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Lib Grrrrl

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Tue May-16-06 09:15 PM
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Voting Verification Idea

I don't know if this is feasible, but...do you think we could, in conjuntion with MoveOn, PFAW, etc...open up a website where voters who voted would also go to a website, and record what they voted there?

And then...if, in any county...we have more people who say they voted Democrat...than the official tally, we have them dead-to-rights, don't we?

The problem would be in reching out to all Democratic voters to make sure they all went along with it.

Why should we trust Diebold to RECORD our votes accurately, when we can trust them to tally them correctly?

We should have our own, independent verification system set up and in place, to make sure ALL OUR VOTES GET COUNTED!

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Kutjara

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Tue May-16-06 09:22 PM
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1. It's a good idea...

...but I fear many people simply wouldn't bother (or even be aware that the site existed).

There probably needs to be some functionality tie-in to the electronic voting system that registers the vote both locally (for tallying purposes) and on a secure website (the emphasis being on "secure") so that the voter can check that their vote was recorded correctly. While this may not motivate people to check the correctness of their vote, it would provide some sort of verification that post-ballot tampering hadn't occured.

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KaryninMiami

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Tue May-16-06 09:23 PM
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2. Clint Curtis has already created this - Have a look!

https://www.votenow2006.net/index.asp

As a short-term fix, this web site will provide a place where every citizen can record their preference in secret and the actual totals of elections can be verified independently. Who you vote for will never be disclosed without your permission. Candidates and news agencies will be provided only with the raw numbers not the voters identification. In the event that the machines provide incorrect tabulations or are purposely flipped, the individual voter will be contacted. Each voter will be able to make an individual decision about how (or if) they wish to challenge or recall events. At a minimum, voters will know whether their vote counted.

PS By the way, election fraud whistleblower Clint Curtis is Running for Congress against Tom Feeney and needs our help- please visit his site and donate if you can to help restore our credible elections!...

www.clintcurtis.com

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Lib Grrrrl

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Tue May-16-06 10:36 PM
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5. Well, Great Minds Think Alike!!!

The only problem I see is the logistics of getting the word out to everyone...and the fact that not everyone has access to the Internet.

But we gotta do SOMETHING.

We are gonna have to catch these bastards red-handed, or make them so scared that they dare not fuck with the election!

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napi21

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Tue May-16-06 09:31 PM
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3. Too many people are still locked in on the "secret ballot idea".

There's no way to prove something done online, and if you signed your name, that would eliminate the secret ballot.

It's sad, but there are some very good reasons why people are scared for others to know who they voted for. Some political, some financial (as when your boss is a partisan idiot), and some violent (as in when a husband would actually physically punish his wife for voting for the "wrong Party" or wrong candidate!).

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virgdem

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Tue May-16-06 09:51 PM
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4. I recall something I heard the other day..

about mailing in your choice of candidate to that candidate so that if a question were to arise as to the validity of the vote based on a close race, the candidate could then produce the affidavits of those who voted for him as verification. I believe that this was done once already, but not sure, as I tuned in at the tail end of the conversation.

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Lib Grrrrl

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Tue May-16-06 10:41 PM
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7. Well, Again

SOMETHING has to be done. And we're gonna have to do it independently. and get the word out to enough voters...and get enough participation so that the Repukes will be too SCARED to fuck with the election.

We gotta take matters into our OWN hands. It is quite obvious by now that the Democratic Party...and the MSM...will never call the Repukes to account for election stealing.

We need to have the irrefutable proof, and then we need to take them to court ourselves.

We will have to fight this battle ourselves.

I suggest getting organized. We should have a person in charge of every state. That person will be reported to be a representative of every county. The county person will be the one to whom votes are sent.

something along that line.

We absolutely HAVE to put pressure on the Repukes to play fair. We cannot continue to allow them to steal elections...and get away with it.

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linazelle

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Tue May-16-06 10:40 PM
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6. I think it would at least show a sample if not all of the voters--like

an exit poll.

However, without security, you run the risk of being freeped. And believe me, they would try to taint it--if not the real freepers, the election thieves would try tainting it to discredit it to keep from being discredited themselves.

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Lib Grrrrl

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Tue May-16-06 10:42 PM
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8. No...Because WE Would Be Counting ONLY Votes For Democrats

all votes in our system would be votes for Democrats only.

We would not be counting the votes of the assholes. Only Democrats.

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linazelle

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Tue May-16-06 10:49 PM
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9. That's a good control--however, there are way too many dems

who don't have e-access and you will never get the numbers to jibe. Maybe if you had a website AND an 800 number or something, that might help.

Finally, what happens if the numbers don't match? Say they are higher than what the thieves report? Whose media will you use to broadcast the news on? The MSM won't touch it. The thieves will find every "expert" from around the globe to refute you and discredit you.

I'm just playing the devil's advocate.

I give you credit for at least thinking about solutions.

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Lib Grrrrl

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Wed May-17-06 09:38 PM
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15. Thanks

All's I know is there HAS to be SOME WAY we can get an independent verification that our votes counted...and that they tabulated for who we actually voted for, and for who we intended to vote for.

there just HAS to be a way. Right now, I am not at all convinced of the integrity of the voting system...and, if you don't have a voting system that is beyond reproach, beyond doubt...then you do not have a democracy - no matter how it may appear on the surface.

Remember, Saddam got 99.98 percent of the vote. Do you think that was a democracy? It was a sham. and I fear OUR elections are likewise becoming a sham...and that our democracy is dead.

Only WE can revive it. but we have to come up with a way to do it.

the powers that be, currently...I don't think they WANT us to have a democracy.

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jwirr

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Tue May-16-06 10:50 PM
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10. Why not set up an altenative "booth" outside the exit door of

every polling place we are worried about and offer voters a chance to "paper vote" at our booth as soon as they are done inside? Big sign announcing the safeguard to both repugs and Democrats.

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linazelle

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Wed May-17-06 09:57 PM
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16. That's a good idea...but what do you do with the information?

The MSM won't air it. The locked down regime in charge won't recognize it.

It's doable but establishing it so that the results are accepted and reported is the problem.

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jwirr

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Wed May-17-06 10:07 PM
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17. I think that is the problem with all of our alternative voting ideas.

Maybe what we need is such a big landslide victory that even they cannot steal enough votes to win.

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neoblues

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Tue May-16-06 11:00 PM
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11. Here's one potential strategy... Voter Receipt System

Here's one potential strategy...

The Voter Receipt Program

Make Your Receipt (MYR)

Stop Voting Fraud Dead In Its Tracks Now!

If the GOP-controlled-Congress and state and county officials continue to refuse to purchase voting machines that issue a receipt, as is likely, we can still stop election fraud in 2006 and 2008 dead in its tracks by simply issuing our own election receipts. The 2006 election will only have Senators and members of the House as well as some important State positions.

What's required is this: you and each voter will fill his or her own receipt out and hand it to the Democractic Party Poll Watcher, designated the Vote Receipt Holder at each precinct in America. If exit polls indicate a problem, or if poll workers and watchers see evidence of vote counting misrepresentations, the receipts can be counted and if they differ from the "official" results of the precinct, county, or state, individual candidates and/or any voter or group of voters or party can file a lawsuit immediately--based upon the receipt count as evidence that all the votes were not counted! Also, the voter receipts will be evidence of a crime for the FBI or state officials to investigate. Sign up if you're willing to help!

more...

Sample Voter Receipt (PDF)

A related page: The Voter Receipt Program System Explained

Remember, whether by this means or some other, we must be able to document/verify our votes in the next election, no... matter... what... else... we... do!
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Disclaimer: I hope this is not too repetitive (if at all), but in my opinion, it and other such potential strategies for coping with the inevitable voter fraud cannot be posted too many times. This issue should be our primary concern until it has been resolved because it represents an insurmountable obstacle and infringement of our most basic Democratic power as citizens!

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Lib Grrrrl

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Tue May-16-06 11:21 PM
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12. Replying Also To Message #10 Here

sounds like I'm late on the bandwagon, ideas...good ideas have been being thought up already.

But I swear I came up with this on my own...great minds think alike...we gotta do something!

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neoblues

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Wed May-17-06 12:29 AM
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13. Believe it or not...

I believe you.

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zann725

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Wed May-17-06 09:49 AM
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14. I say vote by "Certified Mail"...or receive "Verified Receipt of Vote-For"

Votes which can be DOUBLY verified on-line...by ehcking by your SS# WHO your vote was recorded FOR. If it shows otherwise, dispute.

Certainly an ATM-receipt type thing (as said many times before) is already do-able by Diebold bank ATM's. And since on-line banking balance transfer verification is INSTANTLY verifiable on-line, so could YOUR VOTE.

Why should we ALL not be able to see instantly (via printable ATM-like vote receipt WHO our vote credited to. AND on-line...again.

To say that this technology is NOT possible (with NO NEW inventions) shows the extent of the lack of interest of the "Parties that Be" to correct EF immediately, WITHOUT error. It would only be UP to each voter to verify their own vote.

And to verify EACH voter IS who they say they are (not some "dead" voter re-incarnated), "finger-print scans at time of voting is also possible.

The technology to ENSURE the True Victory already exists. Why are we not using it, but lying there... implying something NEW (involving great invention and time is involved.) EF is only possible, IF we LET it happen.

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