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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 12:50 PM
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Did you know that Pelosi protected Murtha and his plan?
"Mr. Murtha -- this is his day,'' Pelosi said, as a half- dozen cameras and nearly 50 reporters captured her comments. "He will be talking about his statement, and as I said, it will be very provocative for us as we discuss among ourselves our policy in Iraq.''
....
Inside the Pelosi camp there was no doubt she fully supported Murtha's proposal for withdrawal. She told Democratic House members so at a closed door meeting even before Murtha made his proposal public, lawmakers and aides said.

But Pelosi's calculation was that to say so in front of cameras the same day would change the headlines from "Decorated Pennsylvania Hawk Speaks Out Against War,'' to "San Francisco Democratic Leader Calls for Immediate Withdrawal.''
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Asked later in an interview whether it was difficult to stand in front of the cameras and give an implausible nonanswer to a question upon which she had such strong conviction, Pelosi said not at all.

"There was a point to it,'' she said dismissively. "The point to it was whatever my position was going to be on it, yes or no, it was important for this man with 35 years of national security experience and leadership to go out there and say from his perspective why he arrived at it. And it was a stunning announcement. I thought it was really important that he be the messenger."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/04/02/MNGSHI24ON1.DTL


That's political leadership. I see animosity toward her and it confuses me. If it's over war funding bills, that's just silly. She will never let the dems be harmed by headlines about voting against bandages for soldiers. That -or something similarly inflammatory- is what the story would be.

McGovern demands congressional investigations and gets big ups on the board. So did Pelosi but she gets blasted for not assuring impeachment. There's plenty of love around here for Dems who apologize for an IWR vote. Pelosi, with more wisdom and insight, led the House in a significant opposition. Russert behaves like a fool and she doesn't shoot him in the face? She has a problem.

I don't care if she isn't a gifted orator. That isn't a prerequisite for good governance.
She kicks ass as Minority Leader and she will as Speaker.

Pelosi said she remembers her parents taking her to a polling place in Baltimore for the first time when she was a very young girl. A Republican poll worker handed her a little toy elephant as a souvenir.

Pelosi recoiled, quickly handing it back.

"He thinks I don't know what this is,'' Pelosi recalled with a laugh.
...
She displays an unshakeable belief that Democratic intentions are honorable, while Republican behavior is selfish and dangerously misguided.

In fact, the Pelosi most Americans know is that woman on the nightly news, sticking it to the president and the Republicans.

President Bush, she has said, "is an incompetent leader. In fact, he is not a leader. He's a person who has no judgment, no experience and no knowledge of the subjects that he has to decide on.''
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 12:55 PM
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1. I personally really like her. n/t
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 12:58 PM
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2. Thank you for this
I agree that Pelosi is underappreciated.

Might I pick a different leader? Maybe. Might I want to see an alternate candidate for Speaker? Maybe.

But I also believe firmly and strongly that a Leader or Speaker Pelosi with a Democratic House would be a very different person than MINORITY Leader Pelosi.

She has been as effective as possible given the circumstances. Her roots in the party are more than lifelong(*) and her views are VERY much within our mainstream, if not slight to the left of **our** center.

(*)Her father was Tommy D'Alessandro, a much beloved mayor of Baltimore and her uncles were also very active in party politics. Fruit rarely falls far from the tree.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:06 PM
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3. But she's not Boxer, let's purge her right now!!
Edited on Sun May-07-06 01:08 PM by Der Blaue Engel
:sarcasm:

Many of our Dems are underappreciated, and some people seem to actually take some kind of glee in finding fault with them. Do I think she's perfect? No. But unlike lock-step, brainwashed Republicans, I don't need perfect. I can appreciate the unique value different people bring to the party.

on edit: meant to post this as response to OP, but I guess it works here too :)
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:17 PM
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4. Pelosi has strong convictions and thoughtful strategy
That's a great combination for a leader.

Thank you for your post. It's very timely.

It is very interesting that more vitriol seems to be directed at Pelosi than at Russert, when he was the one badgering her throughout the segment and quite obviously trying to push her toward certain answers with his repeated question about repealing Bush's so-called tax cuts and his probing about possible impeachment. It looked to me like Russert was trying to get two sound bites from her, one on raising taxes and one on starting impeachment proceedings - both of which would likely be used by the RNC in commercials. She wisely did not give him these.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:22 PM
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5. That is a wise strategy and it's worked for her before

snip>Pelosi regards the demise of Bush's plan for private Social Security accounts among her greatest accomplishments. To fight the plan -- which she described as a frontal assault "on the core value of the Democratic Party'' -- Pelosi said it was necessary to hold her party united in its opposition, and stop any Democrat from offering an alternative that might provide Republicans a target.

Members would come to her and suggest raising Social Security contributions or eligibility ages, and other measures recommended by economists.

"I'd say, 'Sure, you want to go out there and get us a headline: 'Democrats raise taxes.' -- Let's see how that plays.

"What I would say to them is the following: 'When the time is right, we will have a plan. I'm the leader. We'll decide a time.' ''

A Democratic plan never came. The president's plan never made it to the House floor. Pelosi declared victory.
==============

That whole article interesting. It's from last month but there's lots I didn't know.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:27 PM
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6. Leadership ......
..... involves leading.

And sometimes that means being quiet and quietly leading. Strategically quiet ... that's a stronger brand of leadership than puffing up one's chest, pointing with one's sword, and shouting 'Charge'.

Kudos to Leader Pelosi.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:39 PM
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7. She's very adept at not taking the bait
and there's no doubt in my mind that's why Russert kept pushing those items. It was bait to get the quotes the RNC wanted.
The excerpt you've quotes from this article and her perfomance today show how intelligent and aware of this tactical process she is. Definitely, a wise strategy. I'm going to bookmark that article for later reading. Thanks for it.

The tax and spending meme is coming up in more areas from the press again, today with Russert and late last week in an AP report:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1111452&mesg_id=1111452

I don't think this is coincidental. I think it is a concerted effort to change the topic before the elections. And I'm glad Pelosi is smart enough not to allow it.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 02:08 PM
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9. Holy cats! the RNC response was just waiting for quotes on those 2 topics
Everything but the quotes timmy didn't score for them- taxes and impeachment.

RNC Response to Rep. Nancy Pelosi
"Nancy Pelosi's vision for the future is one of higher taxes on working Americans, cut and run in Iraq, and a little impeachment thrown in for good measure. With such a radical leader at the helm of the party, it's no wonder Democrats go to great lengths to avoid publicly talking about their real agenda for the American people." -- Tracey Schmitt, RNC Press Secretary

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=65322

They were just hanging on the sidelines drooling over the payoff!

:woohoo:
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 02:11 PM
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10. Rose, are you saying they actually released that absent the quotes?
And you're so right. TimmyPotatohead is nothing but a shill ... and has been for as long as his fat ass has warmed that once great chair on that once great show.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 02:16 PM
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11. Yeah! I don't see any quotes there and it was just released a bit ago
Doesn't it read like a blurb that would accompany quotes on taxes and impeachment?

They just have some historical info following the blurb but nothing (as far as I can tell) about today's appearance. They aren't in the habit of random Sunday afternoon press releases about Pelosi, so I'd guess it was supposed to correspond with MTP :shrug:
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 02:26 PM
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12. That's strong confirmation
OMFG - They had it waiting. Just gotta believe that they were drooling for Russert to get Pelosi to crack and give him the direct quotes. My admiration for her just grew stronger.
I have to admit to momentary doubt after I had posted my rant about the AP report since no one had responded to it. I though maybe I had reacted too strongly. But when I saw MTP this morning, it all seemed clear and your find at the RNC confirms it.
Great strategic move on Pelosi and Dean's part to be united and on topic and not tempted to bite, no matter how strongly the bait was dangled. I don't see how there can be any doubt that Russert collaborated with the RNC on this. What scum.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 02:43 PM
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13. You nailed him on that one, suffragette
:applause:
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 03:10 PM
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14. And you found the pieces that confirmed it and that provided context
for Pelosi's strategy.


:applause:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 11:38 AM
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18. Yes, and you can't help but admire such self-control
Nancy is very intelligent ... she knows how to work the strategy for long term gain.

Kudos Nancy! :applause:
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:41 PM
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8. I don't understand the animosity displayed
toward Pelosi or Reid. I think they're both strong leaders and am happy to have them.
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kdpeters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 10:58 PM
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15. Thank you for posting this
Pelosi is my rep. Though I've never felt animosity toward her, I've sometimes wondered where she was at times. Yet, if true, this shows a great deal of leadership, media savvy, not to mention a realistic self-perception rather than the inflated ego we've come to expect.

She's totally right, you know. Should she have offered support, the story in the right wing echo chamber becomes "Pelosi" "San Francisco" "liberals" and all the not-so-veiled homophobia that inevitably follows.

Wow. Just wow.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 11:06 AM
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16. I'm glad you saw it
and appreciated it. The whole article taught me more about her. I wrote the reporters last night to thank them.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 11:33 AM
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17. I agree to a certain extent...
When they picked Pelosi and Reid I thought, what were they thinking. Pelosi seems to always speak up but yesterday she was answering some question and I was screaming at the tv "Just say yes" but she gave some long winded answer that always irritates me and Reid also. I didn't really like Howard Dean in the beginning and I did not think it was fair about the scream but, one thing about Howard is: HE DOESN'T BEAT AROUND THE BUSH he tells it exactly like it is and this is what is wrong with most Dems, they are afraid to tell the truth which everyone already know and this is why people are losing faith in them.We need some dems like Tip O' Neil former speaker of the house and others.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 11:50 AM
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19. The Washington Monthly covered this, too.
See the link below. It pretty much puts the lie to the twin claims that A) the Democrats have no ideas and B) the Democrats have no plans. Actually, the Democrats have plenty of both, but having legislation, press conferences, and the like doesn't guarantee any notice being taken by the press, let alone by the public.


http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0605.sullivan1.html
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