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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 10:08 AM
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Richard Cohen has a secret... (well, not so secret anymore)
Edited on Wed May-10-06 10:09 AM by Julius Civitatus
Atrios has been posting an interesting series on wanker extraordinaire Richard Cohen (WaPo). By going into the WaPo archives, he has found some very, very interesting stuff.

Cohen wrote this bizarre article in 1998:

7/31/1998, Washington Post

Now let's go to a different location, a different time. We are in a government office, say around 9 in the morning, and a young woman comes in to work. She walks in a certain way and dresses in a certain style. Is she a hooker? No way. She's a clerk-typist, and should she be treated like a hooker she just might file a sexual harassment complaint with a multitude of government agencies -- and the United Nations, for good measure.

Is it fair that she be treated like a hooker just because she dresses like one? On the other hand, is it fair that a man be condemned for responding to the signals he thinks she's sending? My letter writers and phone callers say yes to the former, no to the latter. Following a column I wrote on sexual harassment, which began with an offhand remark to a colleague who had worn a short skirt to work that day, I heard from many men (and some women) who insisted that I had been entrapped. My colleague, they said, should have worn a longer skirt.

In principle, I reject that argument. But I also reject the argument that women are never accessories to their own harassment, that the man is always totally wrong and the woman never, not even a tiny bit. Let's examine this by analogy. Just because you leave your keys in the car doesn't mean someone is entitled to steal it. But by leaving your keys in the car you have made it easier for someone to steal it. Similarly, you have a perfect right to flash your money, and should you get robbed, the thief has no excuse. But neither, really, do you.

Prudent women recognize the importance of dress and behavior, the subtle signals that clothes and mannerisms send. For instance, it's neither smart nor good manners to wear short skirts or shorts in most Third World countries. It's not smart to go sashaying down dark streets there alone at night. To do those things sends a signal. A woman might just be trying to keep cool, but her outfit would not be interpreted that way by many Third World men. They would find her insolently provocative. The response might be brutal.

American men and American women share the same culture. But even within a single culture, subcultures exist. Sometimes they're racial, religious, ethnic or geographic. But they can be sexual as well. A woman may think she is saying nothing by wearing a short skirt, but many men think otherwise. If the skirt is accompanied by flirtatious behavior, then the message is even stronger. The woman may be oblivious to what she seems to be saying. She also has the law on her side. But, to many men, she is saying something nonetheless.

Bizarre, and creepy.

Then, when O'Reilly got his "falafel" sexual harassment suit, Cohen defended O'Reilly and excoriated Mackris, the alleged victim:


http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2004/10/richard_cohen_d.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50050-2004Oct20.html

Oct. 20, 2004

"Let us dispense with the boilerplate denunciation of O'Reilly as an alleged pig and even more boilerplate about him being the all-powerful man and Mackris being the totally powerless woman. All of that could be true. It also seems true, though, that Mackris either skipped classes in common sense when she was at Columbia University's Graduate School of Journalism or was playing O'Reilly like the proverbial violin.

Whether Mackris was aware of her power is impossible for me to say. But I can say that she never went to Fox's human resources department to complain about O'Reilly. She never seemed to realize that by not complaining and, more specifically, by going to dinner with him, to his hotel room and then, upon returning to Fox News, accepting assignments and a salary increase not given to others, she was hardly telling O'Reilly that she found his behavior thoroughly repugnant, as she says in her lawsuit. I almost pity O'Reilly. Off camera, he must be a bit slow.

(...) (I)t was a young female television producer who suggested I write about this because, if I may paraphrase, lawsuits such as Mackris's infantilize women. They portray women totally as victims, without recourse or remedy at their disposal. It insults common sense. It rewrites nature.

I can understand the rage of women subjected to the sort of sewer O'Reilly allegedly opened up on Mackris. If he did it, it is wrong -- just plain wrong. But it is also wrong for a woman to be even a bit complicit and then act as if she played no role whatsoever in the oldest game known to mankind. I can appreciate that Mackris was in an awful bear hug. But she screamed for help a bit late in the game."


Weirder and weirder...

But then Atrios uncovered this very revealing gem, that may explain Cohen's creepy attention to that topic:

http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/people/columns/intelligencer/2601/index.html

WASHINGTON POST’S OFFICE SHUFFLE

Here’s one story out of the Washington Post’s New York bureau that won’t make it into the paper: It’s about columnist Richard Cohen and why he’s just moved his office from the twelfth floor of the paper’s New York bureau to the twenty-second floor of the Newsweek building. The New York-bureau chief, Blaine Harden, passed along to management a complaint against Cohen made by Devon Spurgeon, a 23-year-old female special correspondent in the bureau. One Post insider says Harden and others in the bureau witnessed several instances in which Cohen made inappropriately sexual remarks to the young assistant. Management took the situation seriously enough to fly to New York to talk with Cohen on April 3, the insider continues, while Spurgeon was asked to take a paid leave of absence during the negotiations. Eventually, management decided that Cohen’s office would be moved. Cohen vehemently denies the charges. “There was, for want of a better term, a personality conflict,” he explains. “It didn’t involve sexual harassment -- it didn’t involve sex, it didn’t involve harassment -- and no disciplinary action was taken.” Neither a Washington Post spokeswoman nor deputy managing editor Milton Coleman would comment on personnel matters, and neither Harden, Spurgeon, nor managing editor Robert Kaiser returned calls.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 10:12 AM
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1. This is also why Juan Williams defended Clarence Thomas. nt
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 10:14 AM
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2. I remember that one
What's up with arch-conservatives, neocons, and former so-called "liberals" and their bizarre attitudes with women?
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 10:48 AM
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7. Good point Julius Civitatus...
But do you know your avatar is a violent rapist?

Ever seen the 'R' version of the movie?

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 11:07 AM
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 11:30 AM
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11. Yes, I understand allegory. And, yes, I'm still offended by the avatar...
and that it is offered.

I apologize that I've offended you, but your avatar offends me. And it's ironic that you call others on being liberal yet having issues with women. True, but it's an ironic observation for you to make with that avatar.

Yes, I also am a Kubrick fan.
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 12:56 PM
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16. Well, it's a DU avatar
Maybe you should take your gripe with DU administrators so they stop offering it as an option.

I think A Clockwork Orange is a very poignant film, particularly for its many premonitions about the corruption of democracy and the use of officially sanctioned violence for political means. Today's America under Bush has echoes of what Burgess/Kubrick warned in ACO.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 10:14 AM
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3. Poor guy!
It's all the women's fault for not dressing in, say, burkahs-otherwise, it is obvious that their game is to entrap him or O'Liely, etc.

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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 10:16 AM
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4. Cohen's got a very sordid history
That's not the only complaint that was made about Cohen back then. That's why he got sent to the NY office of the Post.

That, and the fact that he was dicking around with Peter Jennings' then-wife, Katey Marton. Cohen left his wife for her, as I recall (I might not be getting this exactly right - it was a long time ago), and then she went back to Jennings (I think). In any event, Cohen got ditched, and after the Jennings marriage broke up, Katey Marton - a very accomplished woman who probably regrets it all now - went on to marry Richard Holbrooke, who is sensational (I think).

That means, you realize, that Richard Cohen has been had by Richard Holbrooke, and it's the best Cohen's ever going to get.

Ain't old DC gossip great?
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 12:18 PM
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13. Jesus what a dirtbag. He's the only "liberal" the WaPo can find? n/t
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 12:42 PM
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15. He was NEVER a liberal
NEVER.

Don't be fooled.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 03:21 PM
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21. Is everyone forgetting about EJ Dionne when they refer to
Cohen as "the" WaPo liberal?

Dionne does a great job.
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 01:44 PM
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18. Very interesting indeed. Thanks! n/t
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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 10:25 AM
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5. Prudent women recognize the importance of dress and behavior
One step up and two steps back.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 10:46 AM
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6. Richard Cohen: Wanker Extraordinaire
:rofl:
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 10:50 AM
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8. This explains a lot about this creep
Thanks for digging it up.

WaPo....what a rag. It just gets worse every day.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 11:04 AM
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9. The Washington Post is a rag.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 11:31 AM
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12. After this, I'm afraid its been downgraded from 'rag'
to dessicated pond scum
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 12:28 PM
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14. Worse than pond scum - they're unindicted co-conspirators of BushInc and
have been for decades.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 12:59 PM
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17. What can one indeed expect from a third rate journalist that
should be writing in a third world country?

Will Pitt did an excellent smack down on Richard Cohen. Now we'll see what kind of man he really is.
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Kailassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 02:42 PM
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19. The logical extension of his argument is that ...
If it is known that groups of women find mens' ears so disgusting that they have a tendancy to cut the balls off any guy who doesn't wear a beanie, and Cohen forgets his beanie and gets his balls lopped off, he has only himself to blame.

Lets not get into a discussion on the rightfulness of ball-lopping, all that matters is that us ladies might be inclined do it. ;-)



We're comin' for ya, funny-man. This way you'll Really make people larf. (joke)
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 03:18 PM
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20. I can't believe this OP doesn't have more votes--good catch.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 03:28 PM
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22. Prudent male jounalists
Recognize that when they write self-indulgent tripe defending a corrupt administration from a satirical comedic performance they are asking for a deluge of angry responses. Richard, it's like flashing your money in a bad neighborhood.

And his article about O'Reilly is just idiotic beyond words. Entitled chauvinistic pricks like him make workplaces a minefield for women. He and the Falafel Meister are two peas in a pod. Cohen's own transgressions should be thrown in his face every time he tries to defend some other fuckwit harasser.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 11:59 AM
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23. Wonder what he said about Paul Jones
I remember when the Paul Jones story first surfaced, my initial reaction was:

When Clinton invited her to his hotel room, what was she thinking? They were going to read poetry? Discuss policies?

I was not aware of all the falafel events but, yes, she should have first approached Fox HR. This is their job to investigate. And the reality is that romance does flourish in the work place, even when one partner is married and, I suppose, when someone think that this would be a good career move.

At the end, as with the Duke team, there is always the "he said she said."

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