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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 11:14 AM
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in re: rummy using "Colin Powell as a human shield"

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?bid=1&pid=82106


Rumsfeld Uses Colin Powell as a Human Shield

Challenged by veteran CIA analyst Ray McGovern to explain why he had claimed to "know" before the invasion of Iraq that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction when that suggestion had been repeatedly called into question, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld tried to use former Secretary of State Colin Powell as a human shield.

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Rumsfeld replied, "Well, first of all, I haven't lied. I did not lie then. Colin Powell didn't lie. He spent weeks and weeks with the Central Intelligence Agency people and prepared a presentation that I know he believed was accurate, and he presented that to the United Nations. The president spent weeks and weeks with the Central Intelligence people and he went to the American people and made a presentation. I'm not in the intelligence business. They gave the world their honest opinion. It appears that there were not weapons of mass destruction there."

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The point here is not to make a hero of Powell. There is every reason to continue the debate about whether Powell was duped or whether he gave in to the intense pressure from Cheney, Rumsfeld and their aides in order to maintain his political viability. There is no question, however, that the former Secretary of State and those around him quickly came to be embarrassed by the roles they were forced to play. Indeed, for most of the last year in which they worked together in the White House, the split between the Cheney and Rumsfeld camp and the Powell camp was so severe that the Vice President and the Secretary of Defense rarely spoke with the Secretary of State.

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As for Rumsfeld, he can say that he "did not lie." But he cannot claim that his statement in Atlanta was an honest one. He knows that his reference to Powell was an attempt to deflect blame from himself. He also knows the real story of how he and Cheney pressured Powell to make the "case" for war using dubious and discredited intelligence. And, above all, he knows that any attempt to link his own statements and actions with those of Powell is spin rather than an honest response to the most fundamental of all questions regarding this administration's high crimes and misdemeanors.
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traitor rummy trying to hide behind traitor Powell - while we watch them
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fearthem Donating Member (573 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 11:16 AM
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1. My first impression as well ... quick to name Powell to shield himself
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 11:19 AM
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2. Powell was duped?
By BushCo maybe.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 12:30 PM
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3. Rumsfeld lies for breakfast, lunch and dinner, and then goes home to bed
at night and lies in his dreams.

"I'm not in the intelligence business."

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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:22 PM
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4. The fact that Rumsfailed hides behind Powell
is just a small sample of his maneuvers and tricks. I've read many of Rumsfailed's speeches and policy directives. He uses several tactics to push his agenda, get himself off the hook, and hopefully shift the blame to someone else.

Now, in his little dilemma on Thursday, he didn't just quote Powell. First he quoted himself. "I did not lie". Then, just as smoothly, he shifted the attention on to Powell. As soon as he did that, though, he quickly moved on to Bush. He said, the president spent weeks and weeks reviewing the facts, and acknowledged...."

Here are some of his most useful tactics:

1) BLAMES OTHERS. This is a biggie for Rumsfailed. He never fails to find someone else to blame. In one speech, I counted no less than 10 instances, right after another, of blaming others when things went wrong. He blamed the generals, the troops, the Turks, the generals again, the enlisted men, and finally the generals.

2) HIDES BEHIND OTHERS. He quotes others, uses other officials as his "army of supporters", even though they may not agree with him. Uses quotes, facts, figures, twists them all around.

3) LIES INCESSANTLY. Lies when he wakes up in the morning and looks in the mirror. Tells a few lies as he's brushing his teeth, just to practice. Then, practices an honest, open look as he's lying, just to get it right. "practice makes perfect", they say.

There are others, but these are his biggest weapons. this man carries these tools around, like a Tool Box. May he be gone, soon.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:26 PM
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5. dupe
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:29 PM
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6. I think the proper term is:
Rummy threw Powell under a bus. Colin used to have some cred, even with Dems and Libs. After that abortion with the UN, he lost all of his cred. That's why he's been underground for so long. Now, he's finally speaking up, but it's a bit late, Colin.
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