"Black Commentator" calls BS on Clark, Rangel

Well look what I stumbled onto when searching for Wesley Clark's testifyin' church op photos....


Rangel Carries Clarks Water for Clinton: Hype Trumps Facts in Empire of BabbleOn

Clark is a fraud, a poseur, a wind-up action figure in a suit - who belongs to Bill.

/snip/

Anybody that's against the war that can beat Bush is going to be overwhelmingly supported in the black community." – Rep. Charles Rangel, endorsing Clark candidacy.

What dissonance! What nonsense! What will Bill Clinton think of, next?

The Arkansas Conjure Man with the 125th Street office has sucked every brain cell from Harlem Congressman Charles Rangel’s 73 year-old skull. Rangel, who hopes to follow in the great Adam Clayton Powell’s footsteps as Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee should the Democrats prevail in 2004, is betting the whole legacy on a transparent lie – that Wesley Clark is an anti-war candidate. Bill Clinton told him to do it.

Rangel swallowed Bill and Hillary’s potion, gathered up his substantial bulk, and fairly ran through the corridors of the Capitol soliciting endorsements for the Clintons’ designated player. “This general is a protection for America, to challenge this president's policies without being called unpatriotic,” Rangel told the Associated Press, September 19. “I feel like I've gone back to get my big brother who's a four-star general."

more ---

http://www.blackcommentator.com/57/57_cover_clark.html

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As I live and breathe. It suuuuure looks like SOME African-Americans aren't buying the Clark/Rangel (dare I say it...) whitewash!

:nuke:

regarding Clark's fundraising successes, you wrote;

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Scott Lee (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-25-03 10:44 AM
Response to Original message

3. Congrats to Clark


Every supporter a Democrat can gain is another plus in the fight against Bush*.

Perhaps one day the vitriolic opponents of Dean in the Clark camp will realize this.

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But I suppose there's nothing vitriolic about scouring the net to find any and all anti-Clark articles and gleefully bringing them here.

No sir... only Clark suppoters are vitriolic :eyes:

You have a nice holiday - try to spend a few minutes doing something other than slamming Clark.

The thread on the Black Commentator started off with me saying "Look what I STUMBLED UPON while searching for a Clark photo".

That doesn't match the definition of "scouring the net to find any and all anti-Clark articles and gleefully bringing them here" now, does it?

Thanks, I didn't think so.

on the net???

"must find dirt on Clark..typing with my toes so I can say I stumbled over it""

heh heh...it's okay to play hardball..just admit it!

"But I suppose there's nothing vitriolic about scouring the net to find any and all anti-Clark articles and gleefully bringing them here."


Considering that just last night folks were quoting Drudge to attack Dean for being religious.

they (not I) and Drudge were all quoting the Boston Globe.

that's been obvious since the first shots were fired

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... con't
http://www.blackcommentator.com/about_us.html

What's next - the Black Panthers? LOL!

"Carolyn Moseley-Braun is doing someone a favor, but it's not Black Democrats... the actual purpose and potential effect of her primary run can only be to dilute the impact of the Black vote, itself."

http://www.blackcommentator.com/30/30_commentary.html

They've also called Clark, Dean, Kerry, Edwards, Braun, Graham. Lieberman, and Gephardt "barbarians."

http://www.blackcommentator.com/58/58_cover_dems_pf.html

That's a fucking love letter compared to what CLark and Kerry supporters have said about other candidates here on DU.

..supporters.

I believe that when maddezmom in post #3 asked for comments on this internet magazine, he/she didn't mean as it compares to Clark and Kerry supporters.

After all, it includes Dean in the "barbarian" broadside.

Are you cornered again?

Example?

And any source that puts the dems (except Kucinich and Sharpton) in a "barbarian" category and says Braun is only running to dilute the black voter is pretty conspiratorial.

Tell you what, Scott Lee, you're pretty good with hit-and-run type replies.

Since I sent one of your friends packing after his debate-challenge debacle the other night, perhaps you'd like to pick up his torch on the Clark issue?

Since I have christmas merry making to do, I'll check back in later.

Time and place?

Oh that's right, you're the "come on I dare you to debate me" guy.

Well, anytime. Let's do it right here on DU, I don't see why you'd want to hide anywhere else. Give us your best shot. Tell us why we should discount any criticism leveled at Clark.

I'll be waiting.

... when I called him on it, he vanished... as did you.

Just as you just avoided proving your assertion that I was "cornered again."

Regardless...

I'm all for debating openly, but interesting you would want to do it on a forum.

This allows you to "disappear" for days at a time and claim you didn't see the replies.

It also allows others to interfere.

No, I'm more for a chat room in real time. So time and place would have to be arranged.

Invite whoever you wish.

This would severely limit any opportunity to run and dig for more info each time you were backed in a corner.

And my rules are simple:

Sourced facts, no opinions.

"Facts" don't include what you "know to be true." Facts are substantiated by sources.

For example, in an earlier thread of yours you based on argument on Dean's superior qualifications over Clark's on the fact that Clark had never been elected to an office before.

However, you provided no sources other than your opinion that that matters at all.

If you had a source, say, the NY Times quoting a study that showed politician's who have never held office before are less successful than those who had, you would have had a valid point.

But you didn't.

So your whole post was not a fact, it was an opinion, and will not score you points in a debate.

Mainstream sources supercede fringe sources in credibility. Clarification: CNN is worth more than Counterpunch.

Now. like I said, I'm off to do christmas stuff.

Private message me if you're serious and we'll announce the time and place.

All this cloak and dagger stuff you suggest has got me seriously concerned. Is there something about this atmosphere that has you worried?

Let me know, as always I'm at your service.

http://www.blackcommentator.com/68/68_cover_dean_pf.html
SNIP..."Howard Dean’s December 7 speech is the most important statement on race in American politics by a mainstream white politician in nearly 40 years. Nothing remotely comparable has been said by anyone who might become or who has been President of the United States since Lyndon Johnson’s June 4, 1965 affirmative action address to the graduating class at Howard University....."

To clip parts of an article, removing the meaning of it, and using it against the author. Thank you for exposing the fraud of the blackcommentor for us.

Clark has had to defend that article time and time again, because in today's world people apparently can't separate a tactical assessment versus a political opinion. Both of which were expressed in that article.

some of the people who bring this stuff here are carrying, doesn't it Jim4Wes ?

Why yes, I think you were. So much for the "clip and run" accusation. Now THAT, sir, holds no water.

that the blackcommentator clipped and used against him. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

instead of the messenger here at DU.

then I can post my criticism of it. You disagree? I didn't criticize you for your post and already have clarified that. If you want to use articles against Clark you are free to continue doing so.

Let's not go off the wall here. I just mentioned that you might want to take your criticism of truncated stories to the author - in this case, Black Commentator. I certainly never meant to imply that you were restricted from doing so here. If you got that impression, it was wrong.

:toast:

I think I'll pass on e-mailing the blackcommentator, seems like a waste of effort to tell you the truth.

and The Black Commentator seems to have implicitly endoresed Dean as well. They're practically ready to blow him in this article.

http://www.blackcommentator.com/68/68_cover_dean.html

Perhaps you should do more reading on that site. Black Commentator is pretty harsh on all of the candidates in various degrees.

The point of posting this really was directed at another DU user (who I am wont to name as it appears to be a warning offense from the good moderators) who claimed that African Americans are uniform in their support for Wesley Clark.

For you poops that hate Dean and think it's funny that it's white supporters hold AA for Dean signs, LOOK! A black person who doesn't like Clark! See? HAHAHA
-mature Dean supporters

Not to mention it's poorly written and uses the same quotes taken out of context as the Dean supporters on DU. And the arrogant know-it-all tone.

But unfortunately, the article I posted pretty much refutes the ridiculous notion that African Americans all like Wesley Clark.

I'm sorry to be the messenger of ill news in this holiday Season.

I'm not too sure of their fondness for "the Black Commentator".

Dean supporters seem to be married to poll numbers. In the case of Rangel and Bill Clinton, actual past election numbers are being ignored. Over 90% of African American voters cast their ballots for William Jefferson Clinton.

I suppose "they" all can sing and dance, too?

I'm sure you don't want to step in the minefield you have approached.

I'm afraid you're quite mistaken.

This Black person is one of MANY who dies not have a high opinion of Clinton and I am going to look at Rangel very closely from now on. Many of us think Rangel has either lost his mind or that we never really knew him.

Bill Clinton’s sugary fingers are all over the Clark candidacy and Rangel’s less than dignified endorsement. As we wrote:

Clinton’s is in trouble. The Black, union and anti-war base of the Democratic Party has tagged the DLC’s candidate, Sen. Joe Lieberman, as the personification of betrayal, and he is finished. Rep. Dick Gephardt pins all his hopes on union endorsements based on his leadership in the losing 1994 battle with Clinton and the GOP over NAFTA. Massachusetts Sen. Jim Kerry is considered too close to Edward Kennedy, who is anathema to DLC leadership. And Senators John Edwards (NC) and Bob Graham (FL) no longer matter….

Bill Clinton considers front-runner Dean a captive of the Left – a notion that some lefties also cling to. So Clinton pulls all the switches to light up his hologram, Wesley Clark.

Sharpton was very clear during the Presidential debates and he spoke for many Black people. I even put his quote in my signature line as a subtle reminder to this New Dem party that we're damn serious this time. We are no longer delivering the vote on demand only to be promptly ignored after the inauguration.

I very well remember having to go out at the last minute, at Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton's urging to "rock the Black vote" for Clinton and literally begging people to vote. That was in the days when I wasn't aware of ugly words like welfare reform, NAFTA, Free Trade, GATT, humanitarian interventions that were anything but, heavy handed tactics with Europe to foist genetically engineered foods on them because Monsanto practically owned the Clinton administration, $1.3 billion in military aid for the Colombian government, which Clinton demanded not be tied to Colombia’s improving its human rights record. Oh yeah and the ugliest word of them all- DLC.

You think Black people forgot about Clinton's broken campaign promise re Haiti? How he used one of the issues we were the most concerned about to get our vote, lied that he would grant Haitian refugees political asylum and then promptly resumed Bush's policy of sending the Haitian refugees back?


"I am appalled by the decision of the Bush administration to pick up
fleeing Haitians on the high seas and forcibly return them to Haiti before considering their claim to political asylum.... If I were President, I would -- in the absence of clear and compelling evidence that they weren't political refugees -- give them temporary asylum until we restored the elected government of Haiti."
May 27, 1992

"For Haitians who do seek to leave Haiti, boat departure is a terrible and dangerous choice.... For this reason, the practice of returning those who fled Haiti by boat will continue, for the time being, after I become President. Those who do leave Haiti...by boat will be stopped and directly returned by the United States Coast Guard."
January 14, 1993

Your readers may be interested in the following open letter to President Clinton: President Bill Clinton The White House 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, D.C. 20500 Dear President Clinton: It has been more than two years since the overthrow of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide of Haiti, and more than one year since your election to the presidency here. In that time, military repression of the Haitian people has intensified -- killing, torturing, and imprisoning thousands of innocent Haitians and sending many more thousands into hiding, while you have broken your own campaign promises concerning Haiti and Haitian refugees. During the election campaign, you pledged to make the restoration of President Aristide to Haiti a priority, and you criticized President Bush's policy of forcibly repatriating Haitians fleeing their country. Then, after being elected, and even before being inaugurated, you announced that you would continue President Bush's policy of returning fleeing Haitians without screening for refugee status. You used the same justification as your predecessor, declaring concern for "the tragic loss of life" of would-be Haitian refugees, while returning them directly to the dock at Port-au-Prince where they are processed, fingerprinted, and at times jailed by the Haitian police. Meanwhile, your professed support of President Aristide has wavered. While avoiding strict enforcement of the embargo aimed at the Haitian military and wealthy elites that sponsored the 1991 coup, your administration has repeatedly pressured Aristide to make unwarranted concessions. Aristide has made several such concessions -- such as an amnesty for political crimes and dropping his original prime minister to replace him with a more moderate one. Nonetheless, Aristide is portrayed by the US government as the intransigent one. At the same time, you fail to condemn the Central Intelligence Agency's ties to the Haitian military, and the CIA's use of falsified information in its ad hominem attacks on President Aristide. We wish to express our solidarity with the Haitian people in their continuing struggle for democracy and social justice. We urge you to:
Keep your campaign pledge to end the forced repatriation of Haitians attempting to flee their country; end the Coast Guard and naval blockade trapping Haitians in their country; instruct the Attorney General to enact Temporary Protected Status for Haitians in the United States. The spectacle of Cubans rightfully being welcomed as refugees upon arrival on US territory while Haitians are turned back to face brutal reprisals must end immediately.
Express your unequivocal support for the return of President Aristide to Haiti; put an end to statements suggesting that Aristide's future is "clouded" if he refuses to make further concessions to the military; end pressures on Aristide to expand his government to include those with close ties to the military that overthrew him.
Call for the immediate resignation of Lt. General Raoul Cedras, Col. Michel Francois, and the Haitian military high command; end pressure on President Aristide to expand the amnesty promised for political crimes (a promise made under US pressure) to a blanket amnesty covering all crimes committed during and since the coup. Not only is the broader amnesty not made available by the Haitian constitution, but those who seek it are responsible for an estimated 4,000 deaths.
Condemn the Central Intelligence Agency for its attempt to undermine declared US policy toward Aristide; instigate a full investigation of CIA and other covert involvement with the Haitian military, both in the past and at the current time.
Expand the freezing of assets and suspension of US visas to cover all coup backers, military officers, and their political allies, and urge other nations to do the same. The current list of those subject to such US restrictions is quite limited; for example, it does not include Jean-Jacques Honorat, one of the chief architects of the 1991 coup, or individuals in Haiti who have hired a Washington lobbyist to defend the coup regime.
Work with the United Nations and the Aristide government to ensure that humanitarian exceptions to the embargo bypass the military and go directly to the Haitian people.


Campaign for Peace and Democracy

http://www.bostonreview.net/BR19.2/forum.html


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2/20/03: Moseley-Braun and the Game to Contain Sharpton - Claims CMB is in the race to steal votes from Sharpton - http://www.blackcommentator.com/30/issue_30.html

2/27/03: Al Sharpton’s Battle to Transform the Democrats - http://www.blackcommentator.com/31/issue_31.html

10/2/03: Two Civilized Men Among the Barbarians Democrat debate reveals vast moral deficit - Kucinich & Sharpton - The rest are Barbarians - http://www.blackcommentator.com/58/issue_58.html

10/30/03: Blurb about JJ, Jr. endorsing the suddenly civilized Dean - http://www.blackcommentator.com/62/issue_62.html

11/13/03: Excuse to drop Al Sharpton's for Howard Dean - More sucka** comments in the article - http://www.blackcommentator.com/64/issue_64.html

11/20/03: Dean's New Southern Strategy - Blacks and Whites Together Focused on Education and Health Care By Congressman Jesse L. Jackson, Jr. (D-IL) - Touting Economics & Healthcare - http://www.blackcommentator.com/65/issue_65.html

12/11/03: Dean Makes Racial-Political History - Supposedly giving the best (JJ-Jr.) speech in 40 years (Just call him LBJ, MLK, and RFK) - http://www.blackcommentator.com/68/issue_68.html


That's the definition of a sucka** - Of course it's ok for JJ-Jr to carry the water for Howard Dean :puke:

Did I strike a nerve?

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"Rangel, who hopes to follow in the great Adam Clayton Powell’s footsteps as Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee ...".

If I recall correctly (it's been a long time ago), wasn't Adam Clayton Powell disgraced for something?

Nah, didn't think so. I ran into those folks a few months back after Clark declared, they were already doing a Rowerian hatchet job on Clark. Here's a good example. They called one of their pieces on Clark "Dishonest to the Core and Probably Nuts". Yup, right our of the smear McCain playbook.

I know a very reputable Black who has strong feelings about the current crop of Presidential Candidates. His name is Clarence Thomas. The man sits on the Supreme Court, must be smart. Better listen to him.

nothing more, nothing less. Nice try though.



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