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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 07:07 PM
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Laptops missing all over the country this is no coincidence...
government laptops and different business have laptops missing with customers information. Bush is close to big business and why do all of these things happen at once for the businesses I bet they have the information to send out statements for payments.

The government is suppose to be fighting a war on terror how? if there are no safe guards to protect us the terrorist can find out where soldiers live and there family members lives are being destroyed because of incompetence and lies
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pooja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 07:10 PM
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1. They are about to pass a bill where we have national I.D. Card
with everything from our DNA to our voting record attatched to it.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 07:14 PM
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2. Every thing they come up with has been forged..
They make ss cards, pills, and any other types of records illegally. I am tired of these crazy bastards everyday another thing that takes away our privacy and they want us to believe they are protecting us BULL!
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 07:50 PM
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8. Absolutely untrue.
There's been NO talk of putting any other information on the card than identity with a biometric component (fingerprint, retina or iris scan, etc.).

The "card with ALL of my information on it" is pure hype.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 02:38 PM
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19. Whatever it is I don't want it and ..
it can be forged.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 06:41 PM
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29. The card doesn't need to have much info on it at all
It will become a proxy for YOU. All the info in all the databases it is linked into will be accessible from that one ID number. Steal someone's card, use it surreptitiously and gain access to any personal info you want as well as use other people's entitlements.

Right now, the info is in your head and is therefore completely under your control. Once it's on a card, you're exposed. Besides, who wants to be walking down the street and be stopped by DHSS officers at checkpoints asking for your card? That's what will pass for freedom in the US in future?

Boy, we sure have gone back a long ways... to WWII, in fact.



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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 07:15 PM
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3. The only thing that truly gives me hope is that
IMO these BushBotBorg players are so damn incompetent. Hell, they may have access but they are so busy playing "grab ass" with regard to hiring political shills, the expertise required to have a viable and user-friendly databases will not come to fruition in the near future.

Nope, we need not sit on our haunches but the RNC is cluelessly helping us (The Democratic Party) win back the house in November, i.e., the koolaid drinkers of the right wing are beginning to believe the swill spewed on Faux News as REAL WORLD TRUTH. God bless their arrogance! :patriot:
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 07:15 PM
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4. I have to agree...how utterly convenient for laptops to go home
with all this personal info on them, and just as conveniently get stolen the same night? In a random break in. Without password protection. What are the odds?

I...DO...NOT...BELIEVE...IT...FOR...A ...SECOND
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 02:41 PM
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20. And not just the vets info..
but I have heard in the past few weeks about 2 more companies have lost customers and employees info on the disk which employees have taken home, no coincidence.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 07:30 PM
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5. Clark Howard said ca 1/3 of Americans have been on databases that
have been stolen or hacked. He said hardly any ID thefts have occured in Europe b/c they have VERY STRONG regulations regarding protection of personal info.

This was in response to a caller who said she'd been notified that her name was on a laptop stolen from a U of KY professor; apparently 6,000+ plus names were on the laptop. She had graduated ca 4 years ago; why was her info on a prof's computer????????
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 07:37 PM
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6. Link for you butterfly.
http://www.privacyrights.org/ar/ChronDataBreaches.htm

Wow!

Feb. 2005 to June 2006 - 88,366,461
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melnjones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 07:54 PM
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9. What's with all the universities on this list?
Makes me feel safe to be in college. NOT.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 06:14 PM
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26. I was stunned to see so many myself melnjones.
I wonder how many are paying for higher-ed this way, selling info?

I wouldn't worry though, everyone's a target now.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 07:59 PM
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10. Some of these I have known about
but others are new to me. Makes me wonder who may have my identity.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 06:17 PM
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27. I was hit last year with my Visa debit card info stolen.
It took over a month before I was notified by the CU!

Luckily I was/am broke! No one wants my ID!:rofl:
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 04:34 AM
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16. Mind you, that "laptop/tape recovered" still leaves the data stolen
It's trivial for the perpetrators (for anyone with basic IT skills) to make a copy of the contents of a backup tape or hard-disk - which still leaves the ID data in the wrong hands, still enabling identity theft - which presumably is the purpose of stealing or leaking the data to begin with.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 06:22 PM
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28. That is the part they always forget to mention rman.
"We *recovered* the laptops/tape" means crap.

I was lucky last year when my Visa debit card info was hacked at the main, along with how many others, I don't know.

I was/am broke most of the time. No one wants my ID!

I don't know whether I should be grateful to be so broke or not!

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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 02:45 PM
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21. Nothing safe ..
and this Identity card they are speaking about I believe has something to do with bush one and the new world order.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 07:48 PM
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7. Actually, it's probably just simple theft in most cases.
Laptops are easy to steal and easy to resell.
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:15 PM
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11. It's like shark attacks...
These kinda things happen from time to time, but the media finds an issue and then goes into a feeding frenzy...

I'd guess this type of thing has happened for years, we are just now hearing about it after the big Veterans database was lost. Infact, months ago, before this type of story became leading news, my bank sent me a letter informing me that a laptop was stolen that might contain my info. It wasn't reported in the news back then, but the media love piling on and turning an otherwise small story into a monumental crisis.

Probably just common criminals stealing laptops. My company has had so many stolen I've lost count. I doubt most of the information is being used for anything.

In a few months the media will get bored of this story and move on. We are nearing shark attack season again aren't we?
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 04:19 AM
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15. Not "from time to time" - in Europe, not at all -
Edited on Sat Jun-24-06 04:26 AM by rman
In the US a lot in a short span of time.

Millions of IDs stolen is big news any day - not something to be ignored by the media on some occasions, and reported on other occasions. IDs of some 30% of the US population stolen - that's a lot of occasions.

How do plain criminals get access to laptops that hold such sensitive information? I'd expect a high level of security to protect such data - and then it gets stolen by plain criminals? Gimme a break.

At the very best these data corporations are criminally negligent - which makes for a lot of criminally negligent data corporations. It's obvious that our ID data is not safe with corporations.

Incompetence Theory and Coincidence Theory don't hold water.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 02:50 PM
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22. I agree with you and I believe that it is being sold ...
some how and being sent overseas and the businesses are in on it along with our government.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 02:52 PM
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23. This is not some simple matter..
what in the hell are employees doing taking home customers information?
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:46 PM
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12. Why are personal databases loaded on laptops in the first place?
Personal records should be kept on secure mainframes (if that is the correct name since I have been out of DP for some years.)

If the records need to be accessed by a laptop user that should be kept to a minimum encrypted and password protected. No one should be authorized to download this data.

Who is running this railroad anyway? It doesn't take a genius to determine this is an unnecessary risky business.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:47 PM
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13. My feelings exactly.
It's too much of a coinky dink.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 09:50 PM
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14. I was thinking about a fundie link
Esp. since the Left Behind game is out, Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save
that he had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name- (National ID?)

Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they
be broken to shivers (foreign diplomacy or lack thereof)

Now, I don't know much about this but I have read that Bush is constantly making biblical
references in his speeches. I was wondering if some of this which many of us here find
inexplicable could have a dual purpose, data mining and religious symbolism.

(Now, I really don't know much about this but someone said at one time that the number of
GITMO inhabitants equaled 666, only 10 of those people were ever tried, so what is their
purpose there?)

I will probably be flamed big time for this but I was just wondering about this possibility?
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 02:58 PM
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25. in 2004 Norquist made a speech
and in that speech he commented on how the r's were going to take control of the Executive, Legislative, and then work to take over the Judicial branch of the gov't...and how after they did so, they would target Democrats, colleges, professors, and unions..

The speech was made on 9/12/2004...just a couple months before the election..so tell me if it seems there might be a connection? it does to me..all of these computers...laptops for crying out loud...being left where someone can steal them, with all this pertinent information about fellow Americans on them...come on...no accident...and NO coincidence...I figure from the numbers of people's information involved...we can just about be assured that every damned one of us...has been compromised...another instance in the "war" against us, called fear??? Tell me what's more frightening than to find your personal data has exposed to the world, and all it's criminals...

what number is your name number....ss??? everyone is a number, and everyone is known to the gov't, your bank, your doctor, your credit, and just about everything else, by that number...when I was a kid, you didn't have a ss number until you entered the work force and started earning a living....now, before you leave the hospital with your new baby, the baby's ss number has already been applied for....scary times for sure...

wb
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:11 AM
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17. agree - this is not coincidence
nt
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:55 PM
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18. Time to steal another election. n/t
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 02:55 PM
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24. Yes! somehow this can be used to find out information ..
Edited on Sat Jun-24-06 02:56 PM by butterfly77
on voters. I am tired of these bastards and the Dems for just waiting till now to start talking about voting machines. There is so much that can be done with this information and they all can lie and say it came from one place or the other.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 07:00 PM
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30. It's called "Govern by Crisis". They want a National ID card....
So they've created a crisis to SAVE US FROM. You're right it's no coincidence, it's MIHOP!
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conflictgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 07:02 PM
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31. Why is this happening so much?
If I'm not mistaken, this is a relatively recent phenomenon. So why has it become such a huge problem in such a short period of time?
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