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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 02:45 PM
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Fight on!
Edited on Wed Feb-04-04 02:57 PM by Padraig18
If my count is correct after last night's results, Sen. Kerry has just 1/9th of the delegates neccessary to secure the nomination--- ONE-NINTH! 248 delegates out of 2161 needed is not a commanding, insurmountable lead, and no one should give up now; it's far too early to throw in the towel, because 41 states, the District of Columbia and the territories have not yet had their say in this matter, and they're entitled to have that say.

Send you own candidate more money, if you're not maxed out, or send some to another candidate to help keep them in the race, but don't 'jump on the band wagon' whatever you do, because it is not nearly time to do that yet.

Thank you. :)

Edit: Arithmetic mistake.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 02:48 PM
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1. Excellent point!
And thank you for posting it.

:D
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 02:49 PM
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2. YW!
:hi:
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NerdzRuleDaWorld Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 02:53 PM
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3. True, but...
There is no reason to believe that the previous states are anomolies. It is reasonable to believe that if Kerry can win in Iowa, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Montana, and all the other states he has won, then he can win in other states as well. Trust me, I think that Edwards would be a better candidate to fight Bush because of his charisma and appeal to the general population, but it looks like it will PROBABLY be Kerry.
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 02:54 PM
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4. Re: Bandwagon

Not only won't I jump on it, I don't even want directions to its location yet!

(this shortened primary sucks, BTW)
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MAlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 02:55 PM
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5. 248/2161=11.476%
Point still taken, but hey, math is fun!
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 02:57 PM
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7. My bad.
LOL! 1/9th is what I meant to say. *blush*
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 02:56 PM
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6. with you
Padraig
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 03:02 PM
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8. I'm still hearing a different drummer
I'm not ready to join the big parade.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 03:12 PM
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9. Absolutely! There's a long way to go yet. Fortunes rise and fall quickly
...as we've seen ;)

We're still in this and I think there is a certain degree of solidarity between the "outsiders" (I know that if Dean would withdraw, I'd throw my support behind Clark, Kucinich or Sharpton before Kerry or Edwards).

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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 03:18 PM
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10. I'm with Dean all the way!!!!
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markus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 03:32 PM
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11. And if we fail, what then? A suggested answer
The logical next step is to make our party an uncomfortable place for DINOs. This will happen when we have enough reprentation in the party machinery to recruit, nominate and elect candidates into government who don't share the GOP appeasement is the best path world view.

Let a 1,000 Wellstones and Kucinichs and Deans bloom!

For now, however, we should all certainly accept a Kerry nomination and work to see him elected. In the meantime, we all need to work on supplanting the post-DLC leadership of the party with people who measure their success by winning elections and serving average people and not just by how many $2,000 checks they can collect.

It will need to start with the bottom up. Nobody is talking about taking Daschle, et al and standing them up against a wall. Instead, we need to elect state legislators and county and city officials who stand for living wages, universal health care, and limits on the power of government to wage war for profit.

Wise politicians in higher office will follow our lead, if we can succeed, rather than face a primary challenge from a successul progressive beneath them.

The unwise will purge themselves.

The problem with the Dean (whom I support) and Kucinich and Clark "idea" is that there is a magic bullet who can, by elevation to the presidency, reform a system which is problematic at best and corrupt at worst. It cannot. I would make it easier to start with the President in our camp, but that is not a necessary prerequisite for what needs to be done.

I for one hope to rally enough Dean and Kucinich (and possibly some Clark and even Kerry) supporters into a seperate Progressive Democratic Caucus in my state, as a place to begin.

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EvilJam Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 03:44 PM
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18. amen! i agree!
i think it's WAY too late for Dean to catch up!
but, it's NOT too late to gather what's left of the tried-and-true Supporters of the Dean and Kucinich campaigns - as well as the Wellstone supporters - and form a "Neo Progressives" Party (or some such)!
as much as i HATE that "Meetup" thingy, it just might at least be a "model" to use as "our" own website to Gather the Troops!
i think it would be a crime to throw away what's been born out of the Dean and Kucinich campaigns! there's no reason to throw it away. Gather the Troops while they're still around to gather! before we return to our humdrum lives. we might as well start now! - evil
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 03:33 PM
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12. Kick
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 03:35 PM
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13. oh please
For Kerry to lose he'd have to drop off the map and not collect ANY delegates for over a month.

You know, basically what Dean's doing.

Kerry is picking up steam and it's only a matter of time before this is a two-horse race. And once it gets to that point, anything can happen, but I wouldn't bet against the guy with the early lead.

Especially since Kerry is not mistake-prone.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 03:37 PM
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15. We'll see.
I have a feeling the 'special-interest/Johnny Chung' matter will be prominently on display at the next debate.

Sic transit gloria mundi.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 03:41 PM
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16. you'd have an excellent point...
if...

People really cared about special interests.

If you've noticed, the only scandals that stick to Democrats are things that have nothing to do with policy.

Sex. Fashion. Screaming.

All trivial stuff. But stuff that sticks in people's minds.

Johnny Chung isn't going to bring Kerry down. Unless of course there's a typo in a story somewhere and it comes out 'Connie Chung' at which case Kerry will probably issue a press release saying he's never had an affair with Connie Chung.

:)
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 03:42 PM
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17. Hehe!
I wonder what Maury would say? :P
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 04:19 PM
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19. Or maybe get the media scrutiny-and-savaging Dean got?
Not to mention the dirty politics and dirty tricks that went on behind the scenes and under the radar?
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Anwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 03:37 PM
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14. No worries!
This Dean supporter will NOT be jumping on any bandwagons! This race has only just begun, and we've got to fight like hell to get that message across! :)
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 04:40 PM
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20. Bandwagon? What bandwagon? No bandwagon comin' by MY house!
:-)
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 04:42 PM
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21. math is not the strongest subject for the media
But we know what the count really is.
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