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priller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:30 AM
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So Cheney really is in charge (re Iran)
Very interesting article in the NY Times: For Bush, Talks With Iran Were a Last Resort

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/01/world/middleeast/01iran.html

The article goes on and on about Bush wants this and Bush decided that, like he really is "The Decider", then pops in this revealing paragraph:

"Cheney was dead set against it," said one former official who sat in many of those meetings. "At its heart, this was an argument about whether you could isolate the Iranians enough to force some kind of regime change." But three officials who were involved in the most recent iteration of that debate said Mr. Cheney and others stepped aside...


Why would he do that?

perhaps because they read Mr. Bush's body language


Ha ha ha! In other words, not because Bush insisted or told them anything, but they could somehow see the steely resolve in his demeanor? Oh please!

In the end, said one former official who has kept close tabs on the debate, "it came down to convincing Cheney and others that if we are going to confront Iran, we first have to check off the box" of trying talks.


Right. As long as they could *appear* to be doing something diplomatic, without being serious about it, then Cheney okay'd it. So they set preconditions to the talk that Iran will certainly reject; this way they can say they tried but the Iranians just wouldn't play ball.

Now *that* sounds like Cheney.

And it shows that nothing is done without Cheney's approval. It doesn't come down to Bush giving the OK, but Cheney.

And then Bush, good little sock puppet that he is, goes and says, "You're seeing robust diplomacy."
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Sadie5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:35 AM
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1. You're seeing robust diplomacy
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 10:36 AM by Demo5
* should watch using big words like robust and diplomacy. Was there ever any doubt that someone besides * was in charge? This accounts for his finding out about things from the newspapers, after Laura reads them to him. If they let him roam about he might say something they don't like.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:45 AM
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2. Perhaps they read Bush's body language...
he was laying on the floor kicking and screaming "I'm gonna tell my Poppy"....:eyes:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:48 AM
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3. and I have yet to hear on the news what this precondition is!

.Right. As long as they could *appear* to be doing something diplomatic, without being serious about it, then Cheney okay'd it. So they set preconditions to the talk that Iran will certainly reject; this way they can say they tried but the Iranians just wouldn't play ball.
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priller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:43 AM
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7. From the article:
Few of his aides expect that Iran's leaders will meet Mr. Bush's main condition: that Iran first re-suspend all of its nuclear activities, including shutting down every centrifuge that could add to its small stockpile of enriched uranium.


In other words, "Let's talk about stopping your nuclear program. But before we talk, we want you to stop your nuclear program."

The whole diplomatic effort is all for show.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:53 AM
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4. The talks are just an empty formality
I mean, the administration has signaled about as clearly as it can that the talks are nothing but window dressing on the path to another invasion. Going through the motions of negotiations is merely to "check off the box" before the bombers fly and the troops (where are they going to come from?) go in.

Of course, an intrepid reporter would ask that sort of question I suppose.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:55 AM
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5. I believe Cheney has been in charge since the day,
he "searched" the nation of aprox. 300 million for the best qualified candidate for vice-president, only to come back and pick him self. I believe it was most likely Cheney that picked Bush as running mate before Bush knew he would financed to the White House.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:21 AM
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6. I think so too.
I believe Cheney knew he could never get elected as president. He needed someone to hide behind. Bush was the perfect choice. A little weasel who had little except his Daddy's name to bank on, and a big war chest of campaign contributions. Best of all, he would be the perfect Hologram president because his brain was scraped clean from all the years of cocaine snorting and gallons of booze poured down his throat.

Plus, he would do his master's bidding.

The Perfect Candidate.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 02:23 PM
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8. I think Rummy has no small part in this little game as well...n/t
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Bad Penny Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 08:54 PM
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9. NT
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:12 PM
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11. Rummy picked Cheney.
Lockheed Martin picked Rummy.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 07:37 AM
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12. Bingo!
someone on DU a few months ago posted a picture from about 20-25 years ago(perhaps it was you?) of Rummy and a very young Chimpy Bush sitting together at a Repuke Convention. Rummy's been his handler all along.
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peacetheonlyway Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 07:45 AM
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14. let's not forget...
the Nixon era folks are all over this Admin...

even the new treasury guy Paulson, they all have ties to the Nixon whitehouse..

so my question remains.. what cabal of pentagon corporations, big corporations and secret societies control rummy...

who pulls their chain??? There is always a hierarchy folks...


is it the trilateral commission... who makes cheney and rummy dance a jig???
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 07:56 AM
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15. I wish I knew...
I've been trying to figure this one out for a while. If anybody out there has any insight, I wish they'd share it.
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peacetheonlyway Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 08:12 AM
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16. this man KNOWS alot... I highly recommend David Icke

I'm pretty fascinated wiht the facts he gathers on the PNAC
jokers, showing their participation in AEI and other orgs....
Icke has written the PNAC/GOP/Assholes in power encyclopedia..

I got to read some this weekend.. but his website is even better

www.davidicke.com

his whole point is that there are pyramids of power.. with the workers in one pyramid manipulated and completely told one thing when their actions are used for another cause... so for instance soldiers are at bottom layer told to give their lives for "liberty" when it's really corporate profits, oil and government hegemony at play...

his theory is that there are large corporations behind the leaders and individuals behind the corporations...
but I have not had enough time to read his book to see who he means..

he did have a graph showing

Media
Banking
Military Firms
Pharmaceutical

down one spine
and then the govt. organizations they manipulate down the other.. very insightful stuff...

Illuminati and a group he calls New World Order filter to the top of his list..


MY personal opinion is to follow the links from Carlyle (and where they lead globally) to find the bad guys
SAIC
Bearing Point
etc.

look at how much they control governments and telecomm networks and govt' contracts, etc. and you'll see that carlyle funds things personally when the US gov. has no budget and that's how they buy/peddle influence and power..

I saw Carlyle send a check for $500K to a friend for no good reason other than wanting to launch a PR campaign for the GOP to counter the anti-PR they got for Katrina...

amazing how these people think and work. true geniuses at PR manipulation..

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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 08:14 AM
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17. Thanks for the link...
I'll check it out, I've been fascinated by the power structure for a while.

Does he talk about Microsoft at all? I'd love to know what the true relationship between Bill Gates and the U.S. Government is.
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peacetheonlyway Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 07:42 AM
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13. who picked lockheed?
i 'm intrigued.. share on...
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 08:18 AM
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18. Who picked Lockheed for what?
For multi-billion dollar defense contracts? Rummy.

Who picked Lockheed to be the picker? 60 years of institutionalized warmongering and a nice fat lobbying budget.

Who picked Lockheed to be the #1 arms dealer in the world? After all, it was you and I.
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joe_shmoe Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:03 PM
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10.  **Please sign this petition against military actin against Iran**

It is with grave concern that I observe the growing threat of a new U.S. war--this time against the people of Iran.

For a collection of articles and resources on this subject you can visit this link: http://reseaudesign.com/research/iran/iran_summery.html

I'm starting up a petition which I will be sending out to as many members of Congress as possible. I'm asking for help to get this signed by as many people, possible in the next month. Send it to as many people you can.

http://www.petitiononline.com/n0war1rn /
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