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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 03:29 PM
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Is John Kerry nearing the end of the road?
Regardless of the game face the kerry campaign is trying to put on, the recent revelation that Kerry is (again) mortgaging some of his property means two things:

1. Kerry's burn rate is far outstripping his cash flow.

2. His fund raising continues to falter.

It is evident that Kerry cannot raise the funds needed to stay competitive in the primary.

It is also evident to even the most casual observer that he has not been able to motivate and energize the voters. He is now consistently polling in the single digits nationally. There is little likelihood that he will win Iowa or New Hampshire. He may not even place in the top three. His is even farther down in the super Tuesday states.

Kerry's collapse is really one of the big stories of this primary. Many thought he would be the front runner from the beginning. His campaign has been marred by poor planning, staff firings, and poor organization and execution.

Of course he was hamstrung by his recent voting record. IWR, the Patriot Act, etc, have alienated many who would have supported him.

The recent statements from his campaign spinning his loans to himself as evidence that he is in the race to the end may be the signal that the end is near. Many surmise that Kerry took the nomination for granted, and dismissed the others very early in the race. Big mistake on his part.

(Of course don't feel too sorry for John. He really isn't putting any of his multi million dollar properties at risk. His wife's vast fortune will guarantee the notes, and most certainly will pay them off.)

Too bad.

Kerry coulda been a contender.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 03:32 PM
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1. I'm amazed
that it's taken him this long to see the flow of his campaign
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 03:36 PM
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3. If he's mortgaging his house to float his campaign,
regardless of the fact that it's just a way around campaign finance laws, I would question whether he has seen it.
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 03:35 PM
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2. Would Howard Dean really get blown out by George Bush ?
My post makes about as much sense as yours.
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moz4prez Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 03:38 PM
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4. why doesn't he just temporarily divorce Theresa?
that's $250 mil right there . . . he'd be unstoppable, and the inaugural festivities might include a re-marriage.

yes.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 03:41 PM
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5. hahahahaha I think that might not go over too well in middle America
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 03:41 PM
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6. pre-nup (nt)
nt
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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 03:42 PM
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7. Two words:
Prenuptual Agreement.
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 03:43 PM
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8. He'll stay in until a devestating loss in NH and IA
Then it's curtains for Kerry. Al Sharpton is polling higher than Kerry, so why Kerry's even wasting his money is beyond my comprehension at this point.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 03:47 PM
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9. He's still in because every shred of his Entitled fibre tells him to be.
This is what happens when blind ambition, a sense of political entitlement, and delusion mix. A complete divorce from reality.


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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 03:50 PM
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10. LOL, ha...but it's so true.
He expects Jesus or someone to come down and annoint him as the next ruler of America.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 05:52 PM
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30. No that would Dean as he relates his campaign slogan to Jesus n/t
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 04:14 PM
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18. that sounds like you're talking about Bush
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 06:22 PM
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37. Feelings of entitlement span political parties, sadly.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 03:54 PM
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11. When Kerry continues on until it's just him and Dean
don't be surprised.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 03:56 PM
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12. Not bloody likely
After NH, it's curtains for him when he gets consistent 4th place finishes.

Hawkeye-X
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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 04:05 PM
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16. 4th?
I think you're being a little generous there.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 04:15 PM
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19. Kerry will do it
no matter where he finishes. You think you can bury Kerry so easily?
He will stay in it to the end.
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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 05:27 PM
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25. No I think Kerry will stick with it...


ANd that's good... we need Kerry and Clark to stay in this as long as possible in order to take each other out and clear the way for Dean.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 04:01 PM
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14. Clark has made Kerry irrelevant
Kerry should have thought about it before he cast that fateful IWR vote. It's time to pay the piper!
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 04:10 PM
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17. Kerry has tried everything to cover up his stain
And nothing's worked. This is really good news for posterity, because it's a political lesson for those who want to appease war criminals and then try to blow smoke over that deed later on in a campaign.

Learn well, DU. Your vote in Congress, like your words, are like cosmic boomerangs that are destined to return, with full speed, to their owner.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 10:16 PM
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45. Nice slur. When did Kerry cover-up for a war criminal?
Kerry's done more to expose the BFEE than almost anybody. Moreover, he's put his life on the line to fight them.

What's your horse ever done? Besides ski, I mean.
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SadEagle Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 03:57 PM
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13. He is gambling on Iowa (and NH?)
If he manages a surprise second in Iowa, and becomes more competitive in NH, he may have a chance of reviving the campaign.. If he doesn't, then he probably is finished, since he seems to have little appeal in the February 2nd states, and probably wouldn't have the $$$ to run the ads.
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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 04:03 PM
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15. It'll put a dent in Kerry's "fun money"
I have a feeling Kerry will be paying the mortgage payments. Theresa's money is really knotted up in the Foundation. It will be noticed in the Kerry household. A little.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 04:19 PM
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20. Lets see how things go in Iowa and New Hampshire
:shrug:
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 04:31 PM
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22. I say regardless
he should go all the way
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 05:50 PM
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28. Possibly
I think his campaign is far from dead honest. I do like him, he is one of our best on environmental issues, I also like him standing for veterans rights, I think we must see how these primaries go, we must see then if a campaign is dead, and I dont think Kerry's is. I hope it isnt honest because I like him for the most part.
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jjmalonejr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 04:21 PM
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21. I agree with much of what you say about Kerry's campaign problems...
...but I don't think they are insurmountable and I don't think he's finished.

He's having difficulty raising money because of the obvious problems with the campaign's organization and the perception that he's finished.

He's in a statistical dead heat with Gephardt in IA, and both Kerry and Gephardt are within easy striking distance of Dean there. The IA caucuses are very fluid, and anything could happen there (including a Kerry win). Even a 2nd place finish would be the political news of the day (eclipsing Dean's win, which is expected) and give a big boost in NH.

Yes, he's betting a lot on IA, but an unexpectedly strong finish there coupled with an unexpectedly strong finish in NH would give the campagin a lot of momentum.

Don't forget, the majority of Democrats still can't name a single candidate, and don't even bother paying attention until their primary or caucus nears. Their answers in the polls are based on names being read to them, most of which they barely recognize.

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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 06:02 PM
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32. IMHO.. Kerry betting that he'll win IA and NH
Is, to be honest, is like betting on a 3 legged horse with a bit of brain damage going the wrong way in Kentucky Derby. He's good as dead.
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adadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 04:50 PM
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23. Kerry is
second in fundraising. Just on Inside Politics - compared the candidates fundraising to money-making movies. Compared Kerry to Seabiscuit.
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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 05:17 PM
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24. That was last quarter.
Kerry wouldn't be mortgaging assets if he was raising maoney this quarter.

The fact is, the frontrunners are able to raise money. When a candidate is deemed by the public to be out of the race, the money flow stops.

That's where Kerry finds himself now.
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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 05:28 PM
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26. Seabiscuit... that funny because I've always considered Kerry's campaign


to be a horse apple.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 05:50 PM
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29. heh no offense but our campaign used that in the summer
It's ok, of the supposely electable candiates, I think Kerry is my candiate of choice.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 05:41 PM
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27. Kerry's seen the din of battle. He's a fighter who has faced tougher odds
Edited on Thu Dec-25-03 05:53 PM by oasis
than an internet onslaught by Starbucks stalwarts.
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dreissig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 05:57 PM
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31. Kerry's The Guy
Kerry's the guy who voted for the war. He was so worried what Republicans might think of him that he forgot about what Democrats might think of him. I have to laugh! Kerry's supporters have no idea how disappointed we were when Kerry supported Madman George Bush.

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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. Kerry not afraid to assert America's military superiority
to insure our security. Apparently Dean is, and he now cannot beat Bush.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 06:24 PM
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38. Are you an imperialist?
I mean you seem to fixated on "military superiority", which history has shown is never held indefinitely by any single power.

So, what's with you and the military?

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 10:24 PM
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47. WTF are you talking about? "Fixated?"
Are you implying a fetish, or mental illness to mask a smear? If so, it's not very subtle or clever.

If not, a little information for you: Just because Kerry puts America's national security ahead of his own political hide doesn't make him, or any of his supporters, an "imperialist."

Unlike Dean, who spent Vietnam on the ski slopes, Kerry's actually been to war. Kerry has no interest in seeing, let alone helping, its spread. That would be crazy. And that's why Kerry makes the better man.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 06:17 PM
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36. Dr. Dean, a principled human being, is above making well thought out
political compromises.

You're in for a surprise. And ANOTHER disappointment.
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CalProf Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 03:17 AM
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57. Dean's above making
well thought out political compromises except on things like, um, bringing up Christianity to pander to southern voters.


Give me a break.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 03:54 AM
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58. Calprof, I know that you are no mind reader, but did you not detect even
the slightest bit of sarcasm in my previous post?
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ClarkGraham2004 Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 06:04 PM
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34. I long to see "AP - Kerry Set to Drop Out of Presidential Race"
Also from Lieberman and Edwards and Braun and Kucinich and Sharpton and Gephardt
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 06:14 PM
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35. Why? If Clark and Kerry allied
they'd run away with the primary.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 06:25 PM
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39. Allied? You want the convention to nominate them BOTH to run
against Bush*?

Oh dude....you are funny!


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edzontar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 06:28 PM
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40. Kerry has become a tragic figure....
He betrayed and alienated his natural constinuency (including me) with his IWR vote.

When Kerry became pro-war, his basic identity became confused.

I am not enjoying his decline, but am not surprized by it.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 07:00 PM
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41. He reminds me of King Edward (The Confessor)
not to be confused with the tyrant Edward Longshanks....

A tragic figure, always thinking he was doing the right thing but whose actions turned on him at every corner - leaving him weeping and lamenting his place and time, bewildered that the world didn't see him differently.

Amazing isnt it - how the more things change, the more they stay the same....
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 08:24 PM
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42. we don't need threads like this
I know Dean supporters are frustrated by the constant attacks, but let us not sink to their level... we'll need Kerry supporters on our side one day.
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edzontar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 10:25 PM
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48. I still basically LIKE Kerry--i am just frustrated and confused by him
He is a good man with a fine record.

On paper, he is perhaps the best candidate.

Certainly better than the endlessly touted Clark, who I USED to like before this board was filled with fauning mash-notes and divisive attacks on other candidates by his supporters.

Let's say it: Kerry was a genuine war hero who took an even more heroic stand against a criminal war (Vietnam).

He has stood for progressive causes for 35 years--not a few months like Clark, who voted for Reagan twice against better Democratic candidates.

I would like to support Kerry, but IWR blew for me, and he has seemed confused and panicked ever since.

Still I would take him over Johnny-come-lately, overrated, over-rpomited Clark any day.
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mb7588a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 02:51 AM
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56. Darboy you said it best.
At this point, seeing what I have seen from some of the Dean camp, I'll vote for the guy, but that's really about it. I give what little I can to John Kerry. I'm glad you recognize that Dean will need the supporters of other candidates to get elected. I think sometimes the Deaniacs let that slip their mind...

The Deaniacs I talk to in person are generally calm and polite, but here they sometimes seem confrontational and unwilling to discuss - "This bickering isn't good for the party" etc.

I agree, bickering is infuriating. Primary season IS for debate. Debate is healthy for the party, healthy for the candidates. Trashing a candidate, like some have in this thread and every damn thread in this forum doesn't do any one any good.
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Deesh Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 09:01 PM
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43. Kerry & Ben Franklin...
Can someone help me out here? John Kerry was on C-Span one night about a month ago and told a crowd in northwest Iowa somewhere about Benjamin Franklin's exit from the constitutional convention ( I think).

A woman was said to have asked Franklin, "Well, then, what sort of government do we have, Mr. Franklin?" And Franklin told her, "A democracy, if we can keep it."

If anybody can point me the right way on the source of that story, I would appreciate it. It's very inspiring to me.

And it's THAT John Kerry I respect and admire. I'm queasy about some of his votes, but his grasp of history is loads better than Bush. What I distrust most about Bush & Co. is their complete disconnect from the nation's history. There's no pathos or poetry. And it's a democracy I was hoping to help keep, so Bush has got to go.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 10:13 PM
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44. Kerry must really believe in his country...
... because he's done more than mortgage his house for his campaign. John Kerry's put his country's interests ahead of his own for most of his entire adult life. He knows how to use the office of the President to make this a better country for ALL Americans. What's more, Kerry's proved it. That's what makes him the best candidate for President.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 10:29 PM
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49. That's clear. Only those with "IWR tunnel vision" are unable to see it.
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Bill of Rights Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 10:17 PM
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46. Kerry has a chance to be the nominee
He'll stay in because he still has a chance. He is doing fairly well in Iowa and is in 2nd place in New Hampshire.

I don't think he should be pulling out now. Instead, I think Edwards doesn't have a chance and should say, "Bye, bye."
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FXDS Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 10:45 PM
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50. HAHAHA
Were going to see a Kerry/Edwards ticket in 2004! This is the strongest ticket out there and it will win. Trust Me!
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 11:10 PM
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54. I'd like a Kerry/Clark ticket
That to me would be sort of cool.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 11:01 PM
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51. 3 most "electable" choices
Edwards
Dean
Clark

All candidates would be better than Bu$h INC., but these 3, in my view, will be the top 3 the closer we get.
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 11:10 PM
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53. I disagree
I think Kerry stands a better chance than Edwards, to be honest with you.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 11:17 PM
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55. Maybe, but....
.....Edwards, I think, will reach more with his "outsider" appeal and I hate to say it but his better looks.
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 11:09 PM
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52. It wouldn't surprise me at any time if he dropped out.
He had a good chance to run an excellent campaign and I feel that he ruined his chance. Whoever was in charge of his campaign should seriously be hit, because a year ago Kerry was all anyone talked about for the Democratic nomination and he quickly lost that momentum. I have continually been unimpressed by the Kerry camp to turn their image around... he is still one of my top choices but I can understand why people have not been giving him support. His IWR and Patriot Act votes confused his supporters (myself included) and basically went against his principles.
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 04:30 AM
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59. I wanted to support Kerry in the beginning.

I tried to. He just didn't do it for me. I never believed
he felt the fire in the belly that we need to win this thing.

He may want to drag this out to the end though, just to make
things tough on Dean and/or any other primary winners. The
tougher the better, I say. That way we're ready to fight
our real enemy.



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Byronic Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 07:07 AM
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60. I hope not
John Kerry is no quitter. He is going to keep fighting and keep the good old fashioned torch of liberalism glowing in this campaign.

Many people here on DU are excited and energized by their chosen candidates. The excitement is wonderful to see. I am convinced, more than ever, that John Kerry is the right man to take on George W Bush next year.

It's a very visceral thing and I understand why others do not feel the same, but John Kerry speaks to the best part of me. He is an iconic liberal with the foreign policy credentials and biography to scare the hell out of Bush.

I wouldn't write off John Kerry just yet (hell, I'm always uncomfortable when ANY candidate is written off before a single vote has been cast), he may yet surprise everyone.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 07:12 AM
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61. So, sfecap - what will you post about if Kerry drops out?
It makes me sad to think about it -- how lonely you will be without your favorite punching-bag. :evilfrown:

I would so love Kerry to lay a smackdown on Dean in NH.

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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 11:18 AM
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63. I've been seeing some REALLY nice things about Clark.
Edited on Sat Dec-27-03 11:30 AM by Kerryfan
edited to show sarcasm on.
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