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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 03:16 AM
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Journey to the heart of Bushlandia
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1789613,00.html

Idaho, to borrow a term gaining popularity on leftwing blogs, is part of "Bushlandia": the three remaining states, clustered in the mountainous west, where the president still enjoys approval ratings of 50% or more. According to the latest polls, Idaho tops the league at 52%, with neighbours Utah and Wyoming on 51% and 50%, making Mr Risch the de facto leader of this nation-within-a-nation. "President Bush is one of our greatest presidents, and he's one of our bravest presidents," the governor said. "People know what's in his heart."

To liberals on both coasts, Idaho is redneck country, famous only for its potato industry and its white supremacists (the now-defunct Aryan Nations group was based in the isolated north of the state until 2001). "Sexual relations with livestock are still commonplace," a columnist for the Nation magazine claimed recently. Idahoans would prefer to focus on their spirit of rugged independence, but the redneck label is fine with them, too. "Many people would say if it stops people coming here and ruining our tranquillity, they're welcome to go on thinking like that," said Bryan Fischer, a former pastor who now runs the staunchly rightwing Idaho Values Alliance.

Up to 35% of Idahoans identify themselves as affiliated to neither political party, and the state has elected Democratic officials before. But it has not supported a Democratic candidate for president since Lyndon Johnson. "It wasn't so long ago," a car-rental employee said, half-jokingly, "that if you voted Democrat round here, you'd get shot."

The divide between Bushlandia and the rest of America - or, more generally, between the president's core supporters and everyone else - is not a question of mere policy arguments. It is a clash of two incompatible versions of reality, where the same facts take on completely different meanings. For Idaho Republicans, escalating violence in Iraq illustrates precisely the scale of the challenge there, and the consequent need to stay loyal. Mr Bush's errors, meanwhile, are not an argument for his removal so much as a sign of his human fallibility. "You go into something like Iraq, nobody can know how it's going to turn," Governor Risch said. "People say Saddam was terrible because he tortured his people, now Bush is awful because he invaded. Well, which do you want?"
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 03:27 AM
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1. I don't like the broad brush when it is applied to my state
And I don't like any more when it is applied to states thousands of miles from me.

There are smart enlightened people in every state.

To bash states is counter-productive in my opinion. We want to win over voters in all of them, don't we?
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 03:30 AM
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2. The article does discuss this
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1789613,00.html

Being a Democrat in this setting can be a lonely existence. "We do still find ourselves whispering in the supermarket about it," said Maria Weeg, executive director of the Idaho Democratic party. "There's such an overwhelming psychological thing. No one wants to be part of 'the other', and the Republicans have done a pretty good job of making Democrats here into the enemy."

But she declines to mock her opponents. "These are people who have deep, core values and it behoves us to try to understand those values," Ms Weeg said. "Bush has this rugged, everyday average guy sort of persona that speaks to Idahoans, and there's a strong feeling that we've just got to stick by our president because he's our president.

At a national level, Democrats disagree over what to do about places such as Idaho. Some would give them up as a lost cause, targetting resources on marginal states instead. Unsurprisingly, Ms Weeg supports the alternative "50-state strategy", championed by the party chairman Howard Dean. The Republicans, this theory holds, won Idaho as part of a long-term, bottom-up, nationwide strategy to change the focus of politics from economics to morality. Only a similarly broad Democratic initiative has any hope of turning things around.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 03:39 AM
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4. thanks for that!
I guess I should read articles before I comment on them. But I just don't have the time in the middle of the night. :)

Pardon me for my tinfoil ideas, but my state Alabama became solidly Republican right around the same time that we went to electronic voting.

I know Reagan's popularity had a lot to do with it, but I can't dismiss the machines. It just seems too much of a coincedence. Yeah, Alabama is a conservative state, sadly. But the pole reversal in state partisan politics happened at the same time that electronic voting was introduced. Fact.

I would be interested in seeing the data from other southern and western states.

Thanks for the article.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 03:33 AM
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3. Hm. Interesting.
These people need to get with the majority and be like everyone else.

They need to realize that the overwhelming majority of Americans oppose them. Therefore, they are wrong.
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formactv Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 04:13 AM
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5. You are being ironic I hope.
Your reasoning is insipid.
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 12:14 PM
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12. Well, that's exactly the same reasoning
you see all the time on freeper sites. Freeper's don't have any business being that cocky and neither do we.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 07:53 AM
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6. they betray their own kids' future by cheering on their worst enemy?
bush hates and fears the 'rightwing' american, the staunch republican't who skips over the facts to worship the fantastic notions that were never true to begin with ...bush invaded iraq precisely to enlist these dupes to his cause instead of having them hearing about the 2k election and the irrefutable questions about 911 which might have made the nightly news had not bush invaded iraq. Bush knows that as long as this rightwing bloodclot minority support him, the pigmedia can pump up the volume and prevent the true american majority from taking over (and punishing the lying thieves etc)...the problem with this stategy is that it is a 'ponzi' scheme with each outrage silencing the earlier one-and one day bush is gonna get caught performing fellatio on a little kid, or something. when the wheels come off the con, it's gonna be breathtaking
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smomfr Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 08:19 AM
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7. I hear Levi 501 button fly ..........
jeans are popular out there ´cause the sound of a zipper going down tends to stampede the livestock.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 10:41 AM
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8. "wasn't long ago that if you voted Democrat round here, you'd get shot."
What a fine American attitude :sarcasm:
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ktlyon Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 10:55 AM
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9. Well Governor
"People say Saddam was terrible because he tortured his people, now Bush is awful because he invaded. Well, which do you want?"

What I want is for murder and torture NOT to be done in my name.
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:41 PM
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10. Oklahoma is also Bushlandia
These folks are a trip.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 03:30 PM
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11. Thank you sir, may I have another one
For those of you who were nauseated with the "reasoning" of the hicks in that article, here's another on the same topic, this one from the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/04/washington/04believers.html?ei=5094&en=fef6401af47a9777&hp=&ex=1149393600&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print

As President's Poll Numbers Fall, Many in Utah Stand by the Man
By TIMOTHY EGAN

PROVO, Utah — Here in what may be the reddest city in the reddest of states, where Democrats sometimes gather like lost souls at the one Starbucks, most people are standing by President Bush.

When he gives a speech that angers voters or brings ridicule from other parts of the country, people here pick up different messages. They might break with Mr. Bush on the war in Iraq or on illegal immigration, but not with the man himself.

"When I watch him, I see a man with his heart in the right place," said Delia Randall, a 22-year-old mother from Provo, the hub of a county that gave Senator John Kerry just 11 percent of the presidential vote in 2004. "I like George Bush because he is God fearing, and that's how a lot of people in this area feel."

These voters are among the committed Bush supporters who are standing proudly by him as he tries to reverse the poll numbers that are sliding even in Utah, hang on to Republican control of Congress, revive his agenda and stabilize Iraq.




Cher
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