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bushmeister0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:27 PM
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At least, John Kerry has a plan, let's support him! Let's get out of Iraq
Today on every front page of every major newspaper in the US are the pictures of Pfc. Thomas L. Tucker and Pfc. Kristian Menaca, whose bodies were found in Yasafiya, Iraq, near where they were kidnapped by al-Qaeda militants last Friday. The positive spin W. got out of his little sight seeing tour to the Green Zone in Baghdad and the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi didn't last long, did it?

Once again, the disconnect between the happy talk coming out of the White House and the pentagon and the horrible reality of the situation over there, which continually goes from one horrific atrocity to another even more horrific atrocity, has been brought into stark relief by this depressing incident.

The circumstances of the two soldiers deaths has yet to have been officially announced, but according to the Iraqi chief of operations at the Defense Ministry, Maj. General Abdul Azziz Mohammed Jassim, they were "killed in a very brutal torture" The US military spokesman, Maj. General William B. Caldwell, said the bodies were being sent back to the US for DNA testing because, he said, "we couldn't identify them."

A group calling itself the Mujahedeen Shura, which claims al-Qaeda as a member, said they had cut the throats of the soldiers, but there is some doubt as to the authenticity of the claim according to the NYT. As in most cases like this in Iraq, there's no telling who's really who. The US claims that al-Qaeda in Iraq has got a new leader, Abu Hamza al-Muhajir, but some experts say he may not even really exist.

So who knows what's actually going on; but whoever did this, they showed a whole lot of military expertise and coordination in luring away the other soldiers in the Tucker's and Menaca's unit to leave them isolated enough to capture them and kill a third soldier, Specialist David J. Babineau in the process. Even after the military found the bodies Maj. General Caldwell told the press that it took US forces hours to get through a series of bloody traps and IEDs before they could retrieve the bodies. Doesn't sound like a group of "deadenders" demoralized by the killing of their leader to me.

One can not imagine what the families and friends of Pfc. Tucker and Pfc. Menaca must be feeling right now and my heart goes out to them. I also feel terribly sorry for the all the families of the more than 2,500 soldiers who have died so far in Iraq and the approximately 19,000 who have come home, some with their bodies broken and their minds damaged. There can be no words to adequately describe the suffering all these families are going through now and the pain which will always be with them for as long as they live. This entire mess is so tragic and was so unavoidable.

Although these barbaric and despicable murders are particularly hard to take, we must keep in mind that for the past three years, tens of thousands of Iraqi families have been suffering from similar horrible acts committed against their loved ones by these same deranged lunatics and butchers. Since January of this year alone, over 6000 Iraqis have died after being kidnapped, tortured and executed. This number does not include all those blown to pieces by the numerous car bombings in and around Baghdad, which occur on a daily basis.

We have to put an end to this cycle of violence. Today the Senate is debating a resolution proposed by John Kerry which calls for pulling US troops out of Iraq in a year, and I say it's not a moment too soon. Democrats need to stop being so skittish, grow a backbone and support Kerry's resolution. What are they so afraid of; Karl Rove repeating "cut and runÓ until his face turns blue? Pretty terrifying! Our fighting people over in Iraq are putting their lives on the line so a bunch of religious nuts can settle old scores from the 5th century. This is essentially the policy the GOP is supporting, isn't there anyone bright enough within the Democratic Party to articulate this fact to the American people?

It's excruciatingly apparent that Bush & CO. have pretty conclusively demonstrated that have absolutely no ability to extricate us out of the mess that they have so cavalierly got us into. 'Stay the course,' isn't a strategy, it's a slogan. John Kerry has a plan but apparently what his fellow Democrats want is a better slogan.

Let's stop crying crocodile tears for the poor Iraqi politicians and get down to brass tacks. The only people in Iraq who want an open-ended commitment by us to 'stay the course' are the ones who have thrown in with the invaders. Didn't you see the terrified look on Al-Maliki's face when he was sitting next to W., the man most Iraqis blame for the predicament they're in today. But, fear not, he and his Shiite co-religionists have huge militias armed with our weapons and know-how to protect them, I'm sure they'll be alright.

Here in the US, the only ones who want to keep sending our young people into the Iraqi meat-grinder over and over again are the Republicans in Congress who want to retain their cozy perks and prerogatives at tax payer expense. Does anyone seriously believe that Bill Frist or Dennis Hasstert gives a damn about fighting for democracy in Iraq? Hell, they won't even fight for it here. As each new revelation has come out about the president's full-bore assault on our cherished freedoms, the GOP has defended him more and more.

So, who are they trying to fool? This is all about getting re-elected and it's all a show. Meanwhile, the families of Kristian Menaca and Thomas Tucker have a life-time of grieving ahead of them.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:30 PM
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1. Wow.... bushmeister, your fingers must be smokin..... I can feel the heat.
You sound like a pissed off veteran. Am I right?
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:43 AM
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21. :-)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:30 PM
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2. Nom! Great post, bushmeister0, and welcome to DU!
:toast:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:33 PM
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3. No, no. no!
We must follow Lieberman's advice and "stay the course" and "accept that Bush is Commander-in-Chief" and all the other bullshit the gnome from Connecticut has been spewing for years.

:puke:
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:38 PM
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4. And Chuck and Hillary
In for a penny, in for a pound. Until Americans are willing to admit defeat, we will remain in Iraq. Since Americans are not ready to admit defeat, we must remain in Iraq. Too bad so many Democrats supported this military intervention. It was a mistake then, and now.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:53 PM
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5. I think Americans are willing to admit this is a war that we can't win.
It's a civil war, and we can't "win" it anymore than we could win Vietnam.

We just need more leaders who are willing to lead us out of there.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:49 PM
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12. I work to defeat the effort to build US empire in the Middle East.
You can too.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:08 PM
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15. Not this year
Hillary will be re-elected and I don't want to oppose her. My guess is that she will be all set to cut and run prior to a 2008 run.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:36 PM
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16. She will want to go on and invade a new country.
She will promise a better managed empire.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:10 PM
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34. we're all republicans now
..
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bushmeister0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:47 PM
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35. We haven't been defeated
remember "mission accomplished?"
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:19 AM
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27. Let's not forget the sage advice of Britney Spears..
We should support and trust our beloved commander in chief, for he knows best.:wtf: :sarcasm:
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:54 PM
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6. I applaud Kerry..
... for taking a courageous stand on this issue. Whether we stay there a month or 10 years, only the Iraqis can sort it out now and our presence is no longer contributing to the peace in any way.

But I'm confident that our Fearless Leader will "stay the course" as long as he can, after all, he's got nothing to lose.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:58 PM
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7. Thanks for the great post, bushmeister0, and welcome to DU!
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:15 PM
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8. But, that is not Halliburton's or Brown & Root's plan for the U.S.
...to get out of Iraq and therefore stop wasting the trillions of U.S. tax payer's dollars on war profiteering....is it?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:39 PM
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9. We want a plan, not a better slogan
That's both a better idea and a better slogan, all in one.
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Democrafty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:47 PM
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10. What a wonderful post.
Thank you for weighing in. Senator Kerry has been incredibly brave, and deserves our support.
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:49 PM
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13. Welcome to you too Democrafty!
:hi:
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:48 PM
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11. Great post! Thanks for supporting Senator Kerry so eloquently.
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 07:48 PM by demdiva
And :hi: to DU!!!
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:11 PM
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14. 18 months is better than 18 years. Still, it is a long time, and many
will die as a result.
Better to support complete resistance to this immoral war.
Support Lt. Watada's refusal to deploy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1478629&mesg_id=1478629
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:40 PM
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17. Actually, it's 12 months
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:10 PM
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18. It should be 12 weeks.
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jrandom421 Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:59 AM
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28. Not logistically possible
Can't move that many troops and their equipment out of Iraq that fast.
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 11:21 PM
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19. Vets For Kerry IL
We are still out here now veterans for progress he has a great Idea. Now that the lying Swiftboat vets are gone
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:46 AM
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22. Sadly, they are not gone.
They still have Sen. Kerry in their sights. They also pop up to accuse any ex-serviceperson who differs from the Republican line of being anti-American and anti-military.

You can track the attacks at: http://www.patriotproject.com/ They have a page up detailing how the extreme RW liars are still trying to 'Swift Boat' John Murtha. Sigh!
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BigYawn Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 11:50 PM
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20. The insurgency violence in Iraq can end in only two ways...
1. Get our troops out of Iraq immediately and let Iran set up
a mullahcracy in Iraq.

2. We keep troops until the pro-democracy forces in Iraq (which
seems to be the majority looking at very high turnouts at polls)
can defend themselves against the insurgents.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 08:35 AM
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23. Who said leave immediately? Insurgents are against our OCCUPATION
and if we took major steps to prove we will not stay as occupiers, by reducing troop levels, turning over PERMANENT BASES TO THE IRAQI military, and turning over building contracts to Iraqi companies, we will have taken away alot of the fuel the insurgencies were using to grow.
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BigYawn Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:34 AM
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31. Don't think so, cuz they are killing 100 times more Iraqi civilians than
Americans. It has all the earmarks of the repressed shia (under Saddam)
killing sunni and the sunni (angry over loss of high status under Saddam)
trying to create chaos with the hope of taking over the country back under
sunni dictatorship.

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:15 AM
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30. The Iraqi VP suggested this could be done in all but 2 provinces
by the end of this year. Kerry's timeline did reflect input from the military and the Iraqis.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 08:47 AM
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24. War is hell
In war, things like this happen all the time.

It's why we are never in favor of war.

If someone doesn't like what's happening in Iraq, he should be against war.
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bs1 Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:08 AM
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25. Should read: John Kerry has "another" plan on Iraq
Would be nice if the Dems could identify something they can all agree on, even if it's something less than each of them would ideally like, like how much they think the Republicans have fouled up this country and the world, and stick to that position for more than 30 seconds.

http://www.pollyticks.com
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:09 AM
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29. Pretty tacky
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 11:11 AM by karynnj
If you look at Kerry's plans, from 2004 thru now, you will see that the logic underlying them remains the same - what changed was the facts on the ground and the reaction of the Bush administrtion. Would you prefer that he stand by a 2004 plan that reflected that he would be CIC and what the reality was at that time? Have fun with RW slurs.

Most of Kerry's Oct 2005 plan is part of the Kerry plan (and the Kerry/Feingold plan - the K/F plan is not identical to the Kerry or the Feingold plan because it was a compromise.)

What plan do you like?
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:23 AM
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26. I'm so glad the morons* little photo-op in Iraq the other day..
did so much to help our troops. You know, getting rid of the umpteenth 1st in charge or 2nd in charge, or what ever the hell he was, Zarqari really put those al qeada dudes in their place...
:sarcasm:

moron* is a scumbag.

Out of Iraq today!!!!
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thoughttheater Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:57 PM
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32. The Makings Of An October Surprise?
Read an analysis that explains how Iraq may be the focal point of a Republican October surprise...here:

www.thoughttheater.com
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:59 PM
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33. 65% of citizens support withdrawal - 13% of Sens voted for it
and there will be no repercussions for the 87%. RIP democracy.
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