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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 11:53 AM
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William Jefferson Whiplash!
Ok, just what the bloody hell is going on around the Capitol?


Last week, just last week, we had Alberto Gonzales threatening to ignore the First Amendment and take the unprecedented steps of prosecuting journalists.  We had the DOJ claiming they didn't have the security clearances to investigate the NSA Spying issue.  We had the SEC unable to move forward on tracking the money flow involved in the NSA due to actions taken by John Negroponte.  We had the FCC, who wouldn't lift a finger. We had allegations of warrantless physical searches, indications that AT&T had provided access to our email and Rep James Sensenbrenner was starting to talk about allowing ISPs to track our website visits, meanwhile Alberto Gonzales is already doing it, law or no law.


This week, James Sensenbrenner says that the raid on Wililam Jeffersons office has created a Constitutional Crisis and in response Alberto Gonzales and FBI Director Robert Meuller have both threated to resign if the papers taken from Jefferson's Office - in a bribery case - are returned? What!!?

Jane at Firedoglake is completely flabberghasted on this one.


To say I do not understand WTF is going on between the Justice Department, the OVP, the White House and Congressional Republicans in the William Jefferson affair would be an understatement. I doubt right now if many can claim to know what this weird dance is all about.


Abu Gonzales has never found a position so base he could not justify at Dubya's request -- from torture to illegal wiretapping to threatening journalists and rubber stamping all manner of unlimited executive overreach -- but he's finally drawing a line in the sand over returning documents seized in a bribery scandal?


Dennis Hastert has gleefully played marionette to perhaps the biggest crook in the House, Tom DeLay, and has happily facilitated the White House's efforts to hack off limbs of Congressional authority, but now he's ready to force a constitutional crisis defending a member of the Black Congressional Caucus?


Georgia10 thinks is all about self-preservation.


I think Georgia is right, and then some. But what I wonder just what does this very sudden about face on privacy and Constitutional issues do to the Republican Congresses previous position that pretty much anything the NSA and FBI wanted to do to snoop and spy on the American people was just honky dory.


"If you've done nothing wrong - you have nothing to worry about!"


Hmm... look who'se looking mighty worried now.


What this really portrays isn't really a sudden concern for the sanctity of the Fourth Amendment, the only sanctity they're trying to preserve is that of Congress within the confines of the Capitol.  If the FBI can raid William Jefferson's office - even with a subpeona and search warrant - then they can raid Dennis Hastert's Office, or James Sensenbrenners or Bill (I'm still being investigated by the SEC) Frist's office.


I think this is a far nastier situation than we'd really recognized so far.


Bush aides were also worried about a war with the Republican House if the president did not act.


"If you tell the House to stick it where the sun don't shine, you're talking about a fundamentally corrosive relationship between two branches of government," the senior administration official said. "They could zero out funding; they could say, 'Okay, you can do subpoenas, so can we.' "


As a matter of fact, the House can do subpeonas - hell, they should have been doing subpeonas for the last three years.  Imagine if you will, the prospect of a retaliatory subpeona raid on the White House for things like the still missing Jack Abramoff entry records, or the classified executive orders that granted the NSA authority to setup their secret rooms at AT&T?


This is of course why the President has decided to create a 45-Day cooling off period, by holding the documents under seal for that time. The last thing he wants is to truly piss-off the House which has been covering his ass for the last five years.  And the last thing the House wants is for the Federal Election Commission to start really looking into all the lobbying money that has flowed from Saucy Jack Abramoff to Hammerin' Tom Delay and through the pockets of all but Three House Republicans.  Tom may be gone, but his money trail lingers.


Just keep remembering, that these guys are so scared - they forgot that they were defending a Democrat.  Considering the type of low-ball dirty pool bullshit they've been pulling over the last decade (and more) against Democrats -- they have to be piss-stain afraid of something being discovered either in Jefferson's papers (where did the money come from and who else received bribes?) or in their own papers if additional raids are likely to be authorized.


And I wonder, just how does all of this play in the "Heartland"?


Well over at Redstate - this is what they have to say.

Courtesy of Speaker Dennis Hastert who had a staffer write wrote this editorial regarding the seizure of documents from Rep. Jefferson's office. The editorial is so opaque, so utterly and completely devoid of any meaningful information that one wonders why the Speaker went through the trouble of actually writing it. Perhaps it is better or more accurate to say that the Speaker non-wrote the editorial, since a writing with so much fluff and so little substance practically negates itself.


Ouch! Not going over too well it would seem.


Vyan

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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 12:19 PM
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1. Fascinating -- The Noose Seems To Be Tightening On The GOP
The Republicans seem to be painting themselves ever further into a corner.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 01:07 PM
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2. Vyan Welcome to DU!!! Thanks for "memorializing" this.
The key point here is that we really don't know what's up - "Abeu Gonzalez" - perfect, versus, Denny and the boys (wrestling team). What in the world is the about. But I remember living in NYC in the 70's and watching the NY Daily News report on the mob wars...with a daily box score listing the five families and the number of lives lost. I think the Gonzo - Denny conflict is an irony foisted on the Republicans by an angry God, forcing them to demonstrate the risks of unbridled power through the personae of crooks and rights violators. It's too rich, I think I'm going to church, well, maybe I'll drive by and had a positive thought. This is not random, we're being toyed with by a supreme power with an absurdist sense of humor...cheers, it can only get better.
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 02:33 PM
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3. The FBI raiding Jefferson's office reminds me so much of...
Edited on Sun May-28-06 02:35 PM by Independent_Liberal
...the Daniel Ellsberg incident in Watergate. Many have said the Attorney General, Deputy Attorney General and FBI Director threatening to resign reminds them of Saturday Night Massacre.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 06:35 PM
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7. Except not.
I realize the appearance of a principled stand is what they're going for, but we already know these men have no principles. So I simply have to assume something much nastier and darker is in play.

I only know that no Republican office has been raided.

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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 07:53 PM
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11. if FBI is going to search congressional offices, why not DeLay's
and Cunningham's and ???????
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 10:31 AM
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23. I think the difference is that
the others obeyed the subpoenas issued by the judicial branch and turned over things like e-mails and documents.

At least that's the claim: Jefferson had the Congress reject the court-issued subpoena for documents; then the executive asked the judicial branch to issue a warrant, and the judicial branch found probable cause and no constitutional problem if certain safeguards were followed.

Whether or not the safeguards were followed is a question that's been seldom asked. And the judicial branch's activity has been overlooked in this.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 05:25 PM
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4. Thanks for this well documented summary of a very interesting situation
I am still pondering this situation - somethings rotten in Denmark Congress....
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 05:28 PM
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5. Of course I don't know.....but
I do get the sense that this Jefferson sting (no doubt intended to "bi-partisanize" the corruption) inadvertently pulled the tail of a very large elephant in the same room. Mostly, I don't understand this whole incident - but the Repub reaction in support of someone they normally would have paid to discredit and smear is sooooo un-natural that there must be some kinda very direct connection. Probably the most obvious, that other (re)Public(an) Servants did some very similar stuffing of their freezers at or near the same time.

So, I'm guessing, that we should look for some kind of very direct connection between these incidents to appear soon - rather than something that just parallels Jefferson's crime.
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japple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 06:13 PM
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6. I recall reading/hearing that the GOP was trying to woo Jefferson
over to the dark side. Probably read that somewhere here at DU. Will do some more checking. Maybe Jefferson has the goods on someone.
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eringer Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 06:36 PM
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8. Chicken Little was Right!
This is what happens when there are too many hands in the cookie jar and the jar runs out of cookies.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 06:39 PM
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9. What I continue to not understand is how Jefferson got any money.
The goal of the K Street Project was to strip the baksheesh from Democratic hands and pile it only Republican laps.

How was Jefferson able to wheedle his way into the honeypot?
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CGrantt57 Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 06:53 PM
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10. People, people, people....
When, oh when, will you start to understand your enemy.

None of this is anything but posturing.

But, why posture?

Gee, could it be to make the case seem a lot more important than it is?

Hmmmmmm...

Come with me while we take a look inside Karl Rove's mind.

Come on. Don't be scared.

"Let's see, we have lots of Repukelicans with their feet to the fire in corruption scandals.

So far, we have had only this democrat.

What's a good strategy for keeping this one pissant scandal on the front news page and relegating all the other bad shit about us to the dustbin?

I'VE GOT IT!!

I'll tell Gonzales to whip up some kind of nebulous 'constitutional crisis' over this. Maybe he should threaten to quit, or something.

That way, all the papers will be buzzing about it, and we'll keep it on Page 1 while all the other crap blows over.

Cool. That'll work."


You don't need a tinfoil hat to figure this one out, just a passing knowledge of Macchiavelli, and Karl Rove.

:tinfoilhat:

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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 08:03 PM
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12. Welcome to DU. Excellent post. nt
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 10:34 PM
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16. I agree
this has Rove written all over it, keep the Jefferson Case on the front page. Then get Bu$h to lock down what the FBI found because (I suspect) they stumbled on something on Hasert, now Bu$h can protect Hasert and use that for leverage to get him to compromise on the Senate version of the immigration bill. They may have needed to get back into those offices and after the stink that was raise, how to cover it? What better than shots fired in the building, they get everyone out, and the FBI can finish snooping without interference.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 08:47 AM
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22. Wow, I hadn't made that connection.
I hadn't thought of that connection. :tinfoilhat: I'm a little skeptical, but the gunfire report apparently did originate with Republican Jim Saxton (and Saxton has been linked to Abramoff and Wilkes). People were asked to stay in their offices or committee rooms with doors closed, that could give someone carte blanche to rifle through things in any unoccupied office. I wonder if any staff were in Jefferson's office at the time. I suppose there's no way to find out.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 11:22 PM
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18. But why a Saturday news dump of the AG & FBI threat
to quit? We all planned on something for Friday. Can't figure out if they want a big splash with this story or to minimize it. That damn web this bunch keeps weaving is deliberate but, boy, are they good at it.
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CGrantt57 Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 07:40 AM
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19. a Saturday news dump
To make the Sunday Dailies, of course.

More folks read the Sunday headlines than read the weekly ones.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 07:42 AM
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20. No, not this time
This is serious. It is about the separation of powers.

If this one raid is allowed to stand, it will open the door to other raids; and this just might have been the test case.

Hastert and his Republican buddies must fear that the Executive Branch may threaten to or actually pay one of them a Saturday night visit. That's the last thing they want. Each member could potentially be open to bribery, blackmail, or extortion (if they're not already). Just because they have a history of rolling over on Bush's* many illegalities, it doesn't mean they haven't begun to think about having their own calls/emails monitored. The Jefferson raid might be what broke the camel's back. Who's to say a Democratic White House may one day do the same.

Another issue to think about is if the Democrats take control of the House or Senate in November - if the Jefferson raid is allowed to stand, there's no telling what the Executive Branch will do.

Once the Democrats begin the multiple investigations, the last thing we would want is the Executive Branch to use Justice to raid key Dem offices on trumped up search warrants. THIS is the reason our founding fathers gave each branch separate powers. The sad thing is our Justice is in cahoots with Bush*. Gonzalez has not hidden the fact that he has lost sight of his job description - which is to represent 'We the People' - instead he enthusiastically represents Bush*.

The report of Gonzalez, McNulty and whomever else were threatening to resign - well, that was drama. Drama to highlight that Jefferson might get away with something - drama to take the highlight away that they should not have raided that office.

Justice should have found another means to get Jefferson to comply with previous court orders; like taking him before a judge and have the judge throw his butt in jail for contempt of court for refusing to follow court orders.

I'm sure there are other explanations to add on to this. I don't agree, though, that this is a Karl Rove production, not this time.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 08:20 PM
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13. Excellent compilation of a mind boggling situation
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 08:57 PM
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14. Abu Gonzalez claims to be more base than *
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 09:58 PM
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15. I'll tell you what's happening, according to...
Doyle McManus, Los Angeles Times Washington bureau chief, the FBI didn't just Raid Jefferson's office and confiscated a few files, They grabbed 2 Boxes full of Files along with Computer disks, computers, etc.

<http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5436280>

Plus, he pointed out that he has learned that the FBI has more that 2000 on going investigations of members of Congress!!! So this raid sets a VERY bad precedence, meaning, if they can get away with doing this once, they can do this against ANY of the other members of Congress at ANY time!

So big deal, Right? It IS a Big Deal, because if it is allowed to stand, it could turn into Blackmail!

We all know that most of the ReThugs are dirty, and only about 20% of Americans think they are not, so any time the someone starts voting AGAINST "the president," they might warn them once, but if they continue to vote against "the president," their office gets raided, and they can almost be assured of a frame-up, via the DOJ.

BTW, I don't buy the "Jefferson took Bribes" story, it looks like entrapment and a frame-up to me, check out this post I wrote for more details: <http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2308499&mesg_id=2308600>

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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 11:11 PM
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17. Wish I could put my thoughts together with such wording
It is great we have people on this site that can write thoughtful posts.
Things are truly wormy on the Hill.
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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 07:59 AM
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21. Total BS...Just another way to keep the "corrupt Democrat" on page one.

That also explains Bush's magnanimous 45 day hold...this story will run all the way up to the midterms.

Does anyone really believe that Bush didn't sign off on this raid in the first place? Of course he did. Everything since then has followed the Rovian script to keep the (single) corrupt Democrat on the front page/lead story in the MSM.

They nail it at Kos:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/5/27/52920/6281
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:18 PM
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24. 45 days is just enough time for everyone to clean out their office.
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APPLE314 Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:38 PM
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25. Moving on down - to the small times.
Things will never change. They haven't in 65 years that I know of. One of my first memories as a kid was walking out to the police car on Sunday and handing the money into the policeman. I was 4 years old. They always gave me a few dollars for handling the transaction, and the police always thought it was "so cute" to have a 4 year old for a bag man. There was 30 little houses along the riverfront with ladies in them and the police made sure they got their share. What's different with them then, and the current crop we have in Washington? The only difference I see is the fact that the numbers are much larger.

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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 01:38 PM
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26. Frist and Hastert are now OK with FBI raid on Jefferson's office,
just in time to honor those who died for our liberty.

After meeting with WH officials, each is now offering a mealy-mouthed "Yes, I see how this is appropriate and legal now."

The WH is using the FBI in J. Edgar Hoover's time-honored way: collecting dirt on friends and enemies alike. Sometimes it's harder to keep your friends in line than your enemies.

Frist and Hastert were assured that the hounds were being released very selectively, and that they need not worry. For now.
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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 07:00 PM
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27. From John Wilkes to William Jefferson
I wrote this and posted it as its own thread earlier today--don't even know if anybody read it, but it is relevant here.


From John Wilkes and Robespierre, to Tom DeLay and William Jefferson (skipping a few steps)




If I correctly recall undergraduate history, then one thing that professors persistently keep trying to get through to the students is that it is necessary to understand the historical context in which things happen before we can begin to judge the actors of a particular historical era.

I recall discussion of one three quarter History of Western Civilization sequence (actually another section rather than the one I was in) where, relatively early in the first quarter, the students were presented with the actions of Solon, and then relatively late in the third quarter with to the actions of Mussolini.

Then, on the third quarter final examination the actions of Solon and Mussolini alike were described in a few straightforward factual sentences, and the students were asked to differentiate the actions of the two. The descriptions made the actions look very nearly identical, although, of course, the actions selected for the description were carefully chosen.

The fundamental underlying difference was that historical context in which Solon and Mussolini acted were so different that comparison of the superficially similar actions was essentially meaningless. It was one thing to use harsh and-—by modern day standards—-autocratic means to bring order to a small corner of the world where, by coincidence, a democracy (which in retrospect attained great historical significance) was desperately trying to establish itself. It was something else entirely to use similar tactics to bring a kind of order to twentieth century Italy at the cost of many of the better points of the civilization that had developed over millennia.

So, let us focus a bit more narrowly on the subject of political corruption.

John Wilkes is one of the most important, if these days little known, of politicians who stood strongly for liberty in the face of an autocratic monarchy in England at the time of the American Revolution. This same John Wilkes was, by any standard, a very corrupt politician. He was a rake. He used much of the fortune that he had obtained through marriage for a long career of drinking, gambling, whoring, and election briberies. Yet he was one of the few Members of Parliament who had the courage, and whatever else it took to stand up to the monarchy of George III, and he did so in the name of liberty, and he was repeatedly returned to Parliament from his district of Westminster, in the face of charges, and even convictions.

Law, including American law on such points as general warrants, reasonable search and seizure, the right of a jury in a criminal libel case to determine not only the fact of publication but also whether the material published was libelous, the scope of Parliamentary immunity, whether a Member of Parliament had the right to publish the proceedings of Parliament, whether the electors could return a convict to Parliament, whether a person who had been wronged by the actions of the agents of the King could sue the agents and collect punitive damages for the invasion of his liberty, and other important points owes much of its development to the trials of John Wilkes. Wilkes' trials became a symbol of liberty on both sides of the Atlantic. (Among other things, Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania is named partly for him—-as was, of course, John Wilkes Booth.)

What is important for us, in our immediate discussion of liberty and political corruption to take from John Wilkes? Well, for starters, we should recognize that certain types of political corruption are not inconsistent with the development of liberty, or of commerce either. If one reflects on the fact that originally the members of Parliament were not paid, but were simply expected to look after their own interests to the extent necessary to compensate them for their troubles, then that conclusion is inescapable. John Wilkes provides one concrete example well worth remembering.

As a counter-point, let us briefly compare Robespierre and the Committee for Public Safety. In their day, when radical republican meant something entirely different than it does now, hypocrisy and corruption became capital offenses. A short and unfair synopsis of the result would be that everyone, including certainly Robespierre, who was an advocate of the principle, became himself guilty, and paid the price. This was a man who-—presumably—-believed in liberty, but the very insistence on the complete absence of corruption became one of the factors in the destruction of liberty, and the establishment of a tyranny.

OK, let us now compare corruption in our own time, using Tom DeLay and William Jefferson as examples. DeLay’s actions and alleged crimes strike at the heart of a free republic. They constitute a type of institutional corruption of government. The phrase “culture of corruption” aptly describes standard operating procedure in a Washington environment where lobbying has become a larger industry than ever before, where many laws are written by lobbyists, and where established rules of procedure are strictly followed or waived at the determination of the majority leader to suit his agenda. The essential attributes of liberty, and checks on tyrannical government have been routinely belittled along with the reputations of any who dared to speak of the importance of such principles, or even to simply speak the truth.

Compare William Jefferson--no doubt a corrupt politician. He is apparently one naive enough to get caught on tape accepting a cash bribe instead of going through the money laundering processes that the DeLay organization has used to hide its actions from the public eye and legal process. Is there not something touching in the relative innocence of someone naive enough to take a cash bribe?

What’s really going on? Why Jefferson? If this was a sting operation then why was he selected? It does not appear that he has the measure of power that would inspire or provoke a Whitewater type witch hunt such as that that came down upon William Jefferson Clinton. Was he simply considered an easy mark where corruption could rather easily be established so as to raise a counterpoint to the Democratic claims of a Republican “culture of corruption”? If so, to some extent, it seems to be working.

William Jefferson tells us there are two sides to every story. Legally, William Jefferson has every right to hold his tongue to insist he he his side to tell when the time come, and to maintain his innocence until proven guilty. Legally this can not be held against him. Politically too, he has the right to hold his tongue, and to refuse to resign until proven guilty. Politically however, the polity has every right to hold the evidence presented, and his silence in the face of it against him--or against Democrats generally. Particularly against any Democrats who speak up for him politically in the face of the evidence, and in the face of his silence before the evidence.

There is historically, as the history of John Wilkes illustrates, political justification or at least excuse for some corruption. Furthermore, as perhaps the black caucus is more aware than most, an individual has the right, after conviction to be re-elected if he persuades the voters of his district to re-elect him anyway. The case law on this point goes back to the John Wilkes discussed above, and the history of John Wilkes is discussed extensively in the United States Supreme Court case where the Court took on a similar case—that of Adam Clayton Powell, Jr.

Politically, however, the cost of Mr. Jefferson’s silence is already high, and rising. Politically, Democrats appear justified in asking for his resignation, particularly if they really are trying to set a higher standard for themselves than that current among Republicans. Mr. Jefferson remains correct that there is another side to the story. Mr. Jefferson is in a dilemma. What may be wisest legally may be what is worst politically, namely asserting that he has a side of the story worth telling while declining to tell it until after the prosecutor has made its case. Politically, I believe that it is fairly clear, that if Mr. Jefferson has a side of the story that is worth telling, then the time to tell it is now.

I believe that Mr. Jefferson has to make a choice, to follow his individual legal interest, or the political interest of himself, the black caucus, and Democrats generally. I for one very much want to hear Mr. Jefferson's story-—soon.

Respectfully, Mr. Jefferson, I hope that it is a very good story.
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