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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:52 PM
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Begala...Dean has hired bunches of people to pick their noses...
Edited on Thu May-11-06 03:55 PM by madfloridian
while roaming around Utah and Nevada and places like that. He said he was wasting money.

This is really beginning in earnest now.

Edit: this was on CNN just now.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:53 PM
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1. Thank God Begala is here to save the Democratic Party from HD
Edited on Thu May-11-06 03:53 PM by Debi
(all while trying to get media attention to sell his newest book) :eyes:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:54 PM
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2. LOL
And his buddy Carville as well.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:56 PM
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8. Howard Dean is destroying the Democratic Party
Please make your checks out to Hilary '08...ooh, oops I mean Hilary '06, my bad :blush:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:56 PM
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10. Oops.
Funny.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 06:23 PM
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59. Begala supports Hillary Clinton, and she won't use a 50 State strategy
Hillary will never do real well in purple and red states. With sufficient movement to the Right to partially neutralize 5% of the typical Hillary haters, and by running an efficient well oiled campaign, Clinton's path to the White House would be a campaign that concentrates on winning just enough States to provide her with an electoral college majority. The efforts that Dean is supporting in places like Montana and Arizona won't personally do Clinton much good. I am not surprised at all to hear Begala bad mouth organizing in the States that Hillary isn't counting on.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:54 PM
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3. Guess they aren't liking his new anti-corruption, open government message.
,
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:02 PM
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21. Guess not.
:evilfrown:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:06 PM
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25. This is what I've always seen from this crowd - and I wouldn't doubt if
they were actively working behind the scenes to make sure the left always looked weak in the media matchups for the last few years.

Any time an anti-corruption message comes out, there are elements designed to quash it. I think many of us know too much right now to let them succeed again.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:19 PM
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28. Kerry's speech today should have been front and center....
But the distractions came in calling Dean out. Everytime it happens.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:38 PM
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45. mf - check this out - more pieces will come together for you.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 05:33 PM
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56. 1st two paragraphs caught my attention.
I am going to read all of it. I have had it with this.

"a guest at a White House social event asks Bill Clinton why his administration didn’t pursue unresolved scandals from the Reagan-Bush era, such as the Iraqgate secret support for Saddam Hussein’s government and clandestine arms shipments to Iran.

Clinton responds to the questions from the guest, documentary filmmaker Stuart Sender, by saying, in effect, that those historical questions had to take a back seat to Clinton’s domestic agenda and his desire for greater bipartisanship with the Republicans.

Clinton “didn’t feel that it was a good idea to pursue these investigations because he was going to have to work with these people,” Sender told me in an interview. “He was going to try to work with these guys, compromise, build working relationships.”

Yeh, it makes me angry.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:40 PM
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69. See, mf, Dean entered the minefield of anti-corruption and open government
Trust me - I've watched them plant mines to stop the openthebooks leaders for decades.

Now, you understand why some of us admire Kerry for how long he has battled and survived and keeps on fighting where he can. It's NOT easy. It's probably going to get worse now for Dean. He should surround himself with the anticorruption pols and stick together to survive what's to come.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:37 PM
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81. I agree.
I have never not admired Kerry's history in congress. You are right. People always think I have, though.

I think there are bumpy roads ahead for us all. At times I see the divide forming pretty clearly, then it fades and blurs, then is back.

It will be rough, but there are a lot on for the ride.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:54 PM
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4. My field organizer's name is Andrea Nair. I'm glad to have her
There are three others in Wisconsin.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:56 PM
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6. Does she pick her nose in public?
:evilgrin:

Begala needs to hush.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:58 PM
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16. Yes he does
Actually, she's been organizing training sessions on how to canvass effectively. And that's only one of the activities I can think of.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:44 PM
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47. I spoke with her recently...
She seems very bright and very responsive -- a walking list showed up in my mailbox two days after we spoke. A couple hundred nose-pickers like her will make a real difference.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:01 PM
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19. That was exactly what I was going to ask.
I'm sure she really appreciates being called a nose-picker too.

It reminds me of Charlie Cook's column on this:


The Cook Report - This Time, Dean's Right
Charlie Cook

No one would mistake me for the president of the Howard Dean fan club. I can't even count the number of times that the chairman of the Democratic National Committee has said things that I considered a bit over the top and that I thought contributed to the caricature that the Democratic Party has become in the minds of many Americans. In his most recent dustup, though, Dean is absolutely right.

Last Sunday, Dan Balz and Chris Cillizza of The Washington Post reported that House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of California and Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada met with their party chairman and "complained about Dean's priorities -- funding organizers for state parties in strongly Republican states, such as Mississippi, rather than targeting states with crucial races this fall."

While Pelosi and Reid are right that control of the Senate will be decided by races in just eight or nine states and that, likewise, a small fraction of House districts will truly be in play, they ignored one set of facts. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee exists solely to win House races. On the Senate side, there's the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. For the party's governors, there is the Democratic Governors' Association. The Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee was created to boost candidates for state legislatures. And the GOP, of course, has comparable committees for all of its candidates.

The primary responsibility of the DNC is not to win House, Senate, gubernatorial, or state legislative races, but to build and sustain a national party and to oversee the presidential conventions and nomination process. The same is true of the Republican National Committee. No other entities within the two major parties are charged with those missions.

In January, while giving a speech at Mississippi State University, I happened to meet a DNC staffer, a former executive director of the Oklahoma Democratic Party, who was assigned full-time to party-building in Mississippi. In the 33 years that I have been involved in politics, I have never heard of the national Democratic Party assigning a full-time staff member to organizational efforts in Mississippi.

Although organizing in Mississippi might not seem important to Pelosi and Reid -- after all, the state won't have competitive House or Senate races this year -- at some point, conservative Democratic Rep. Gene Taylor will retire, and then the House Democratic leadership may see the wisdom of their party already having a presence in southern Mississippi. When Republican Sens. Thad Cochran and Trent Lott retire, the Senate Democratic leadership just might have a similar revelation. Keep in mind that if Lott had opted to retire at the end of this year, as many had expected, Democrats would have had a pretty fair shot at winning that seat by running former state Attorney General Mike Moore.

The Democratic congressional leaders' shortsighted, penny-wise/pound-foolish complaints show why their party has become bicoastal. Congressional Democrats have trouble winning in many interior states, in part because leaders like Reid and Pelosi have failed to appreciate the importance of maintaining a strong national party apparatus. The Democrats' inability to consistently win elections in places where gun shops outnumber Starbucks is a big reason the party controls neither the House nor the Senate.

Right now, one of the biggest obstacles to Democrats' taking the House back is their failure to recruit strong candidates in many Republican-held districts that ought to be in play. Party building means lining up a solid team -- organizing and winning lower-level offices that give the party a talented bench from which to draw for higher contests.

Dean's view -- that Pelosi, Reid, and their party committees have their jobs and he has his -- is the one that he ought to stick to. He should also resist pressure from interest groups, such as the Congressional Black Caucus, whose members raise very little money for the DCCC even though a Democratic takeover of the House would elevate many black lawmakers to chairmanships.

Howard, stick to your guns.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/3/10/15241/7822


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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:16 PM
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26. Thanks, interesting and to the point. Dean is a man
with a plan and I like it.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 06:00 AM
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89. Would nominate if I could
Thanks for posting this article. I hope al those who claim Dean does nothing good for the Dems read it, but I doubt they will. Much more fun to fling shit. *sigh*

Julie
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:55 PM
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5. I Posted Something Like This Earlier Today... How Begal, The Cajun
and Rahm Emmanuel are broadsiding Dean. And we wonder WHY we have no UNITY!!

The 3 mentioned above have already come out and stated the support HILLARY for the nominee! What the hell is going on??
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:57 PM
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15. What? They trash Howard Dean while professing support for
Hillary? Why would they do that? (money, money, money, money)
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:13 PM
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73. Begala is PISSED...Hillary hasn't signed him on for her '08 run and
after all he has his "ranch" in Virginia where his boys can shoot groundhogs for "target practice" (said on Russert's "Meet the Press" a couple of months ago...and he and Carvill are just hoping for a little Money tossed their way.

Although both Paul and James said with kids ...they just hated to leave their families for long periods of time like they did when they got Clinton elected...(you know...age...families and all that sentimental stuff..plus their "Virginia Farms" which they use for tax breaks that Begala said are very close to each other. :puke:
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 09:07 AM
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91. DLC wants only HAND-PICKED, annointed candidates.
They would rather LOSE a race (or run NO ONE)
than risk having a dem in national office
that they don't control.

Wake Up!

I bet Wellstone was as feared by the DLC as Dean is.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:56 PM
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7. Begala needs to be locked in a trunk
And dropped into shark-infested waters.
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 02:06 PM
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100. Sharks can't open trunks. EOM
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:56 PM
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9. Just one thought. Is Paul Begala in the HClinton 08 camp?
If he is, this attack on Dean is possibly a way of clearing an obstacle for Sen. Clinton's campaign.

If not, I stand corrected, but I'm very suspicious.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:57 PM
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13. Begala and Carville are Clinton people.
.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:00 PM
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18. madfloridian, thank you for that confirmation. I was afraid of this.
I don't know all the behind-the-scenes stuff here, I admit.

But I am suspicious that two high-profile Clinton folks are trying to muscle Dean out.

And that's what it feels like.

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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:19 PM
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29. This same crowd did the same thing to Dean
during his run for president, in my opinion.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:20 PM
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31. On Crossfire every single day.
It was horrific the things they would say. They called him crazy, and other nice names.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:21 PM
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34. Begala is at his best when he's going after George Bush and the
Republicans.

I wish he'd stick to that.

I realize that he would likely enjoy a prominent position in a certain New York senator's presidential campaign, and as it happens, that particular candidate is not my own personal first choice.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:21 PM
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32. Why yes!! I believe you are right
funny how things work, no?

I predict a forking meltdown on DU in 2007 when the prez nominee thing gets going...likely a schism leading to two websites.

Shame, that
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:25 PM
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37. Hi, Jacobin. I was very comfortable with Dean as party Chair, and
didn't immediately perceive that he was under siege.

I don't think it helps us in the long run if "concerned parties" are trying to unseat Howard Dean, a talented, visionary thinker, and the Rethugs are uniting behind Ken Mehlmann, a cretinous halfwit.

I realize politics is often a shitstorm, but I would prefer that a few cooler heads might prevail.

By the way, thank you for many posts you've done on these boards which I've read and appreciated.

I look forward to many more.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:33 PM
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42. Thanks for your kind words
I was a Dean supporter from waaaaay back and gave his campaign a lot more money than I could afford. I don't regret giving a penny.

He's outside the seedy mold of corporate democratic politicians, and it was thrilling to be part of the grassroots effort. We came pretty close to getting what amounts to a populist candidate nominated, which IMHO, would be a breath of fresh air. I think he had a real shot in the south with his straight talk and his leave it to the states gun position.

Was painful to watch him smooshed in Iowa, but I guess we all knew that corporate dems, repubs and the MSM saw him as a real threat, and when they all gang up on ya...its over.

Saw him last year in Jackson, MS at a sold out fund raiser, and he had over 1,000 people there each contributing $100. The demographics of that dinner were simply amazing....every socioeconomic group, every race, young, old...it warmed the heart to see them.

Anyway...onward and upward

:-)
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:42 PM
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46. His day is not over in the Democratic Party, I don't think.
Edited on Thu May-11-06 04:43 PM by Old Crusoe
I envy you your chance to hear Dean in person. Good for you.

I foresee a possibility that the move to oust Dean as Chair is, regrettably, successful, and that the junior senator from New York is able to arrange a more HClinton-favorable Chair to replace Dean.

In this scenario, said senator gets the nomination of the party through a combination of huge cash inflow and traditioanl apparatus left over from her husband's 2-terms.

Meanwhile the GOP nominates McCain, not so much owed to his wide appeal among the base but because the rest of the pack is so clueless. Frist, I've posted here before, seems incapable of baking a dozen cookies on a flat tin sheet. Allen's brain is solid cement. Huckabee is an RV salesman. Giuliani is a fascist creep. Pataki is pathetic. Brownback is a fundy psycho. McCain wins by default.

The fundies on the Far Right sqawk and decide to run their own ticket. So it's McCain and somebody for the GOP, and Brownback and somebody for the NutCase third party on the right.

Hillary Clinton picks Richardson (her husband's energy Secretary) and that's a pro-Bush-Iraq ticket, and Dean, shoved out months ago as Chair, mounts a populist anti-war ticket from the left. Dean-Gary Hart, for example.

In that scenario, Howard Dean's path to the White House is shorter than it is now.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 05:52 PM
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57. Very interesting scenario
I would love to see some kind of shake up, something different from what I consider to be the usual two bad choices.

Wonder if Rove will be too busy in court to do his usual character assassinations of anyone who would dare challenge the XRW candidate? That could be helpful, as well.

Things in the M.E. are going to be in such a state by 2007, that maybe the field will open up enough to get the usual dweebs brushed aside and get someone a little more geo-politically realistic in charge.

We live in interesting times.

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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 01:32 PM
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96. You and Jacobin are fun to read
Some really good logic. Jacobin mentioned Iowa and every time I remember the Iowa caucus there is this sick feeling in my stomach like, what am I missing here, very few people went with Dean and most with Kerry & Gephardt from Missouri. What happened to the Dean sweep? Now we know. How do we fix it so that the person popular with the People get the nod next time, for instance Gore, Finegold, any number of good out-of-the-loop candidates?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 02:57 PM
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101. lyonn, hi. I popped in and out of Iowa during that time and although
Dean got a lot of the attention, I felt the real story was how poorly Gephardt did. That's not a slam on Gephardt -- he's a good man, but his 4th place finish was kind of shocking to me.

But to respond to your point on Jacobin, you are quite right to say he's interesting to read. There are a hell of a lot of bright people posting on liberal blogs and among the many thousands -- even dozens of thousands -- I rate Jacobin among the top three. I will stop whatever I'm looking for and read one of his posts, no matter the topic. If he posts something on dogfood, you can expect me to read it with rapt attention. And I don't even have a dog anymore.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #42
102. Is that where they had to order pizza because of more people?
He speaks about that experience often in interviews. It truly impressed him how much people wanted someone to pay attention to their state.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:57 PM
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11. Begala = the Alan Combs of CNN n/t
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:57 PM
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12. Really Paul?
And what are you doing to help Democrats win in Utah and Nevada and places like that? I've noticed that, over the years, when we fight, we win. When we don't fight, and just leave whole swaths of the country undisturbed, we lose. In Utah. In Nevada. In Kansas. In North Carolina. In Georgia. In Florida. And on and on.

And, not surprisingly, the Democrats who make up anywhere from 35% to 48% of the populations of those states feel just a little bit abandoned.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:57 PM
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14. Begala has been going to a few too many Georgetown cocktail parties
That kind of thinking tends to result when you run in that social circle.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:59 PM
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17. Begala's sudden concern about frugality is most touching.
:rofl::rofl:
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reichstag911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:01 PM
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20. Is he still hiring? n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:03 PM
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23. Do you pick your nose?
Just woofing. I nearly howled when I heard it....can't wait to get the transcript.
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reichstag911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:05 PM
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24. Like a pro! n/t
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:02 PM
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22. Begala is a self-promoting idiot and whiner. Nuff said. EOM
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:18 PM
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27. If I were from Utah or Nevada I would be insulted.
Dean's cousin Peter Corroon is mayor of a county there in Utah. And there are changes going on.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:20 PM
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30. Good for Begala!!!
FIRE HOWARD DEAN NOW!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:21 PM
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33. If the gay community has their way he will be gone.
That is sad.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #33
43. I wonder who they think will help them more than Dean?
I realize the 700 club thing was a screw up, but, geeze...who would be better for that issue than Dean?
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:51 PM
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48. Apparently anybody now.
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:37 PM
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44. What?
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ToeBot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:23 PM
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76. Naw, most of us don't fly off the handle over a few misspoken words...
but there are those that insist on perpetuating the 'hysterical' stereotype.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:38 PM
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82. I still support Dean - for now. That was a bad screwup, for sure.
Edited on Thu May-11-06 11:39 PM by TankLV
But I haven't decided finally yet.

He has made a COUPLE mistakes, according to MY calculations - FAR LESS than HRC or anybody else, IMO.

But if he panders any more to the right, then all bets are off.

He hit a BAD pothole, and broke an axle. He needs to repair the car and continue to move forward.

But I will NOT eqivocate on FULL EQUALITY.

The excuse makers and "separate but equal" idiots should be ashamed.

We will not "get back in the closet" or "in the back of the bus"!
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:23 PM
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36. and you really think Hillary's gonna help you more
than the likes of Dean? (cause that's who Begala is pimping for)

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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:52 PM
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49. Begala's a smart man.
What can I say.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:28 PM
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39. That's pathetic.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #39
51. Tough!
He has shit on me one to many times!
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #51
80. Oh cry me crocodile tears.
Dean may be for marriage for man and woman, but he DOES support civil unions (as he signed legislation while in tenure in Vermont), and I really like that man.

Dean may have misstated it, but there's no reason to fly off the handle.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:40 PM
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84. Separate but equal. Right. Gotcha.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:22 PM
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35. Shocked!
Dear Paul Begala,

There is a simple solution to your money worries. You know all those fund-raising letters that that you and your buddy James keep putting out for Hillary (cough) 06. Well, now that she has amassed $40 million for a race without an opponent, just send $20 million to Rahm. Oh, and just maybe Hillary and other 08 candidates can stop draining the system of the money we need for our candidates now.

Sincerely,

Auntie DLC
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 01:42 PM
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97. Does she really have 40 mil for her Senate race?
Shocking. You are right, she needs to help her fellow senate candidates in 06 with her bootie. How can Dean compete with that kind of back biting politics. Let us hope he can.
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:27 PM
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38. I think they are trying to save Mrs. Carville...mary matalin...who
is no doubt guilty as hell of treason. They either want us to lose the 2006 elections or only have dinos elected.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #38
40. So no investigations, you mean.
That's a thought.
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:52 PM
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50. ever since the Valerie Plame outing, Carville has stopped
being the vocal supporter of our cause. Something is going on. My guess is that he doesn't want his kids' mother to go to jail, where she very much belongs. And Begala is helping him.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 05:27 PM
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54. Shocked and serious
Two things are happening as we gear up for 2006. One, there are official (Biden) and unofficial (Hillary) 08 candidates who are out pulling money out of the system. Yes, each person may be giving only to particular candidates, but more people who get those weekly Hillary-drops, end up slipping their spare money into an envelope and consider themselves donated-out. The second thing that is happening here is a blurring of the message. At a time when we should be unified, the 08ers are positioning their own campaigns.

Begala and Carville are barely tolerated in my house. Too many slams on non-DLC Democrats have soured their message. Unfortunately, they have the big media mic. Personally, I've found when talking to angry republicans that the only thing that pisses them off more than bush is Carville.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. Is it 40 million for Hillary so far?
I think I heard that figure.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 06:59 PM
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65. Oh ML...that's the low-ball
...and does not include her PAC. Then there the money raised by Ickes to build her a data-base outside of the DNC. Honestly, I'm not jealous...but it bites my bum when Begala is crying about money for the 06 candidates. The other pisser as I see it, is a belief that what we have here is a party hidden within a party. It is messy and self-defeating.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:04 PM
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66. Oh, do I agree on that.
It is a party either within or already without the other party...Hillary is in charge most likely since she is in charge of the American Dream Initiative.

10 mil for the database, the DNC can't legally use it according to Dean. It is a proprietary database.

I think we already have another party.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:59 PM
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74. Let me get this straight
10 million for one person's personal data base, and Begala's sniveling over Dean's putting coordinators in the states. okay...sure...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:42 PM
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77. Yep, Ickes had to come up with 10 million minimum.
For that database the DNC can't use. Here is the info on what Dean said about that databsse. It as at the Prospect breakfast with reporters. He was very gracious about it, but the DNC is building their own. He says it is not for Hillary, but I am not so sure since Ickes is an advisor of hers.

I shared this transcript with some state committee people, and our state chair had not shared the info with them yet.

Here is the link to the entire interview of breakfast with many reporters at
The American Prospect magazine. There is also an hour long interview, but
this is easier than finding time to listen an hour. I just snipped the part
about the database. It is very long.

This is where some of the money is going in addition to the state directors.

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=11436

"As far as the Voter File, I can tell you that Hillary Clinton has nothing to
do with any of this, and that was just speculation, which was unfounded.
What Harold wants to do, I think, is build a big proprietary Voter File.
There’s some legal problems having us use the voter file because of
McCain-Feingold. And there are some problems because one of the things he
wants to do, which I think is a good thing, is to incorporate lists from,
you know, sympathetic organizations -- environment, women’s rights, so
forth. That’s a very difficult issue for us. The bottom line is the DNC
needs to have a Voter File. And we need to have a Voter File that’s
available, and we have a relationship with the states, of using the states
as substrata for building a Voter File that nobody else has. So we’ve got to
do this, it’s got to be owned by the party so it’s available to candidates
without fear or favor of whomever may be running the proprietary Voter File.

..."but we’ve got to have our own Voter
File and we’ve got to be able to use it for candidates, and we’ve got to be
able to have the candidates build it and we’ve got to be able to share it
with all candidates. I’d like to make it free. We will make it free -- we’re
raising the money to pay for it so that we can make it available to
candidates from all over the country.
Harold, you know, is not going to be
running this Voter File forever. And a proprietary Voter File that we have
to depend on is not the right way for the DNC to go. That doesn’t mean he
shouldn’t do it. I’m sure this Voter File will be very useful in other
capacities -- for example, if there’s a sequel to ACT or something like
that. But we have to have a Voter File that we build that works, and it has
to work the way I described it, which is, as you use it, it gets built
immediately. Because we’ve got to end this 30-year process of the day after
the presidential election the DNC goes into hibernation -- unless we win --
and then we emerge three and a half years later. That is not a successful
strategy.

Look, my basic job here is to establish a long-term plan for the Democratic
Party. Chuck and Rahm need to focus on the ’06 races and we’re going to be
as helpful as we possibly can there, but I’m focusing not just on ’06 but ’08
and ’12 and so forth and so on. There needs to be a permanent, ongoing,
well-run campaign organization that’s always campaigning. They have it on
the other side of the aisle; we need to build it and that’s what we’re
doing.

Thomas Edsall: Will your data file be as sophisticated as the Republicans
claim theirs is, with all these consumer lists and being able to develop
targeting by all kinds of identities and views and religion and so forth?

Dean: We already have that data. Terry got that data in before. It’s all
commercially acquirable, and we did all that. The problem was the platform
was too small and the folks at the state level weren’t trained to use it.

And there were some kinks, there was actually too much data. There were
about 900 data points per voter, so it became essentially unusable. So we
don’t have to reacquire the data, we do have to update it. All we have to do
is build a different kind of platform so we can make it work, and then we
have to train the heck out of people at the state level.
Now we have a great
relationship with the state parties for the first time in about 30 years and
we’re going to be able to do that."


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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #65
70. Party hidden within the Dem Party
That's a very accurate desciption. The star chamber of Dems hasn't led us to victory, but only sucked the marrow out of the grassroots party operations and watered down our agenda and message.

It makes a lot of consultants rich and builds the war chests of a few Dems, but its not accomplishing anything outside the beltway.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:39 PM
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68. They should be silent then
Kowtowing to the GOP's agenda isn't going to save Ms. Carville.
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:28 PM
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41. Where's my paycheck?
I'm in Las Vegas and when I saw this thread I was literally picking my nose.
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 06:51 PM
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63. I don't qualify
I watched the replay and Begala said Mississippi, not Nevada.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #63
64. I know, I just posted the trasncript below. I could have sworn Nevada.
But I got Utah right.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 05:14 PM
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52. Begela must be confronted over his attack on Dean
Attacks like the one Begela made today on CNN against Dean's 50 State organizing strategy can not be ignored. There are stories in several States that strongly support Dean's strategic premise of supporting local organizing in previously neglected areas, and Nevada, Begala not withstanding, is actually one of them. Colorado, Montana, North Dakota, Arizona, and New Mexico also come quickly to mind. A few years ago I would have included New Hampshire except for the fact that now New Hampshire has become a competitive State for Democrats. Democrats can turn previously safe Republican States competitive, but only by working them hard locally. Recently Democrats have improved their fortunes in local and State elections in the states listed above. We remain are far more effective at electing Senators from those States than we are at winning electoral votes for our Presidential candidates, but that type of sustained break through in those states soon no longer seems as far fetched as it did not long ago. But only if we keep building on the foundation of our recent successes.

No National Party can afford to rest on what it perceives to be it's natural Geographic base. California used to fairly regularly vote Republican and New York and New Jersey once were swing States that often went Republican. The South was once solidly Democratic of course. Recently States like Iowa and Minnesota and West Virginia and Wisconsin are no longer as reliably Democratic as they once were, while Northern New England long ago stopped being a Republican gimmee. Electoral maps change. They always have and they always will, but to be related to as a viable National Political Party, rather than one that sometimes manages to win the Presidency when the stars line up just right, the Democratic Party has to become more competitive Nationally, across the board. Otherwise we will always be on the defensive, afraid to lose a single Blue State, out of an abiding fear that each one is essential for a Democrat to squeak into the White House. That's an open invitation for Republican poachers to be our guests.

The Democratic Party has to break out of being pegged as just bi-coastal, with a few rust bucket colonies left still holding out in the Mid West against a spreading sea of Red. Failing to do so solidifies a carefully honed negative cultural stereotype of an elitist National Democratic Party that Republican repeatedly and effectively manipulate toward their partisan ends. Saying the South can't change politically over the next decade makes about as much sense today as a similar claim in the 1960's would have made then. Politics doesn't hold still and a party that mortgages it's political future by hoarding it's current political capital does so at extreme risk to it's fortunes. "Negroes" once overwhelmingly voted for Republican, Catholics once overwhelmingly voted for Democrats. Republicans got to dominant political position that they are in today by developing a political strategy for the future, which is exactly what Howard Dean is doing for Democrats today.

The fact that Nixon crashed and burned and Jimmy Carter got elected didn't negate the emerging new Republican majority strategy. Must the Democratic Party keep repeating the same mistakes, by failing to prepare for the future, that cut us down to an entrenched minority status in every branch of the National Government today?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 05:15 PM
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53. How do you confront a consultant who doesn't care what you think?
That is the problem.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 06:13 PM
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58. He won't listen but we have to confront his argument
Bloggers do have a voice of our own now, and the MSM does look over our shoulder. Plus we can write letters to editors and post on Democratic sites. I know Dean supporters know the drill MF, they are excellent at it. What we can't do is stay quiet and let that view point hang out there unchallenged.

Maybe I'll fine tune what I wrote and put it up at kos also. If enough of us write about this, it will get noticed.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 06:38 PM
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60. Give a link if you do. Will get you some recommends.
:hi:
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #60
72. OK. I think it got too late tonight for a new kos Diary
But I'll start one in the morning and I will give you a heads up about it.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 08:38 AM
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90. I put up the Kos Diary on this just now
Edited on Fri May-12-06 08:47 AM by Tom Rinaldo
It's called: Begala Vs Dean. Does It Really Matter? Slightly reworked from what I posted here above:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/12/93542/3064
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 06:47 PM
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62. Not before Dean is confronted on his betrayal of LGBTs on 700 Club!
Edited on Thu May-11-06 06:48 PM by IndianaGreen
Nixon followed a 50-state strategy in 1960 and he regretted doing so. It is one thing to invest scarce party resources in red states that suddenly become competitive, as Indiana has, it is quite another to waste scarce party resources chasing the fundie vote. Iran's Ahmadinejad is more likely to convert to Judaism than a fundie is to develop reason and an appreciation of science, much less vote for a Democratic candidate.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:33 PM
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67. If I thought Dean was putting lots of energy into wooing hard core fundies
Yes, I would think that was a serious mistake. But that isn't where his State efforts are focused. Yeah, I know about the 700 Club flub, and I'll comment on it below, but making an isolated appearance at a venue like that is not the same as pouring major resources into going after Fundie votes. An occasional appearance like that one can be played as a positive, if you don't flub the lines. It allows someone to show that they aren't afraid of anyone, that this isn't about us vs them as much as it is about steering a new sane course for this country that all Americans can be grateful for. In other words, if something like that goes off without a serious hitch, it can be used for good effect on the political after market. And had Dean gotten attacked harshly on the 700 Club, that would have resulted in some excellent press. Alas, Dean flubbed the Democratic platform, so now THAT is the story, and justifiably so.

I am not trying to sweep Dean's comments at the 700 Club under the rug, but I don't think it is fair to link them to the wisdom of a 50 State Democratic Party revitalization long term organizing strategy. The people Dean's efforts seem to most be energizing are populists who had been feeling hopeless and ignored in States that Democrats had seemed willing to write off.

From what I can tell, the Democratic Party 2004 Platform sidestepped the definition of a marriage, and numerous leading Democrats staked out positions in favor of full legal rights for Gay and Lesbian couples while leaving the literal definition of what constitutes the specific word "marriage" up to Churches and individual States. Dean conceded that he got the Party position wrong. Many individual Democrats who in general are strong supporters of Gay and Lesbian rights still stop short of advocating literal "Gay marriages" even while some of those same Democrats oppose a U.S. constitutional amendment that would deprive individual states and churches from reaching their own decisions on the matter.

From a gay and lesbian perspective, some Democrats are stronger supporters of their aspirations for absolute equality in all arenas of human life than others, certainly, but whatever anyone might claim about Howard Dean, or take from his initial 700 Club comments, Dean has been there for Gays and Lesbians in their struggles in the past. If some want to criticize him for his comments now, that is certainly legitimate, but I strongly differ with anyone who can not accept that when scanning the overall larger contemporary political landscape, Howard Dean is in the camp of those seeking to expand the rights and respect given to Gays and Lesbians in our culture.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 06:46 PM
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61. Transcript...
Edited on Thu May-11-06 06:48 PM by madfloridian
Sorry, I missed the MS part and put Nevada. Half right. Got Utah right.

BLITZER: Very quickly, is Howard Dean in trouble?

BEGALA: No. I think Candy's report was spot on.

He -- yes, he's in trouble, in that campaign managers, candidates, are really angry with him. He has raised $74 million and spent $64 million. He says it's a long-term strategy. But what he has spent it on, apparently, is just hiring a bunch of staff people to wander around Utah and Mississippi and pick their nose. That's not how you build a party. You win elections. That's how you build a party.

BLITZER: All right, we got to leave it there, guys, because we are out of time. Paul Begala...

WATTS: I can't comment on the good one?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0605/11/sitroom.01.html

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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:49 PM
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71. Begala's got it wrong
"You win elections. That's how you build a party."

Well guess what, Paul. You and your compatriots haven't won any elections. But Howard Dean's DNC has picked up quite a few. The first ones in a long time.
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RogueTrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 04:36 AM
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87. The Quote
"...That's not how you build a party. You win elections. That's how you build a party."

This is very similar to the quote used in yesterday's Washington Post story about the Democratic Party being fractured.

Dean, arguing for a long-term perspective, said that the party must become a presence everywhere, even in very Republican states in the South and the Mountain West. He was elected on an outsider's platform that promised a "50-state strategy" as the best way to revitalize a party routed from both the White House and Congress during most of the Bush years. "We have gone from election to election, and, if we don't win, then we've dug ourselves into a deep hole and we have nothing to start with," he said. "That is a cycle that has to be broken."

"The way you build long-term is to succeed short-term," Emanuel countered.

Traditionally, the DNC has been the main conduit to finance get-out-the-vote programs considered crucial in close elections. The DNC is also allowed to give cash gifts to the House and Senate committees.


Now, the question is: Is this a concerted strategy or the regurgitation of cocktail-party consensus talking points? My guess is that it is probably the later rather than the former; however the former could easily because a strategy if our Washington elites sense an opening. This point of view has surfaced from time to time over the last year.

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:20 PM
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75. Ahh Mr DLC wants to remain the only nose picker! This guy is a worthless
hack.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:05 PM
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78. Okay, If Begala thinks he can do it better, why doesn't he?
Why doesn't he take a job at the DNC or the DCCC instead of just staying at CNN and running his mouth? Why didn't he take a job on the Kerry campaign if he thought that he could've done a better job. I'm willing to listen to what Begala has to say but he either needs to put up or shut up.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:38 PM
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83. Best not link to that site.
Just a word of caution.
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threadkillaz Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:29 AM
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85. F off you gunslinger.
"I don't know what you're talking about," Begala said, blank-faced. "Nobody here but us gunslingers."

http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20040308&s=greider
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:33 AM
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86. Ooh, I had forgotten that remark from Begala.
Thanks for reminding me of some of Dean's best quotes from that article:

What the insiders loathed are the same qualities many of us found exhilarating. I already feel nostalgia for his distinctive one-liners:

"Too many of our leaders have made a devil's bargain with corporate and wealthy interests, saying 'I'll keep you in power if you keep me in power.'"

"As long as half the world's population subsists on less than two dollars a day, the US will not be secure.... A world populated by 'hostile have-nots' is not one in which US leadership can be sustained without coercion."

"Over the last thirty years, we have allowed multinational corporations and other special interests to use our nation's government to undermine our nation's promise."

"There is something about human beings that corporations can't deal with and that's our soul, our spirituality, who we are. We need to find a way in this country to understand--and to help each other understand--that there is a tremendous price to be paid for the supposed efficiency of big corporations. The price is losing the sense of who we are as human beings."

"In our nation, the people are sovereign, not the government. It is the people, not the media or the financial system or mega-corporations or the two political parties, who have the power to create change."

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MsMagnificent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 05:12 AM
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88. My husband does that for free
Don't tell him he could get paid for that... he'll change careers :scared:
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 09:21 AM
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92. Begala is on the outside looking in...
And the whittle baby don't likey......
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:11 PM
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93. Bingo!!! n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:35 PM
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94. But he gets lots of airtime to be insulting.
He may be looking in, but he sure gets the airtime.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:46 PM
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95. Still, not as much as you think...
maybe 300 to 400k pairs of eyeballs at any given time....

And that is stretching it.....
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fightingdem Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 01:45 PM
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98. Begala has become an overpaid insider whore
Writes books and stands around manfully getting his picture taken. I took campaign training at the 21st Century Dems a couple of years back and Begala was a "keynote" speaker. He regaled us with stories about how his insider buddy Republican friends really weren't "so bad". Like Carville's asshole wife. Fuck Begala.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 01:58 PM
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99. Begalia, the guy who peddled Kerry only to write a book about how he
was the wrong candidate, that Begala?

F him.
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