Whatever happened to the enviornment as a conservative issue?

inthebrain

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Sat Jun-17-06 02:04 PM
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Whatever happened to the enviornment as a conservative issue?

Wasn't it conservative not so long ago thqat used to clamor for enviornmental protections? I say it's about time we remind conservatives of where they stand on this issue.

We should all question their claims to conservativism with a resounding, "YOU'RE NO CONSERVATIVE!!!!!"

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Radical Activist

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Sat Jun-17-06 02:12 PM
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1. It was never a conservative issue.

Conservatives stand with corporate polluters who don't want "big government" stopping their right to enrich themselves by harming the public and poisoning the earth, and they want the taxpayer to clean up their mess. Its a liberal wedge issue and we should claim it as such.

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Robbien

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Sat Jun-17-06 02:19 PM
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2. Yes, and its another issue stupidly left off Pelosi's list

Pelosi's list is so limited, it is unbelievable the Dem leadership believes they will pull in voters with it.

There are so many issues out there people feel passionate about which Pelosi has carefully not put on the list so as to not "rock the boat".

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Radical Activist

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Sat Jun-17-06 02:23 PM
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3. True.

Its bland enough to not excite or offend anyone.

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inthebrain

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Sat Jun-17-06 02:24 PM
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4. Today they stand with corporate polluters

Nature and the environment
In early liberal philosophy 'Nature' and the environment were treated as a resource to be exploited: value derived from their human use, in accordance with the labor theory of value. Most early conservatives, however, saw the value of Nature as inherent. Both strands have influenced conservative politics in many countries, since the 19th century. The etymology emphasises the close correlation between the early conservation movement and conservative ideals. In recent decades, deep ecology has emerged as parallel, non-anthropocentric conservative philosophy, with remarkable similarities in value preferences.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative

It wasnt so way back when.

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Radical Activist

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Sat Jun-17-06 02:29 PM
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5. Even in the 19th century

Edited on Sat Jun-17-06 02:32 PM by Radical Activist

conservative political forces were dominated by industrialists who saw nature as something to exploit. The conservative idea of Manifest Destiny is in ideological harmony with the compulsion to dominate nature. I don't see how that is equated with liberalism and I'd be interested in hearing what conservative voices were advocating nature as something with inherent value. Thoreau, Stephen Mather and John Muir were not conservatives. I don't see any evidence or quotes to back up that statement in the wikipedia article. It sounds revisionist.

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Tom Rinaldo

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Sat Jun-17-06 05:10 PM
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7. It was and is very important to Pete McCloskey

But then you could say that he never was a very Conservative Republican.

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AlinPA

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Sat Jun-17-06 04:52 PM
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6. What? As far back as I can remember the dirty bastards never cared

about the environment. Never.

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inthebrain

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Sun Jun-18-06 12:12 AM
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9. The Enviornmental Protection Agency

was started by Nixon.

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Ivan Sputnik

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Sat Jun-17-06 06:29 PM
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8. There used to be a certain type of conservative

who was interested in "conservation" of wildlife, wilderness, etc. I don't know what happened to those people; I can't imagine they're too happy with today's Republican party. They probably just don't vote anymore.

The right to privacy ("my home is my castle") and "states' rights" used to be "conservative" issues, too. Those went out the window as soon as the Republicans took over the entire federal government.

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