But honestly, when the guys poll numbers are tanking, how hard is it to make a stand against him....

I mean, The Dixie Chicks stood up when no one else would....

Bright Eyes went after Bush on Jay Leno when the Bush numbers were in the 60's...

Springsteen and REM went after him when he was still very popular...

But still, it's a little late now doncha think....

a trillion in debt....

2500 dead Americans....

Thousands of dead Iraqis....

Thousands of American soldiers mamed....

I'm just sayin'....

Any other popular and talented artist with an opinion should just shut up now. It's too late. :eyes:

It's just there is a hint of capitalizing on his sinking poll numbers....

Pink has made a career of chasing trends....

She released "Stupid Girls" as the first single, and off of the strength of that, her CD became a big seller on CD long before anyone heard "Dear Mr. President."

Once again, someone on DU has to attack and/or question the motives of ANYONE who takes a stand. While we sit here typing on our computers. I'm sick of it.

I work in politics...

I've been on the front lines since Jimmy Carter ran in 1976...

Beside being an American with the right of Free Speech....

I have earned my right to criticize and question the motives of anyone I care too...

I tap tap tap on here for relief...

BTW, the CD was released after he tanked....

I don't give a rats ass about what the first single was...

Tap tap tap all you like. If you come here for relief, you won't get any from me if you insist on questioning the motives of anyone who speaks out.

I thank you for your public service, but you act as if we've already won. We haven't. Now is not the time to throw baseless accusations out about people who are getting the message out, when the MSM still is not.

won....

I just made a comment questioning the lionization of perhaps an opportunistic pop star...

Ohio
lyrics by Neil Young

Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in Ohio.

Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are gunning us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?

Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are gunning us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?

Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in Ohio.

I'm just sayin'...
:eyes:

I'm not as knowledgeable about Pink, but I was disappointed with Neil Young speaking up so late in the game. I'm glad he's spoken up and is bringing attention, but, as you say, Springsteen, Dixie Chicks, John Mellencamp and others did so when it was very risky.

But, a little late is still better than not at all.

When Dennis Miller turns back into a liberal, then we'll know that Smirk has finally jumped the shark.

He built his iron maiden; now let him stew in it.

:toast:

One of Neil Young's new songs is Let's Impeach the President. That sounds like a damn fine idea to me. What's wrong with that sentiment?

And once he's impeached and thrown out of office, P!nk can kick his ass.

Provided Skittles doesn't beat her to it, that is.

But where was Mr. Young when Toby Kieth was going after the Dixie Chicks...

Maybe if Pink and Neil would have stood behind the Chicks....

Who knows....

If not, don't feel bad - there weren't any.

When Avril Lavigne flashed an anti-war T-shirt at the audience, the camera cut away from the frontal shot. On orders from the White House, I'll wager.

When Sheryl Crow performed, her guitar strap bore the message NO WAR. She was ordered to let her hair cover the strap.

Before we invaded Iraq, artists in America were intimidated into silence. Now some of them are finding their voices again.

But then again....

It is easy to put a finger in the air and then get out in front of a trend...

:crazy:
Man you hard to please
Dont do wrong
Do it also wrong

They are certainly doing the right thing....

But it smacks a little of what Thomas Paine called the Sunshine Patriot....

An act of defiance when all else are with you is hardly an act of great courage...

An act of defiance in the teeth of popular opinion is an heroic stance...

Like posting link to all your friends on the song since they doing something right.
Or standing at street corner and giving out the CDs

I think that is more POSITIVE
Than trying to belittle them here which is NEGATIVE

Are you looking at them and TURNING GREEN WITH ENVY cause they have the guts to do it.

Gee go away you little man.

Wheee me look at intention
And yours just not to my liking.

I love much of the man's music, but he is a jerk

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should keep quiet?

What are you saying?

I'm just saying maybe they don't deserve to be lionized.....

Some of us appreciate the artist's efforts to sing out. Sour grapes don't cut it. We appreciate your political efforts also. Happy now ?

just come out and say "Bush and Cheney! Out of the pool!" and tell them to quit or get impeached now, most of america would rally around and agree. Who is big enough to do this?

Some football players...

Some baseball players....

Some basketball players...

Bill Gates...

Some Country Singers...

Good question and probably deserving of its own thread.

Clint Eastwood? A more vocal Paul Newman (I know he is a liberal)? It does seem like we, as a society, are subdivided in such a way as to make finding any ONE celebrity to speak out to all of us nearly impossible.

I think we need a few freeper celebrities to leave the dark side. Arrrnold and Mel G. to name two.

...we're actually...

(take a deep breath, this is gonna hurt like a Tuol Sleng interrogation)

EIGHT TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT.

Told you it would hurt...

in deficits.....

Not in the debt....

I don't know what that is in Hong Kong dollars...

Now you want him gone or not?

Good for them to speak out,
You better pray it is enough.

Of course I want him gone....

:crazy:

Just maybe wondering where they were when the Chicks were facing the storm that almost ruined their careers....

give it back to them RIGHT IN THEIR FACE
What you think all the singers doing now?

What is this some kind of psy-op operation :crazy:

"activist"
He has written some brilliant songs, and I have stolen countless guitar moves from him, but Neil Young the man is a craven prick.

Everyone knows his stuff...

And everyone can join in when I toss off one of his tunes...

But I'm just making a point...

About his timing...

That's all...

Young has always been an opportunist

He never was one get out front of an issue....

Of course, there are always going to be some who are late to come around...

But I agree...Opportunists are suspect.....

What took them so long? :shrug:

That's all....

Just pointing' it out...

with your finger in the wind ...

http://www.lizziewestlife.com/music/06%2019%20Miles%20To%20Baghdad.mp3


press on.
dp

Culture being what it is, it's my opinion that any pop celebrity who decides to throw their weight behind anti-war, anti-Bush efforts deserves our support and gratitude that they're using what market power they have to sell the truth to the remaining 32% that have their fingers jammed in their ears.

I'm not going to buy the Pink CD, or any other. Music is a luxury we can't often afford right now. I can, however, appreciate her efforts and hope that maybe some people who listen to her might be persuaded to change what they think or believe. Likewise for Springsteen, Neil Young, etc.

IMO. We are the true majority of America, and everyone should be welcome - we have to work hard at letting go of our resentments and our pride at being right. We have to abandon the I-told-you-so attitudes. We MUST WELCOME CONVERTS with open arms, and put our resentments behind us.

I'm just sayin' they might have done more for the cause had they not waited until it was pretty much a done deal as far as popularity was concerned....

Earlier would have been better, but late is definitley better than not at all.

Same thing with people who voted for Bush and now regret it. I have seen them refered to very negatively on DU at times. IMO, anyone who is against the regime is welcome, no matter when they realized. Every last person who "gets it" makes a difference.

The people who supported Bush proved their way of thinking to be disastrous maybe they'll remember what they've learned.

Every silver lining has a cloud.

Now where'd I put my tail....

The White House always blames the governor
Saying the solution is to vote him out."
On top of that great bronze eagle
Sun's voice was loud and clear. She said,
"Power Co's working with the White House
to paralyze our state with fear."

BE THE RAIN
Save the planet for another day

Attention shoppers.

Buy with a conscience and save.

Save the planet for another day

Save Alaska!

Let the caribou stay.

Don't care what the governments say

They're all bought

and paid for anyway.

Save the planet for another day

Hey Big Oil!

What do you say?

We were runnin' through the night

Never knowin' if we would see the light

Paranoid schizophrenic visions

Livin in fear of the wrong decisions

We got to wake up

We got to keep goin'

If they follow us

There's no way of knowin'

We got a job to do

We got to save Mother Earth

Be the ocean when it meets the sky

You can make a difference.

If you really try.

Be the magic in the Northern lights

Six Days...

Six nights.

Be the river as it rolls along

It has three-eyed fish.

And it's smellin' strong.

Be the rain you remember fallin'

Be the rain.

Be the rain.

Yeah, rain was fallin' and we're soakin' wet

Hail is beatin' down on our heads

The wind is blowin' through our hair

Faces frozen in the frigid air

We got to get there

Alaska

We got to be there

Before the big machines

We got a job to do

We got to save Mother Earth

Dream the hunter on the western plain

The birds are all gone.

Where did they go?

Dream the fisherman in his boat

He's comin' home empty.

He's barely afloat.

Dream the logger in the great northwest

They're runnin' out of trees.

They got to give it a rest.

(There's no other way to cut it)

Dream the farmer in the old heartland

Corporate greed and chemicals

are killin' the land.

Next mornin' Sun was up at dawn

She looked around and Earth was gone

Dark visions he had last night

He needed peace, he needed light.

He heard the rumble and

He saw the big machines

The green army rose

It was a bad dream

He had a job to do

He had to save Mother Earth

Be the ocean when it meets the sky

Greek freighters are dumping

crap somewhere right now.

Be the magic in the northern lights

(The ice is melting!)

Be the river as it rolls along

Toxic waste dumpin'

from corporate farms.

Be the rain you remember fallin'

Be the rain.

Be the rain.

Save the Planet for another day

Be the rain.

Be the rain.

Be the river as it rolls along

Be the rain.

Be the rain.

Be the rain, be the rain

The music might reach the long slumbering unattentive audience that needs a wakeup call with a song,
Quit poo pooing and be glad for all voices.

The music and lyrics, if they're good, can't be forced. They come when they come. This is the moment in time when Young and Pink were able to do this, not before.

be real quiet about the fact they don't anymore. I mean, being anti-Bush is so, like, 2004. They have to be current or no chance at the Zeitgeist catwalk?

You're just saying you're selfish.

I'm not making excuses for him but he did have a brain anurism and was out of the picture for a while.

I've been calling the Senate all day to defeat the Enzi giveaway to big insurance.

always been outspoken and has always gone against the grain.....

Pink reaches a very broad audience in the 18-30 year old demographic...I am a bit older...I think she kicks ass....this is her lively hood and it takes guts to put a song out like she did...

Anyhoo....we need to take what we can get and run with it...this is not the time to criticize anyone taking a stand....lets hope we get more visible people like Pink coming out of the woodwork....

And remember just because we don't hear from people doesn't mean that they don't despise the * cabal like we do...Everyone has their own time and place to take their stand.....

Very well written. Just my two cents.

"You don't know nothin' about hard work!" :thumbsup:

and it really comes from her heart. I love the part about hard work
and the part about whiskey and cocaine. I think Katrina tore it for
a lot of people. The sight of fellow Americans rotting in an American
street was too horrible to contemplate.

all of hollywood except for the usual suspects
Susan Sarandon / Tim
Barbara Streisand

everyone else!!! AWOL.. Brad pitt/angelina, George clooney who thinks putting out a money making film, Syriana is his form of protest, George, knock knock, hello, anybody home....

I'm ready for the hollywood and sports world to get off their asses NOW and demand the people impeach bush..

do it municipality by municipality....

How hard is it to stand up to him in Congress when his poll numbers are tanking?

I appreciate those Congress people who did so beginning in 2000, whether it was politically expedient or not.

As far as the musicians go? I don't know about PINK. I haven't heard it/them/he/she. I appreciated Paula Cole's "My Hero, Mr. President," and some others. Young's "Greendale" a few years ago was a more subtle commentary about the national climate, for those paying attention.

as planned out as that - the song comes together when it comes together.

was he just another Johnny-come-lately? After all, that song wasn't released until 1969 -- well after other artists had recorded songs protesting the Vietnam war. Personally, I don't think Lennon was just cashing in, just as I don't think artists who are now releasing antiwar songs are just cashing in. Interestingly,there's an interview with Lennon from 1964 in which he was asked if the Beatles were planning on recording any anti-war songs and John responded that "all our songs are antiwar"

http://members.tripod.com/~holysm0ke/NY2.html

I personally have been writing anti-Repug songs since the '80's. I say it's great that we are finally getting the protest song back into the mainstream...that's one way to fuel the eventual huge marches in the streets that we will have to participate in...