I don't understand why so many people, especially among the mainstream media, are talking about Hillary in 2008. It looks to me as if they hate her guts on the right, and they hate her guts on the left. Who the hell supports her? Where is her support coming from? I just don't understand how anybody can call her the "front-runner." Could it be that's why the mainstream media are pushing her so hard, because they WANT her to be the Democratic nominee because they know she'll have NO chance and WILL lose?

I think the Democrats should nominate Al Gore. He'll automatically get the Democratic vote and also a HUGE sympathy vote, because in spite of the mainstream media's muzzling of the election-fraud issue, there is an unconscious feeling among the electorate that something stinks to high heaven about what happened in Florida in 2000. That's why Gore will be the hardest Democrat for the Republicans to beat, even WITH their propaganda and election-rigging machinery going at full tilt. And as Mike Malloy says, even IF the Republicans are going to rig that election too, WE WANT TO MAKE THEM DO IT. We don't want them not to HAVE to do it. I don't think they'll HAVE to rig it if Hillary is the nominee.

Ron

I mean, if she did win the Democratic primary, I'd certainly vote for her in the general election :shrug:

is she my choice for the democratic nomination? no. but I support most of what she does in the senate (yes, i disgree with her on the war), I think she is fully capable to be president (unlike shrub) and I believe HRC has and will continue to expand boundaries for woman.

If she gets the nomination, she fully has my support.

Regardless .... I will probably be stealing it from you!

...but I'll hold my nose when I do. I'll vote for her because almost any Democrat is preferable to almost any Republican.

Ron

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Could it be that's why the mainstream media are pushing her so hard, because they WANT her to be the Democratic nominee because they know she'll have NO chance and WILL lose?

It started as a Republican talking point and their talking media heads have run with it.....they are hoping for a McCain/Clinton match. I'm with ya - Gore/Edwards ticket is what I'm hoping for..

Republicans don't want McCain.

Maybe this is all about the radical centrism of the media. But Hillary is great because she polarizes without being a real progressive.

I know people who like Hillary, but they're not voting in the primaries. OTOH, isn't everyone here going to vote in the primaries? There are definitely some Hillary supporters or at least defenders on the blogosphere (I have read their comments) but most of us have become disheartened with her on account of the war.

I won't be pulling the lever for any Dem nominee who supported the invasion\occupation of Iraq and hasn't apologized for his or her vote, as Kerry did a couple weeks ago.

for us. If they keep talking her up, and making it seem like she's the one the Dems want, then sooner or later, she'll become that person.
The GOP want to run against her because they already have a loaded arsenal of things to 'swift boat' her on and won't have to spend a lot coming up with new stuff on someone else.
To me, the Dems have far more capable potential candidates with more experience and credibility, but who really gets to make the selection anyway??

I think the more we hear about her being the front runner, the better chance there is that other possible candidates like Feingold, Bayh, Biden, and Warner will look for ways to destroy her candidacy. Look at what happened to Dean in 2004. He was an early front runner, but by the time the primaries got started his popularity fell, and he was never able to recover. For that reason I'm not too worried that she's in the lead now and I think that come 2008, we won't have to worry about her being the nominee.

and that is a half truth that even today's talking heads understand.

But, Hillary is not popular around the country. She loses straw polls, she pisses people off and she is not effective in the least at reaching out to others. Something about her attitude puts people off. It has nothing to do about her being female. She turns me off in exactly the same way that Ralph Reed on the other side turned me off when he first arrived on the political scene.

in most states. I don't understand it, but I know of at least one guy who is a bit of a big wig Dem in one state that he thinks Hillary will not only be the nomination but will be the next POTUS. And get this one -- after he says that, he then said that he didn't like her. So, that's nice and all that all the consultants and big wig Dems in all the states are "on her team", but don't you need, you know, votes to get the nom?

But I don't think you can underestimate the importance of her name recognition. I think the attention she's getting now will probably work against her in the end, but no one is being talked about as a possible candidate as much as her. This gets her money and gets her press ...pretty much every issues discussion includes a mention of where she stands. Both are huge advantages for 2008.

As one of the possible contenders who's already anointed by the corporatocracy, she gets the most airtime name dropping by their whores.

We need to focus on the midterms... ignore their hot air for now. Unless someone brings it up around you, then you can set them straight, and get back to work on the very important races that will be decided this fall. :)

She would make an easy target for them. Think of all the crap they would bring back to the front. It would make swift-boating look like a flea bite. Imagine Ken Starr times 100.

The media would love it since she has star power and a former first lady running for Prez would be a great story for them.

the storms of two campaigns and a scandal plagued 8 year presidency of her husband. Since I am more media savvy, I'm going to reserve judgment against these attacks against Hillary. I know for a fact that the Swift Boat attacks against Kerry were categorically false -- absolutely NO truth to them at all. During the '90s we didn't have the blogosphere, so I never got to hear the Clinton defense against Whitewater and Hillary's making money on the Chicago commodity market and so on; perhaps all of that stuff was totally bogus, and with the power of the blogs now at full throttle, we can debunk it.

No, if I am unenthusiastic about Hillary's desire to be president, it is that her centrism does not fit my idea of good governance. I'm more attracted to the progressivism of John Kerry, who has a true vision of what this country needs to do, and it is a total 180 from George W. Bush. With Hillary, where will she distinguish herself, besides competence, from the Republican/neocon agenda? So far, I haven't been convinced that she will be a standard bearer for workers, families, and a sensible strategy for national security. She seems to want to cede too much power to large corporations . . .

Hillary.

....worst days she's a million times better than what we've got now or anything the neocons have to offer for 08.

What gets me is why every Liberal around isn't totally and always defending Hillary. No, she's NOT my first choice either but I will make her out to be a god to every neocon around, if that's what it takes to get the House, the Senate, and the WH out of neocons hands.

On top of all that, I'd think after 6 long hellish years of what we've got now - we'd be looking to Hilliary (IF she gets the nomination) as a savior from the Fascists themselves.

Oh, but no, not liberals, liberals have to be the ones to shoot themselves in the foot and give up elections. If we give up these next two elections with our infighting over who is and who isn't a perfect candidate then we deserve all the effing political hell we will get.
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The media shouldn't be the one picking our candidate!
The media isn't spouting off every day how it looks like Pat Robertson is the leading GOP candidate.
We all support Hillary as a democrat, but we don't have to accept their premise that she's the front runner for 2008.
No Dem is going to vote for a Bush lookalike over Hillary.
We just don't want them forcing someone on us who they know and most of us know can't win in 2008!

Theres only one problem.

SHE'S NOT RUNNING!

No wonder we always get accused of drinking Kool-Aid. :eyes:

Also, remember all of the hoopla about YearlyKos as well as Kerry being cheered and her being booed at the KAP conference all over the war. She knows she has a problem in the blogosphere, and she's looking to correct that. I'm telling you, the media doesn't just take this out of thin air. Hillary is raising gobs of money and setting up organizations in every state as we speak. She is most definitely running. And the reason she is called "unstoppable" is because of that money and organization, not to mention name recognition.

She's been able to move herself to the center already becaue she's so far ahead for the fall. It could make for a very interesting dynaminic in the presidential primaries.

she wouldn't rock the boat, derail the corporate gravy train, screw up the free trade scam that is costing us our livelihoods while making the rich even richer.

GOP conservatives love her because they know they can beat her. Polls show that both Allen and McCain would win easy victories. Jebbie would have to work a little harder.

We can do better. We have to do better.

I would guess Bill and Chelsea support her.

And the right's going to hate any Democrat's guts. They hated Kerry's, Gore's, and Bill Clinton's, too.

She isn't my first choice in '08, but I can understand why she is liked, I believe the polls when they say she is the frontrunner - at least for the moment.

Strongly...

But of course I am a corporatist neocon whore. I am not a "real" Democrat. I am one of those from whom liberals are trying to take back the party. In actuality I am a neocon mole infiltrating the party only to weaken it by supporting a right wing candidate.


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There isn't a sane choice but to vote for her. I'm waiting until after 06, and then see what develops. Two years is too far into the future to be signing your final opinion in blood. Thanks.
quickesst

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Should be enough for her to win the GOP.... ooops, sorry, the DNC nomination.

Something that has been chewed over more than half a million times already here at DU.

Why don't you just post links to all prior threads and save yourself some time?

Nothing new here.

But I'm not as confident as I once was that she'll gain the nomination, since there will be so many other attractive candidates, like Mark Warner, gunning for the moderate/centrist voters who would likely support her.

Do I think she could win the presidency? Of course. Especially if she's up against someone like Bill "Cat Killer" Frist.

Also, as a footnote, I'm sure the so-called "netroots" will turn against her and favor a more liberal candidate like Feingold, or someone who's giving them *cough*JEROMEARMSTRONGofMYDD*cough* a paycheck, like Mark Warner, so she will have to work that much harder to win.

That's what the RW are desperate to avoid. They push Hillary because the feel that she won't win.

Only the RW and the NYT are obsessed with him.

But she is not on the top of my list in the primaries.

Actually, I think a bunch of Americans adore her.

Bill Clinton just said today that he had a lot of respect for Dubya.

It's a love-in among the elites!

Bill Clinton is a former president and he has to say he respects the president. But "respect" does not equate to "agreement". Clinton and W have had VERY different presidencies. Moreover, if you have frustrations with Bill and Hillary that's understandable, but neither are "elites", just because they have been successful in their lives.

I love Hillary.

I didn't actually oppose her, either, until some powers that be somewhere decided that she had to annointed the nominee for 2008 before we even got to the 2006 campaigns.

Between HC and Gore? No choice here. Gore in a heartbeat.

Could it be that's why the mainstream media are pushing her so hard, because they WANT her to be the Democratic nominee because they know she'll have NO chance and WILL lose?

The MSM whores want Hillary to be president because it will make for "exciting" political/infotainment coverage, which they believe will translate into robust ratings.

So they're trying to create a self-fulfilling prophecy that Senator Clinton has the Dem presidential nomination locked up.

It's that simple.

The Clintons are soooo 90's(oops, sorry).

Fact is, Bill and Hil are NOT lib dems.
As much as I fondly remember Bill's Presidency,
It's only because of what I compare it to.

Gore? Ditto(oops, sorry again).

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Clark '08-but it's TOO FUCKING SOON TO THINK ABOUT '08.
The prize is '06-FUCUS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!