Let's "SwiftBoat" Hillary Clinton

Perhaps the reason the SwiftBoaters were so successful against Kerry was that no one was apparently prepared for the attack. So let's think hard about the attacks the wingnuts will use, and let's be prepared.

What will be the Right's sucker punch? And what will we counter with?

that there is no counter. The way you defend against this type of attack is to go on the offensive first.

because, frankly, I don't mind if they ruin her presidential run. The last thing we need is another DLC'er running for president.

I'd like at least a shot at winning this time. I'm funny that way.

Kerry and Gore both got more votes then Bush. And they also got more votes then whatever leftwinger you were for in the primaries. So my advice is to let the best man or woman win.

Oh never mind, we will be stuck with loonies like this who hate anyone to to the right of Che Guevera.

You can just vote for Ralph Nader and give us eight more years of war and hell.

And even though you added nothing to an already nothing post. I am not a fan or Hillary. But if she is running against McCain or some other Republican Puppet, hell yeah I'd work my ass off for it.

Meanwhile the MyCritters of the Dem Party will stay home and whine. Boo Hoo, she is the same as McCain.

If you are enjoying this current Bush economic miracle then I'm sure you will enjoy this article which describes how data has been being fudged for decades. Doesn't paint a particularly bright picture of the Clinton era either ...
"Things you've always thought but were afraid to ask"

http://www.gillespieresearch.com/cgi-bin/bgn/article/id=344

Now you get to ask yourself ... would you settle for just winning or would you rather actually see things get better?

welfare reform my ass!

A DLC'er is a DLC'er.

who was himself the victim of a bit of swift-boating by "real" Dems like yourself. So, your guy got nominated, ran a shitty campaign, and lost. Congrats.

But you're right, the Dems probably can win with the financial support of Rupert Murdoch. And Hillary has that!

why people considered Dean so left wing? He seemed like a classic moderate to me. The Left in Vermont didn't even like him much...not Bashing him here, I liked him too. Just sayin..

but he's not DLC. And the corporate types in the DLC decide who's where on the spectrum. Then they tell the media, and then the campaigns of real Dems die.

Again, Hillary and Rupert Murdoch are friends. 'Nuff said.

in the nation by his fellow governors and his relationship with the IBM corporation is not pretty. And his support for gay rights is an illusion. His legilature supported gay rights. He did not. He was a wealthy stockbroker before he went into medicine.Don't even start with what a "real" Dem is . I actually like Dean but he is no more "real" than anyone else. You wouldn't like his supporters either. He has many corporate schills. He is not any better than Hillary.

I know his supporters. And as for his support for gay rights, he's not only supported them politically, but in his religious denomination as well (which is also mine). And, if he's such a corporate shill, what was it about him that the DLC hated?

Any Dem the DLC hates like they do him has to be okay.

aren't the "supporters' I am talking about. I am talking about the "big' donors and others with the large contributions especially to his gubernatorial races! But you probably don't know anything about those people. Whatever. And I don't care for the DLC either, and for the record Howard used to be a member! And Al Gore was one of the founders! I am just saying none of these people are perfect and none will fit into whatever uber liberal mold you create for them.I am merely using Dean as an example.

You decided to read that into my posts, apparently. I won't support Hillary in the primaries, becaues of her (on-going)support for the war, her ties to the DLC, her support from the right-wing, etc. I'm not looking for an uber liberal. Just someone not getting campaign contributions from Fox Broadcasting. Is that really too much to ask?

Dean is a sterling example of how far America has moved to the looney right. Now that I think of it, Hillary started as a Republican as well.

in my opinion. I liked him but he wasn't especially left.

Or especially strong either. More than any of the other candidates he seemed to be the one who would sell out to expediency and cave to confrontation. Weak.

Hillary is strong, and progressive.

That's a wee bit over the heads of most voters. "I don't like Hillary Clinton because of her connection to the Democratic Leadership Council" isn't sound-biteable like "Dukakis in a Dress" is.

for even suggesting we do something like that to ANYONE, let alone a Dem!

I don't like the DLC either, but they're all better than the worst Pub!!!

.."swiftboat-proof" her. In other words, anticipate what dirt the Repugs will throw and be prepared to counter it.

I guess I just couldn't get past the opening line!!!!

Because that's exactly what Swiftboating does, it makes the first line the story, not the dtails, not the follow up, not the corrections... That's why a "swift" prepared response is so important!

My suggestion is to head off the certain SwiftBoating of Sen. Clinton (in her run for POTUS) by anticipating what the Right will attack with.

And for the supporters of other potential candidates, you should start thinking like your Republican opposition. Your candidate will be attacked. Whether you are prepared -or not- is up to you. Perhaps you should consider brain-storming now, before the shit hits the fan.

I think Democrats are better than that.

They were brilliant - what they did cost Kerry dearly - he never recovered from the Swifties and the 'Flip-Flop' attacks.

They set his agenda. He ran a crappy campaign. It would have been better had he not been the nominee, but he was electable!!! :eyes:

That's behavior and tactics of people that have no integrity. Why would we want to emulate them by mimicking their bad behavior?

Hey, I've got an idea. Let's work our assess off for our candidate of choice in the primary and then let the Democratic voters decide.

I'm rooting for Al Gore.

"Why would we want to emulate them by mimicking their bad behavior?"

You missed the "boat" AK - they WILL Swiftboat any/all of our choices. Let's anticipate what they will attack, and prepare.

But I'll bet a horde of Democrats won't sign false affidavits swearing the Republican candidate had sex with a goat.

A vigorous campaign can be fought without stooping to the depths the Republicans do. That's my point.

And if Hillary ends up being the nominee (hey, shit happens), do you really want to have assisted the Republicans in their campaign to annihilate her at any cost? I say we leave trashing Democrats to the Republicans and concentrate on winning.

Bill Clinton went toe-to-toe with the fuckers successfully. That's the example we should emulate. He had a 70% approval rating on the day of his impeachment by the House. And it just killed them.

"I say we leave trashing Democrats to the Republicans and concentrate on winning."

Have you read any deeper than the subject line? The object is NOT to "trash" anyone, it's to explore what attacks will happen and prepare defenses against them.

I did read the piece and understand what you meant, and I do agree with that. Sometimes it is a good idea to be more precise in your wording. By using "swiftboat" as a verb, your title conveys something entirely different than the OP; I was responding to the title.

I should have explained that in my first post. Sorry.

Bill Clinton had a War Room prepared to neutralize such nonsense.

So the candidate/nominee WON'T be Swiftboated. Why swiftboat a fellow Dem? Doesn't that get tiring around here? Nope.


Stop aiding Doughboy and giving them fools credit.

"Why swiftboat a fellow Dem? Doesn't that get tiring around here?"

OK, try to follow the logic. Our candidate WILL BE "SWIFTBOATED". We SHOULD be prepared. If it is Hillary, you think the Repugnants won't bring up Vince Foster, Whitewater, Travelgate, et al?

Apparently few DUers read beyond the subject line before banging out "responses".

Let's hope it's not Hillary

I KNOW they will Swiftboat Hillary or ANY dem that is the candidate/nominee. However, I don't agree with you giving the Swift Boat lying fools credit for tearing down a man that did serve compared to an AWOL chickenhawk criminal that didn't serve, but the media pimps him as a "hero."

"I don't agree with you giving the Swift Boat lying fools credit for tearing down a man that did serve "

Stand fast, O ye politicasista,
Don't let facts sway you from your misconceptions!
'Twas not the Swifties that slew your mista,
'Twere the failure of his fellow's gumptions.

Keep your guard up, sista.

And I have the documents to prove it!

I dont' know one run of the mill Democrat who wants her to run. Not one single person.

But here's who does what her to run:

1. Republicans
2. People that worked for her husband and expect appointments in her administration
3. Her consultants
4. The DLC
5. Wall Street Democrats

It's time we've nominate the people's candidate. Not the elite's candidate.

Dean is the model for 2008.