of the branches of Gov't back from this "evil" regime.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:28 PM
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38. Hi, Blutodog .. I'm glad you came back.
We've started off on the wrong foot here, so let's try to rectify that. It's obvious that politically, we are very much on the same side.

The reason I said I had my 'suspicions' is well-founded. Too often, a thread like this is interupted with a post that seems inappropriate for the subject at hand, e.g. a thread where we're all having a laugh at the GOP's expense is suddenly turned into a rant about election fraud, or a very serious discussion is interupted with an inappropriate joke.

Sometimes that is just the result of someone logging-on to a particular thread when they have something else on their mind (which is what I think happened here). But all too frequently, it is someone deliberately trying to be disruptive. That is why I flew off the handle, as it were, when you started carrying on -- seemingly out of nowhere -- about things that didn't have anything to do with my original post.

We all have our ways of attacking this administration, and more often than not, I turn to satire. My article was meant not only to elicit a laugh or two, but to point out how pathetic the GOP talking points have become. When you put Bush's plummeting poll numbers down to 'bad luck', or when someone like Porter Goss resigns and there is no forthcoming propaganda being catapulted to explain it away, you know there's something else brewing behind-the-scenes -- and it spells trouble for the Republicans.

And I freely admit that discussions about prison camps and BushCo making plans to suspend the next presidential election send me over the top. I'm sorry, but I don't believe those things are even remote possibilities. It's not that I have that much faith in the political system; it's that I DO have that much faith in my fellow citizens not to sit back quietly and allow any of that to transpire -- now, or ever.

That's not to say there aren't very real problems facing us right now, and I believe those should be attacked head-on. And, as you have said, election fraud is one of the most troubling.

Again I would encourage you to check out our election reform forums here at DU, or get involved in the dozens of discussion threads that are invariably ongoing where that topic is being discussed. Your past experience with political activism, coupled with your present accumen with computer systems, would make your participation an invaluable asset there.

If I have misjudged you, or your motives, I sincerely apologize. We at DU tend to be suspicious of new participants, because we've been 'Freeped' (a phrase you will become more than familiar with here) by Bush supporters who log-on for the sole purpose of disrupting our discourse, or gathering information.

Can we start over?
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Blutodog Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 06:21 PM
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41. No need to apologize !
Thank you for taking the time to thoughtfully step back and reflect on our discourse. I in retrospect didn't take the time to realize exactly what you were doing in that first post. Anyway, no harm done. I've actually been coming to this site for years but haven't done much in the way of posting till the last year for some reason? I find that this site has a refreshingly different pace then KOS or MyDD or Smirking Chimp and a unique interface. Keep up the good work and once again thanks for welcoming me. I'll try and add something of interest now and then to the conversation.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 07:00 PM
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42. Thank you for being kind enough to say no apology ...
... is necessary. Because it is, and I DO apologize.

As for: "I'll try and add something of interest now and then to the conversation," I have no doubt that you will.

I agree about DU being at a 'refreshingly different pace' than a lot of other sites. And I've also been amazed at some of the non-political forums here, as well.

My husband is a photography nut, and he recently joined the Photography Forum here. Some of the work posted there is truly amazing! I only mention that because I think it's important we keep in mind that the people who post here regularly, as well as being passionate about politics, are also talented in so many other areas of endeavour.

That's one of the things I love about DU - a sense of REAL people discussing REAL issues, people who go about their daily lives, pursue their vocations and avocations, and still take the time to notice and comment on what's going on in the country.

And I can't get enough of those anecdotal stories that are posted here, e.g. "My Bush-loving neighbour just called him a lying scumbag," or, "My diehard Republican father-in-law just announced he's voting Democratic in November."

I trust that kind of thing more than I do the poll numbers - it's heartening to know that people are finally waking up to the real agenda that drives BushCo.

While I agree that election fraud has been a major problem, I am encouraged that we are surpassing the "Beyond Diebold" threshold in many local races. Katherine Harris is a case-in-point; even her twin messiahs, Jeb Bush & No-Paper-Trail voting machines, can't save her now. She's being nudged by her own party to leave the race. When an election is close, it can be easily manipulated. But when it starts looking like 25-75, even BushCo knows they can't sell a sudden 'win' for Ms. 25% to the voters and get away with it.

As I said in my earlier post, I have much less confidence in politicians than I do in my fellow citizens. And when I look at the ordinary-guy-on-the-street response to things like 9/11 and Katrina, I am reminded that my confidence is well-placed.

Looking forward to seeing you again (and often) in the discussion threads. And, hey! Don't be such a stranger!
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Blutodog Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 08:37 PM
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43. Awakening
The public was frozen with fear the first 2 yrs after 9/11 but now it's now well on the way to recovering from a deep case of Post-traumatic shock syndrome. If Bu$hCo is true to form it's going to do something before the fall in a desperation move to drive people back into that state of fear and awe. I hope I'm dead wrong on this but I will never forget that fri.right before 2004 when OBL suddenly appearred. I'm hoping at this pt. Bu$hCo has burned out the fear button in most people's heads. I think Katrina was the pivotal event in Bu$hCo's slow but steady unraveling. The whole country got a first hand look at how disinterested and clueless Bu$h really is and no amount of spin could reverse that impression. Add to that the daily drip drip drip of death in Iraq which like the infamous Chinese water torture has also slowly but relentlessly destroyed any credibility these creeps ever had. Still, they are so arrogant and full of hubris that amazingly they are once again beating the WAR drum and the MSM is going right along echoing their talking points. I don't know who disgusts me more at this pt. Bu$h or his cheerleaders in the MSM.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 08:31 PM
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44. They have to remain arrogant ...
... they've got nothing else left. They certainly don't have any successes or accomplishments to point to and say, "Yeah, but look at what we've done here."

I wish it happened sooner, but this entire neo-con empire is imploding on itself.

As we've discussed, fear was their number one weapon. Well, it's kind of hard to scare the average joe with the threat of terrorists, when his biggest fear is not having a job, or losing the one he has, getting sick after he's lost his health coverage, etc., not to mention the present fear of the price of gas getting to the point where people have to choose between food and putting enough gas in the car to get to and from work. And of course the irony is that this administration CREATED this very situation which makes their 'terra threats' totally innocuous by comparison.

If you've ever seen the movie 'Goodfellas', you'll remember the scene after they pull off the airport heist, and despite being warned not to flash the money around, they just can't help themselves and do it anyway. That's what has happened with this regime, IMHO; they're absolutely FLAUNTING the fact that they're on-the-take, that they've given billions of tax dollars to themeselves and their cronies -- and don't seeem to have ever thought about the fact that the average citizen was going to (a) notice, and (b) get REALLY pissed-off about it.

And of course there's THE BIG ONE, Katrina - there went any credibility for Bush et al 'protecting America'. We saw what he did - nothing. Add the Dubai ports deal to that, and Americans finally realize that 'protecting' us from terrorists, or anything or anyone else, is a lie.

It's gratifying to watch this administration making so many mis-steps these days, it's like they just keep tripping over their own feet.

If these guys honestly believe that another 'terra attack' is going to get the country rallied behind the president, they better think again. Americans will be storming the White House, demanding his head on a pike.

Ah, sweet irony - ya gotta LOVE IT!
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:50 PM
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30. To a point, I'll accept your "fascist state" line if you mean it in the
Corporatist sense. Otherwise, with all "DU" respect, I must say you're blowing smoke.

The threats you cite are real and worrying, certainly. But if you really think dissent and activism don't count for anything and aren't worth the bother, you don't have much of a grasp of American history.

Electoral corruption is as old as the Republic, as is the struggle against it. Suck it up, strategize and fight.

As to your checklist of apocalyptic fantasy, a few questions. Aren't things bad enough for you? Isn't what's in front of your face motivational enough for you? I accept and applaud your progressivism, but your need to portray things as even worse than they already are is mind-boggling. Your heart's in the right place, but your head's gone south.

America is going to be a "total Dictatorship"? That fat pustule Karl Rove is the Grim Reaper? It's all over? Come now.

What you're doing is falling in line with the blinkered millenarianism of the Christian hard right. Pack your bags, it's the End Times!

You may content yourself with this sort of eschatological nonsense, but you'll find very few other people here who are prepared to sign on to it. Probably because they're too busy fighting back.

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:13 AM
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20. My, my, what a cynic - try some decaf and relax
First off, Welcome to DU!
:toast:
:hi:
(my standard greeting for new members)

Things are looking up for regime change, my friend and here's why.

Karl is "otherwise occupied", town hall meetings and meaningless photo-ops are turning into PR nightmares, Iraq is still a giant cluster-fuck, the economy is in shambles, mysterious resignations are happening, the indictments still haven't ended yet, the Constitution is in serious danger of being made irrelevant and Commander Bunnypants is STILL the biggest idiot that's ever walked the White house halls.

And the funny part is, people are realizing it! Even with no discouraging words from the press or any minimal Woodward/Bernstein heroics, the people are starting to notice - we read from DUers daily about rock-ribbed Republicans turning away from this murderous cabal in no uncertain terms.

I'm beginning to see a light at the end of this long, dark tunnel. But it won't be easy. There's still lots to do. And there is the danger that they won't leave peacefully. :scared:

But you've got the right attitude. Welcome again and watch and listen.

The end is nigh.
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Seattleman Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-06-06 09:20 PM
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12. Arlen Sphincter
Never forget that Sphincter was the guy who came up with the "Single Bullet Theory" about the JFK assassination.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:41 AM
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21. Welcome aboard, Seattleman!
:hi:

I didn't forget about the single bullet theory. I'm sure Arlen would like to forget it, but nobody else has ...
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-06-06 11:57 PM
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14. Another
well written piece, thanks Nancy.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 12:39 AM
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16. Hey, vpilot!
Good to see ya (or read ya) again!

:hi:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 12:51 AM
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17. Excellent , as always, Nance
These new-fangled REcordin' thingies always confused the members of this august body of conservatives.

Next thing you know they'll be talking about two-way radios on your wrist like Dick Tracy!

Wake me up when this is over.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:09 AM
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19. 10-4, Good Buddy!
Maybe we should chip in and buy a CB radio for Rummy. Maybe he could get himself a CONVOY!
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 02:04 AM
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22. Nice work.
Let em lie? They don't know how to do anything else but lie.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 05:38 AM
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23. Methinks they've all been taking Ambien.
:hi:
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 06:13 AM
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24. That was a great read!
Thanks for that.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:24 PM
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29. You're welcome, Progs Rock!
And welcome aboard! :hi:
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spartan61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 11:52 AM
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26. Once again you hit a Home Run!!
Whenever I see your name as the author of a post, I know it will be an incredible read. Thanks for your wonderful words. May I share this as I did your previous post "Get Over It." I will be sure to give you the credit as the author and DU as the site where I read it. Anything you write really needs to be seen by as many people as possible.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:11 PM
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28. Of course, spartan61!
And as always, thanks for your kind words!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:35 PM
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39. What a great essay, Nance - this is superbly written and dead on criticism
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:40 PM
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40. An Excellent Piece, Ms. Greggs!
Beautiful work, Ma;am.
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