"Mexicans" were in TX, AZ, NM, and CA about 10,000 years before Europeans

Lefty48197

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Fri May-12-06 05:50 PM
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"Mexicans" were in TX, AZ, NM, and CA about 10,000 years before Europeans

It wasn't much more than a hundred years ago when Europeans first set foot in the southwestern states.

Now who's invading whose land?

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arcane1

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Fri May-12-06 05:52 PM
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1. and those states WERE Mexico not too long ago

my how we forget

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ixion

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Fri May-12-06 05:52 PM
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2. a.k.a. the Invasion of Mexico

per wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican-American_War

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Lefty48197

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Fri May-12-06 06:08 PM
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6. It's too bad we lost that war and had to take Texas.

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catnhatnh

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Fri May-12-06 05:53 PM
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3. Um....

spanish missions prior to 1700....your point may be valid but your facts need work...

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ixion

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Fri May-12-06 05:59 PM
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4. Spain invaded Mexico, too...

The Mexicans (and others, like the Mayans) were there hundreds of years before the Spainards ever set foot there.

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Lefty48197

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Fri May-12-06 06:07 PM
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5. Ok, ok, but the missionaries didn't try to kick the "Mexicans" out

like the right wingers are trying to do. So I guess the "Mexicans" only beat the missionaries to California by 9850 years.

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SlipperySlope

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Fri May-12-06 06:11 PM
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7. And then what?

There were "mexicans" in that land. And that then land became US territory. And then what happened?

Were all the "mexicans" rounded up and sent south?
Were they exterminated in rounds of "ethnic cleaning"?

Or did they stay on the land and become US citizens?

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DeaconBlues

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Fri May-12-06 06:33 PM
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8. No, they weren't

Native Americans were here thousands of years before European colonization, not Mexicans. Only 20% of modern Mexicans are of pure Native American ancestry, and their ancestors came from groups that resided in what is now Mexico. Around 60% of Mexicans have mixed European/Indian ancestry. Almost 20% of the Mexican population consider themselves to be solely of European descent.

Mexico did not exist as a nation or a people until the nineteenth century. If anyone was given the shaft, it was Native Americans, not the government/citizens of Mexico.

Open-border advocates/Mexican government apologists need to get their facts straight.

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Lefty48197

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Sat May-13-06 08:32 AM
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14. So what you're saying is that 80% of Mexicans are descendants

of the "natives" who have been here/there for about 10,000 years beating the Europeans by nearly all 10,000 of those years. And you were trying to COUNTER my argument with this?

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blondeatlast

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Sat May-13-06 09:09 AM
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15. Don't confuse him./her with the facts...

or the obvious, for that matter.

I was ready to respond to that post almost exactly as you did!

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DeaconBlues

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Sat May-13-06 04:27 PM
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17. I'll give you the same advice I give to Lefty

a mind really is a terrible thing to waste

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DeaconBlues

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Sat May-13-06 04:26 PM
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16. the ancesters of "Mexicans" were not in the Southwest

thousands of years ago. They were in what is now Mexico. Mixed European/Indian individuals (what most people identify with Mexican) did not migrate to the area until a few centuries ago with Spanish colonization.

I too have Native American ancestry, but I am from the east coast. Just because I have Indian ancestry, does this mean that I can lay claim to Mexico, which was once solely populated by Native Americans? I guess I'll pack my bags, because if your logic is right, Mexico owes me a living.

Take Logic 101, you might learn something.

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msongs

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Fri May-12-06 06:37 PM
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9. unlikely the hopis, navajos, apaches, chumash called themselves mexicans

this whole argument (it was stolen from the "mexicans") is bogus to use as a commentary on past events relating to original inhabitants, because it only goes back to the point that meets the needs of the persons advocating this position.

the population of the desert southwest was quite likely taking land from each other long before the first europeans came on the scene.

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madrchsod

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Fri May-12-06 07:11 PM
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10. bringing up this again?

this argument is absurd and it`s inflammatory. humans have migrated across the planet ever since they stood upright and they will continue to do so until our species dies out. everyone here in the northern and southern americas came from somewhere else and will continue to do so.

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Lefty48197

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Sat May-13-06 08:29 AM
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13. and your point is?

What? That the new comers can move into somebody else's territory, declare the land theirs, and kick out the original residents? Is it just a fact that I should accept?

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gr8dane_daddy

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Sat May-13-06 01:38 AM
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11. Can't be true...

the earth was created only 6,000 miles ago, silly willies! :rofl:

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CPMaz

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Sat May-13-06 03:14 AM
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12. Your point is valid, but the Spanish had expeditions in the SW

Edited on Sat May-13-06 03:16 AM by CPMaz

and California in the 1500s.

And the people that were here when the Spanish arrived came from somewhere else before that.

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Minnesota Libra

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Sat May-13-06 04:31 PM
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18. Here we go again nt

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