How can Biden blast illegal spying, but support Hayden?

ProSense

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Sun May-14-06 10:56 AM
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How can Biden blast illegal spying, but support Hayden?

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Earlier Friday, Democratic Sen. Joe Biden blasted the surveillance program but called Hayden "a first-rate guy."

"He's caught right in the middle of this," Biden, of Delaware, told CBS' "The Early Show." "I think it's going to make it difficult."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/12/hayden.ap

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Guy Whitey Corngood

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Sun May-14-06 10:57 AM
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1. Because he knows he's the real deal and he likes him? n/t

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rodeodance

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Sun May-14-06 11:00 AM
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2. Hayden and the WH market Hayden as Tough on Terror: Biden can not

be viewed as weak on terror by opposing him. Whatever you think of Biden, he and other Dems are in this Catch 22 at the moment.

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xray s

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Sun May-14-06 11:05 AM
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4. The Dems have been in Catch 22 since 911

Edited on Sun May-14-06 11:05 AM by xray s

They don't seem interested in changing that. Afraid of the big bad Rove marketing machine.

So we muddle through another election cycle. And plod headlong into another war.

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rodeodance

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Sun May-14-06 11:07 AM
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5. yes, you are right.

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dajoki

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Sun May-14-06 12:47 PM
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11. politically afraid...

what else is new. If Biden is trying for a run in '08 he has to act tough on terra and also get enough Dems for primary win.(not that they are exclusive to each other)But he seems to want it both ways.

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ProSense

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Sun May-14-06 11:21 AM
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6. I don't agree.

Spying on Americans is a clear violation of the law, and as head of the NSA Hayden was directly involved. There are areas that are muddled, this is not one of them. I remember reading (in the NYT artic) about all the officials that left the NSA or refused to participate in the illegal activities. He could have resigned. Of course, Bush would have replaced him with another crony. There is no need to lather praise on Hayden.

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xray s

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Sun May-14-06 01:52 PM
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15. Agreed!

This is a clear violation of the law AND our constitutional rights. It's Biden's response that is muddled.

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Oceansaway

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Sun May-14-06 11:01 AM
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3. Biden is an idiot...imo...n/t

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nancyr

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Sun May-14-06 12:13 PM
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7. Biden is an idiot

An idiot politician, that is. But, I repeat myself.

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shance

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Sun May-14-06 12:23 PM
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8. Because he's a paid operative that is supposed to confuse and hinder

positive change. That's his job.

He's not a Democrat. He's bought and paid for.

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Stinky The Clown

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Sun May-14-06 12:40 PM
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9. Biden is also called (by me) 'Breezy Joe'

He just blows with the wind.

Great speeches and then stupid votes. Ever-changing positions. And as another DUer pointed out, every one of his speeches is loaded with the pronoun 'I' .... and is very economical with the pronoun 'we'.

I've also called him Joey Wet Finger ...... for his normal habit of testing the wind direction before speaking.

He's a politician first and foremost.

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tishaLA

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Sun May-14-06 04:02 PM
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17. The best example of that was with Kristen Breitweiser

on Hairball. He was on there yammering endlessly about the Moussaoui decision, entertaining Tweety with his well rehearsed lines of conventional wisdom. Until Breitweisser came on the screen and started telling some truth and he had to turn on a dime and begin with a whole new story.

It was so embarrassing I thought his plugs might jump out of his scalp.

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Stinky The Clown

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Sun May-14-06 04:16 PM
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18. I saw that ..... that was on the first airing of the show

.... there was some reason to cut away to some live event. The second show was also a live show and he had each guest do a more or less monologue.

Kristen Breitwiser was sooooooo good. She cut him off at the knees with his 'convetional wisdom' shit so well that he turned as fast as any UFO ever *hoped* it could.

She was brilliant.

He was ..... breezy.

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leftofthedial

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Sun May-14-06 12:43 PM
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10. the financial services industry wants Hayden

the destruction of privacy and making all our information public is their wet dream

Hayden is doing it for them.

Biden is their butt boy.

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gulliver

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Sun May-14-06 12:58 PM
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12. Hayden was just the operative.

(It's not exactly rocket science either, so I wouldn't credit the guy with evil genius.)

It will be interesting to hear how Hayden made his decision that the orders he was given were lawful. Did Bush tell Hayden about Gonzalez failed efforts to make the spying legal and successful efforts to conceal the spying from oversight? Did Hayden just assume a presidential order was lawful?

Everyone should know by now that the Bushies are picking a fight. I think it is wise of Biden to approach this with an open mind. If Hayden emerges smelling like a rose and Bush smells (more) like manure, I'm fine with it.

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kentuck

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Sun May-14-06 01:05 PM
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13. We have a "bi-polar" Party...

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IndianaGreen

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Sun May-14-06 01:10 PM
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14. Because Biden, Lieberman, and Hillary support Bush's power grab

for the simple reason that they support the same goals of Bush's policies of expanding and protecting American imperialism by force abroad, and restrict the civil liberties of troublemaking progressives at home.

Remember that Biden's gripe with Bush has always been tactical, not strategic!

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frylock

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Sun May-14-06 03:52 PM
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16. because joe likes to talk out of both sides of his ass

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