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LeftNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:45 AM
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How do we find out if we were caught in this net of phone call records?
So i can sue the shit outta somebody, like Verizon or AT&T. Corporatism has a new game this morning. I cant believe this is America.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:46 AM
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1. You can't - it's a secret.
I think people should band together for a class-action suit against these corporations, though.
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LeftNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:47 AM
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2. I called Verizon this morning and bitched them out...
I also cancelled my service. All cellphone all the time!
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:03 AM
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16. Did you call their corporate communications dept?
I want to call them too.
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LeftNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:29 AM
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23. No...I feel kind of bad because I asked for a supervisor
and told their customer service rep that if I couldnt speak with a supervisor expect me to say some not nice things. I know it isnt her. But I will call their corp. communications dept. I hated dealing with Verizon before this mess.
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:49 AM
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26. VP of Corporate communications is Tom Tauke
They have a very large PR team, and I think each state has its own public policy/corporate comms people.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:57 AM
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28. FYI cell phones are even EASIER to tap
hell in slow days back in the day we used to listen to them on the scanner.

(Yes I know highly illegal, but you COULD do that with a scanner... and you still can with roaming signals)

It is far easier to assume that they are listenig to EVERY conversation... welcome to the USSR... that is where you and I are now living. How we react to this new reality will
determine where things go, but assuming that ANY electronic communication is private is and has been wrong for a long time.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:49 AM
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6. class-action suit---count me in.
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:48 AM
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3. Also, out of these phone call records, I wonder how many they...
actually listened in on.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:49 AM
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8. This has nothing to do with wire tapping.
Phone companies maintain databases of all calls made through their networks.
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:53 AM
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10. I realize that but I don't expect the telephone company to...
hand over my records to a government spy agency. Do they listen in to calls based on these records?
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LeftNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:56 AM
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13. Exactly. We dont know what they are doing?
If they can hand over call records without consent, what else are they doing? On a job interview, if a company wants to do a background check, they make you sign a release form. No such form was ever sent to me from Verizon, nor any contract. Obviously, I am not a lawyer, but I know no warrant has been issued for me for someone to look at my call records.
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:05 AM
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18. No such form was sent to me by Verizon either.....
I am so upset over this. I have Verizon for my land lines, cell phone and DSL. I am still contemplating what to do over this travesty.
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LeftNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:28 AM
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22. I dont necessarily need a land line and my internet comes
through my cable, so I cancelled my land line. My celly isnt a Verizon either, luckily because of these contracts they make you sign.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:54 AM
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27. It's in violation of the FCC ..Telecommunications Act Section # 222
From the USA TODAY ARTICLE.....THIS IS THE LAW:

The concern for the customer was also based on law: Under Section 222 of the Communications Act, first passed in 1934, telephone companies are prohibited from giving out information regarding their customers' calling habits: whom a person calls, how often and what routes those calls take to reach their final destination. Inbound calls, as well as wireless calls, also are covered.

The financial penalties for violating Section 222, one of many privacy reinforcements that have been added to the law over the years, can be stiff. The Federal Communications Commission, the nation's top telecommunications regulatory agency, can levy fines of up to $130,000 per day per violation, with a cap of $1.325 million per violation. The FCC has no hard definition of "violation." In practice, that means a single "violation" could cover one customer or 1 million.

In the case of the NSA's international call-tracking program, Bush signed an executive order allowing the NSA to engage in eavesdropping without a warrant. The president and his representatives have since argued that an executive order was sufficient for the agency to proceed. Some civil liberties groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union, disagree.

More at........
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_...
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:35 AM
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25. I bet they recorded them ALL, and have them stored for future retrieval,
so anybody who tries to fight them gets hit with criminal charges (it would be SOOOOO easy for them to fake data).
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:48 AM
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4. If you ever made a telephone call, you were.
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:53 AM
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11. Yep
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LoKnLoD Donating Member (923 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:15 AM
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19. Not Qwest
I read Qwest wasn't turning over the records because "Qwest declined to participate because it was uneasy about the legal implications of handing over customer information to the government without warrants. "

Qwest is my phone company so the get spared my wrath.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:48 AM
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5. Do you have a phone or internet access?
You were caught in the net.
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LeftNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:49 AM
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7. Bastards! nt
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dmkinsey Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:50 AM
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9. Exactly
The default assumption:
EVERYBODY was included and ALL your calls included
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:54 AM
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12. Just wait for the tarp-covered truck to pull up out front and soldiers
to appear on your front porch to "ask you a few questions" and could "you come with us please".

Now you know why Halliburton was busy building all those detention camps right here in the USA.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:57 AM
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14. WEll, I'm not on any of the targeted services
but my pop had AT&T, so I guess I'm there for the 6 weeks I was in Florida. It was a dull 6 weeks, though, I did most of the notification of relatives via E-mail.

Maybe they enjoyed the real estate flippers and cemetary plot salesmen and my occasionally nasty dismissal of them.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:18 AM
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20. Don't worry your stuff went through a tapped switch.
Just because your provider didn't appear on the list doesn't mean that the equipment used to move your data along the net wasn't tapped. AT&T provides network services to other providers. Data moves from one provider's equipment to other provider's equipment routinely. My guess is that of course the NSA went after key central switches first - after the backbone switches. Much more efficient that way.
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peaches2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:00 AM
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15. BS, Verizon, AT&T servicemen
I bet all their servicemen and personnel are now told to wear only brown shirts as part of Bush's secret police.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:04 AM
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17. Call the NSA.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:20 AM
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21. They can't tell you because it will compromise national security
They are protecting you from terrorists, and if you find out about this, they can't do it any more. :sarcasm:
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:30 AM
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24. They could tell you, but then they'd have to kill you
only sort of kidding
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