Unity Candidate? Unify **this**, assholes.

I'm watching MSNBC's "The Most". They're talking about some dumbass scheme to run a ticket in 08 with a Dem and a Repub as Prez/Veep. The names mentioned were Sens Clinton and McCain.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAT??????????

What the hell would this accomplish? A place for party pariahs to hide? A place for people who piss off their repsective bases to redeem themselves? An attempt to split the vote?

Who thunk this shit up??????

they could possible still have their fingers in the pie.

It's more likely to end up a McCain/Lieberman type of ticket. Republican as Pres and Republican Lite Veep.

Some wise guy thinks they can unify the two parties. Never going to happen after 6 years of Bush, and 12 years of a gingrich/delay congress.


DUMB DUMB DUMB!!!!

What if they do it?

What if Hillary and McCain decide that they have a better than one third chance of appealing to "moderates" from both parties? Even if they're unsuccessful or as misguided as we believe they are, they WILL end up taking away votes from us and we don't have a strategy for that.

What IS our strategy for dealing with an honest-to-goodness third party?

I think we have to distinguish ourselves - but that will be hard unless we claim to be the moderates (whatever the truth) and make them look like the fringe, because that will certainly be their strategy if we let them get to it first.

I just heard about this crap a few minutes ago.

Your questions are certainly valid.

That said, I have no idea who they'd hurt more ... us or the Repubs. Seems to me it would hurt the repubs more than us because their part of the ticket woujld be seen as antibush but still tolerable to their base. Our part of the ticket *at this point in time* would be seen by our base as a traitor.

But in the end, this appears more as someone's wet dream than any serious movement.

Bipartisanism should be a no-go at this point, for this Party. Bad enough we got Democrats who vote WITH the Republicans all the time... but now there are supposedly Republicans Democrats should HAVE to vote for -- for UNITY?

KISS MY SWEET WHATSIS! No effing way!!! --- EVER.

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... I won't bother voting. It would be nothing more than a joke to formalize what we already know about the Washington culture, i.e. it exists for itself and for big business and the people of America can pack sand.

We'd still have a real Dem to vote for.

Which is what I heard. It woujld not be a party of any sort. Each member of the ticket would still be members of their respective parties.

At least that's how I understood this idiot's plan would work.

And to which this clown would reply ...... "unify *this*".

The GOP does NOT deserve to be in power after their brutal gang raping of America.

Ditto for me. I couldn't agree more!

TC

Indeed ... that's *exactly* what the last 5 years have been.

...that drive the Unity ticket.

...the Unity ticket is designed to appeal to people that are fed up with partisan politics and the tendency of both sides to view the other as the anti-Christ.

Do you think the the Dems have been PARTISAN? If anything they've been TOO bi-partisan! Too accomodating. Too collusionary. They've all but given up, rolled over and played dead! And what the EFF have we gotten out of it? Nothing but a thorough rojering up the wahzoo every chance the other side gets to slam one home.

I'm *UP TO HERE* with bipartidanism. It is a DEAD ISSUE with me. F*ck the Republicans -- and I mean EVERY ELECTED REPUBLICAN EVERYWHERE. There are no GOOD Republicans. NONE... zip, zilch, NADA! F*ck them all to hell along with the horses they rode in on! And, while I'm at it -- F*ck every collusinary/delusionary DINO who has voted with them. They are no better than the Republicans who have their boot heel to the back of my neck! F*ck every single cynical do-anything-for-re-election-and-I-mean-anything Democratic elected who has rolled over and played dead for them.

BI-PARTISAN??????????? BITE ME!

What we need is not a BI-PARTISAN ticket to heal America. We need a ticket of REAL, HONEST-TO-GOODNESS DEMOCRATS -- ones with BALLS, GUTS, and a truly LIBERAL SLATE OF ISSUES to bring this country back from the ruin it is in now. DEMOCRATS WITH MINDS. DEMOCRATS WITH HEARTS. DEMOCRATS WITH SOULS.... And the MOUTHS to say what needs to be said, and the COURAGE to say it no matter what. I'd rather die standing and swinging back than live anothe minute on my knees -- and I love my country so much, that's what I want for it, too!

BI-PARTISAN *THIS*!

This whole idea and the people behind it can just go to hell.

TC

Ignore the senate. Watching the senate makes me ill. There are actually real democrats in the house.

But, the House is also the place where the "sausage" is made... and the worst can be found there, too.

I'm not *ignoring* anything anymore... America is dying! We need to stand up and DEMAND more from the Democrats we have elected. I want more from my representation than great fundraising and a guaranteed re-election -- *no matter what it takes*.

This has got to stop!

TC

but its like they are fixated in some kind of idol worship. Makes me want to scream. :)

I've moved beyond wanting to scream a LONG time ago, and now just sort of scream all the time... sometimes without even making a sound.

TC

Yupp ... works every time. Think its called ALCHOHOL, might be going time to try some of the cure a bit later! lol

It's obvious that YOU don't want anything to do with the Unity ticket. However, from the reports I hear on the response to the news reports on the Unity ticket idea, there is a huge number of people that completely disagree with you. The only question then is this: are they're numbers sufficient enough to have an impact in the political arena.

BTW, telling people that want Bipartisanship to "go to hell" merely re-enforces their existing opinion of you.

I usually say, do, and feel what rings true and right within myself, so I am often alone in my opinions. Anyone who thinks there is any value, validity, equanimity, or usefuness in Bi-partisanship at this point has not been paying attention. That is ONLY my opinion, and as I said, I am comfortable enough within myself that I don't give a donkey's whatsit who agrees or not.

TC

... that should such a ticket be elected that it would mean an end to partisan politics, I have some bearer bonds I just printed I'd like to sell you.

Whoever would be president would have all the power, the VP post is worth a "bucket of warm spit" as LBJ famously said.

This is a fallback position for a party that knows it is losing its power, nothing less.

Not as vitriolic as my response, and very classy. I can't seem to manage that these days when it comes to this subject, the DLC, or ball-less wonder Democrats.

Kudos!

TC

Ran on a unity ticket in 1864...Andrew Johnson was a pro-war Democrat.

We both think that if Clinton faced off against McCain in 2008, we'd both stay home.

I wonder if they'd have that effect on everyone.

This is the dubest idea I've seen in a long time

It sounds like a scheme concocted by a bunch of good ole boys, high after a night doing shots from the same Tequila bottle, who want an easy "in" back to power in Washington, but can't seem to be able to get Jose Quervo to tell them where to go... ¡Un manojo estúpido de hombres con delusions del grandeur, si me preguntas!

TC

I marvel when I hear anyone spew such drivel. Ugh!

the "bi-partisan"ers and the DINOs with the Republicans in a way PEACE just cannot? Because PEACE TAKES COURAGE. And, the diplomacy that it takes to make peace takes intelligence. We're screwed.

TC

that the profit motive weighs in heavily as well. look at the "booming" economy out there. If we stopped making tanks and missles tommorow then what?

feature about this the other night on the "Newshour with Jim Lehrer." The premise behind it is that conventional two-party politics has broken down, leaving the government paralyzed and incapable of dealing with the "real issues" that most Americans (read Nixon's 'silent majority') consider important.

If anything, the collaborationist stance of the Democratic Party has made me more likely to vote Socialist next time around and certainly if one of the war mongers or apologists gets the Democratic nomination.

Two middle-aged white guys (can't remember who they were, altho the Dem was a familiar name). They said the internet would be the organizing and nominating tool and that their Unity ticket only needed about 38-39% to win.

PBS reporter (can't remember who it was) made the point that many low-income people lack access to the internet and the two guests pooh-poohed it.

Personally, myself, I think the Democratic Party would be well served if it were to start purging people like Lieberman and Harman (who said she was the "best Republican the Democrats have"). But that's a long-term strategy aimed at re-assembling the FDR working-class coalition of the 30s-60s (this time with a heavy tilt towards immigrants' rights).

You are hereby awarded the Totally Committed Gold Balls with Oakleaf cluster Award for it!

TC

Just a little "accident". Oh well, only conspiracytheorists believe she was whacked to make room for Jeb, Guliani, McCain, whoever.

But that wouldn't be necessary. The Busheviks have tried and true methods of vote-fraud which are absolutely safe from being investigated, let alone prosecuted.

The 2006 and 2008 "elections" are already over. Sorry, just callin' it like I see it.

and push the Democrat out of the plane on-camera. It would excite the Republican base, and provide an hour of entertainment you wouldn't ordinarily see outside pay-per-view.

Oh, and if by any chance the Democrat were to survive, Cheney would be on the ground to shoot him in the face in a sort of "sudden-death over-time".

No charges, of course, would be brought against any of the Republicans involved, either. For a little extra-added effect, they'd probably have one or two Democrats apologizing to the Republicans in front of cameras the next day on the steps of the Capitol for getting in their way in the first place... just good Reality TV for all!

:sarcasm:

TC