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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:10 AM
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Draft Gore Petition Has Begun

“Please sign below and spread the word to all your friends and fellow activists. With your help, we can create an unprecedented show of support for Al Gore that will hopefully help make a Gore candidacy in 2008 a reality. Thank you. “


http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/algore2008/
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:13 AM
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1. done
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:15 AM
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2. Done and with pleasure nt
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:18 AM
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3. Done and recommended.
If we can get everyone on DU to sign this, that's over 90,000 signatures!
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:20 AM
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4. Wouldn't that be something? n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:22 AM
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5. If he'd pledge to open the books on BushInc, he would gladly have mine
I will support amy open government Democrat for any office.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 12:35 PM
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29. blm, did Kerry actually pledge to open the books on Bush, Inc. in 2004?
I ask this knowing of Kerry's past investigations in the Senate of Iran Contra and BCCI.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 12:51 PM
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31. Kerry has a record of being for open books - if someone does NOT have a
record supportive of opening government books while they are in office, then that person needs to make a reassuring statement that they will in the future.

Since Kerry has taken administrations to court more than a few times to get the books opened up, and has always come down on the side of giving the public MORE information, then he has already proved himself far beyond most other lawmakers. Only Waxman and Conyers in the Congress even come close for their work to get documents opened.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 08:52 PM
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61. If Kerry were President, a lot of stuff that did become known in the
Edited on Mon Jul-10-06 08:54 PM by karynnj
80s and 90s would likely have become more well known - just because journalists and authors would more seriously cover Kerry's past. Even Ford has a biography - Kerry's life is fascinating and had he won this whole side of Kerry would be unusual enough that it would become better known. It isodd that a Kerry win could have changed drasticly the view of the 80s and 90s.

In his New War book he did speak of what had to be done to keep the tentacles of global criminals and terrorists from buying control of governments. His book attempted to shine a light on this underworld. He clearly would not tolerate the use of the drug trade to fund actions that Congress refused funding too. (Not to mention he clearly would not have had Iran/Contra creeps in important places.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 11:53 PM
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77. But if things were as they supposed to be,
Al Gore would be halfway through his second term now. John Kerry would be a good president but I would much rather have Gore as I have wanted since 1999...!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 12:15 AM
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79. I agree Gore would be in his second term
and paradoxically, Kerry should be in his first. I think with foreign policy clearly a key issue, I prefer Kerry there. In the last Rolling Stone, Gore speaks of wanting to do what he is doing - making the knowledge of global warming accepted truth, so that people wanting to enact legislation on it have popular support. I take him at his word on this - he seems far happier than he did running in 2000 or as VP. (Kerry, on the other hand, seemed to love running for President.

I preferred Bradley, who was my Senator, in 2000, but Gore is my second choice now - even though I don't know his positions on several issues and I think Kerry is more impressive on having an exit plan to Iraq.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 12:21 AM
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80. Kerry better be ready for the Swifties this time
I was disappointed in his lack of reaction to them. They managed to fool a lot of people who otherwise would have voted Kerry.

I'm still for Al Gore but I do still have 'feelings' for JK! :pals:
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 07:06 PM
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116. Actually any candidate better be ready for the swifties
We saw what they did to Gore, Kerry, and Murtha, which proves they can and will do it to any dem running.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 09:24 PM
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117. And the Dems need to call them on it
every single damn time. It drove me nuts for Kerry not to slam those bastards back good in '04! That is part of the reason why I hope he would not win the primary again.
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rubberducky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:23 AM
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6. Done
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:24 AM
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7. done.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:29 AM
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8. done
we need him.
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i miss america Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:34 AM
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9. Not just US ... the whole world does!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:44 AM
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10. Signed and passed along.
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:44 AM
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11. Done, k&r
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:45 AM
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12. done and passed it on. n/t
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:45 AM
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13. Thanks
dunnnnnnnnnn.........(I KNOW)
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:59 AM
Response to Reply #13
17. The signing drive just started this am and
is at 538 signatures.

The hope is that people aggressively circulate the petition

It is a simple thing we can do.
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femmocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:49 AM
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14. Signed and sent to 8 others. Thank you. n/t
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:54 AM
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15. Done
Do you know how long the site has been up?
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 11:05 AM
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18. I think they just came back online today
Here is a copy of the email I received this am

"Dear Friends:

After a two-year hiatus, Draft Gore is returning to the political fray.
Please join us as we renew our effort to draft Al Gore for president by
being one the first people to sign this national online petition asking
him to be our candidate in 2008.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/algore2008/

In recent months we have witnessed a groundswell of public opinion in
favor of a Gore candidacy. Let’s build on this movement with the largest
petition of its kind.

Draft Gore (www.draftgore.com) was founded in 2002 by grassroots
Democrats from across the country who believe Al Gore is the true voice of
our party and the only visionary leader and statesman who can return the
White House back to the American people. We still believe that’s true
–- now more than ever.

Please sign this petition and encourage your friends to do the same. If
you post on any blogs, lists, boards, or otherwise know of any ways to
promote this petition, please help us get the word out today. Together
we can make a difference!"
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 11:57 AM
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24. Sigs seem to be coming in pretty quick!
I gave the link to my daughter. She'll put it in a myspace bulletin. Should be good for a few from the youngsters.

Does anyone recall the photo of Al helping out...I think it was during Katrina? He was in there sweating and getting his hands dirty - stark contrast to pissyspants. If I had any questions about Al that photo answered them all. I'd like to get a copy of it if anyone has it or knows where to find it. May have been in a vid. Can't recall. I should have saved it at the time.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 12:20 PM
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27. Is this the pic you are looking for?
I tried to upload it on my sig but kept getting an error

http://cdn.news.aol.com/aolnews_photos/03/06/20050909195109990020
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 01:23 PM
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32. Dang, that was fast.



You guys never cease to amaze me. The photo may be right protected, though. I'm not sure. It could have just been a corrupt file. I had to go through four programs and kind of through the back door to convert it.

I hope I haven't stepped over the line by copying it. But I think people need to see what a real man does when faced with a crisis. What do you think? Btw, thanks for the link.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 01:36 PM
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33. Here's another:
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 02:36 PM
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35. Thanks
I googled Al the other day and didn't see these. Course I had 12 projects going at the same time. Could have been the blurrrrr that impeded me. Thanks for the help.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 02:39 PM
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37. Hey Dancing, I just googled Al Gore Katrina and it was
right there in images.

Would you send me a pm on how you got it to

load on your page? I got error and a too large message.

I wouldn't worry about copying it. We must promote our next president
any way we can.

In just a couple of hours, 300 more signatures have neen added.

DUers are doing a great job promoting.

:party: :yourock:
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #37
42. I know, I know.
:blush: I swear I googled Al the other day and didn't see it. Thanks again. I've sent you a PM.

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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #42
52. the thing about that Bush picture that cracks me up
is he's playing that "G'chords wrong 4th fret instead of third-can he get ANYTHING right?
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timontheleft Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #52
70. uh
no, he can't
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Peeves Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #27
93. I just don't think we have the correct ALGORithm ...
:rofl:
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:54 AM
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16. Done! K&R
:kick:
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Son Of Spy Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 11:12 AM
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19. Done and my version
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 11:13 AM
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20. I'll always remember 1992. :)
It was one of those moments one always remembers. I walked into the office that morning when Clinton had won. What a happy feeling.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 11:14 AM
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21. Done
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 11:22 AM
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22. So you want to lose again??? No thanks.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #22
55. There you are! I was worried!
It's not an Al Gore thread until you spew the same ol' tired Rethug talking point! Thanks for playin'!

:hi:

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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 11:29 AM
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23. Gore received 1/2 Million more votes than *
Done, with pleasure :bounce:
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 11:59 AM
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25. I only want him if he wants it...
but if he DOES want it, he has my 100% support.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 12:09 PM
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26. It was a pleasure. Done and K&R
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 12:30 PM
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28. Already got the bumper sticker on my truck.
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MGD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 12:46 PM
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30. Done. Sent to friends and family. K&R. Gore's the man. nt
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Sooner75 Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 02:27 PM
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34. Won't sign the petition. Don't think he's the guy for us.
I still can't forgive him for losing Tennessee. (If he had carried the state he and his father represented for so long, the hanging chads in Florida wouldn't have mattered.) I also don't like the way he backed off on the ballot count in Florida. He was a true gentleman, but Bush & Co. weren't, and we ended up with their trainwreck instead of what we SHOULD have had.

However, if he is the nominee, I'll vote for him, but I'll probably be pretty uneasy about it unless it's clear that he'll capture the presidency. I think he'd be a great president, but I have real doubts about his electablity.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. Have you seen the movie? The Inconvenient Truth?
Have you listened to his speeches in the last year?

Al Gore has changed. I don't think he would allow himself to be so badly handled if he were to run again.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. I don't think he would allow himself to be so badly handled if he were to
to run again."

He said in an article posted here, that if he were to ever run again,

he would forget about advisers, and just "let it rip."

I believe him and hope we get to see that.
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Sooner75 Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 02:57 PM
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39. Haven't seen the movie or heard his recent speeches....
What I have heard is Al Gore saying that he didn't see himself running again.

I like the guy. I really do. But, above all else, I want a good Democrat taking the oath of office in January 2009. If that good Democrat happens to be Al Gore, I'll be a happy camper. I just lack the confidence that Al can reach that point, and I'd love to be proved wrong. So, you Gore partisans out there get very, very busy and go for it! I'll be watching how it goes.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. Then check this out — it's the best speech of the past 25 years:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #40
43. Is that the speech he gave in Jan?
I watched it. His fire and passion gave me chills

and made me teary.

I knew then, that he must give it another shot.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. That's it. And that was only one in a line of magnificent speeches. NT
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Sooner75 Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #40
65. OK....got to my hi-speed connection and watched that speech
It's a very, very fine speech. I loved it. But, why did it take FIVE YEARS for someone to say those things? Al Gore may have been tardy in making those points, but where are the others who call themselves "leaders" and "representatives"? Where have THEY been? Robert Byrd has certainly been standing up for constitutional principles, but he's also approaching 90. Many of the younger ones have been hunkerin' down for too long.

THAT Al Gore might be able to get himself elected President. We'll see. The 2008 election is still a couple of geologic ages away though.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 09:57 PM
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69. Okay, and here's some more from as far back as 2002:
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 09:06 AM
Response to Reply #34
86. I agree
While I admire Gore, he is still tainted by association with Clinton's administration and impeachment. That is what the average Joe Six Pack will remember about him and that is what the Republican Party will hammer home to the voter.

I also lost a bit of respect for him for backing off in Florida. If he would have held on and fought to the end, he would be in his second term today. Instead he was outmanuevered and outsmarted by the Repugnant Party, allowing the Supreme Court to annoint King George I. I can never quite forgive Gore for not standing up for principle and the electoral process.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 03:08 PM
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41. Thanks for posting durrty libby
Kicked and recommended for President Gore:patriot:

:kick:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #41
45. Hey Uncle Joe
I hope people keep at it

If we could get 50,000 signatures thanking Colbert,

we should have no problem getting 500,000 for Al.
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 03:30 PM
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46. Signed & happy to do it
It would be a dream come true to have someone in the oval office again, to whom we can place our trust.

Al Gore is the perfect one to bring our country out of the doldrums.:thumbsup: :loveya:
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 05:44 PM
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47. Done! K&R!
And I'll help you keep this kicked! :toast:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #47
48. We have hit 1000 signatures today
Edited on Mon Jul-10-06 06:09 PM by durrrty libby
Great start :yourock:


The home page of the draftgore site

has one of his fiery speeches which can be viewed

or listened to.

Check it out and send to everyone.

http://www.draftgore.com/
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #48
54. Most excellent!
Edited on Mon Jul-10-06 07:09 PM by JNelson6563
I think it's because I've seen so many of his post-2000 speeches that I think he's the right person for the job! He has so been tellin' it like it is! I'll pass that link on for those who may not have seen those great speeches.

:toast:
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 06:10 PM
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49. Done (nt)
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liberaldemocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 06:36 PM
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50. Signed
The Liberal Democratic Party of the United States of America proudly calls for Al Gore to run for President in 2008.

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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 06:46 PM
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51. Done...some braindead freeper is filling it up with 200 lines of bullshit.
Hope they can erase that shit. :grr:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #51
53. I just saw that
I'm sure the site admin will make repairs


No one said that trying to get our democracy back

would be pretty
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #53
56. I'm thinking it's some pimply-faced overweight young GOP
sexually confused couch potato playing with his mommy's computer while she's out giving $5 blowjobs to buy crayons for the little prick and has no idea he's wasting the money on crack...
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FreeStateDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:36 PM
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57. Done
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 08:12 PM
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58. Almost 1100 now n/t
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 08:21 PM
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59. Done...with much glee!
It's time for President Gore to become .... president (again).
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Hun Joro Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 08:23 PM
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60. Done!
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 08:56 PM
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62. Done! And Thanks!
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 08:57 PM
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63. I don't want Gore to run. I want him to endorse Hillary. n/t
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il_lilac Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 09:07 PM
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64. done
it would be a dream come true.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 09:38 PM
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66. Done !!! - K & R !!!
:kick:
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 09:42 PM
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67. done 1155 signatures
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 09:44 PM
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68. Al, you are the best man for the job. Duty calls.
K&R
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:19 PM
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71. It is an honor and a pleasure to sign the petition.
Thank you.
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timontheleft Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:25 PM
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72. Done
Thanks for posting.

Go Al, go al, go al!!!

:dem:
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cezebrgr Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:26 PM
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73. FIND A GOVERNOR, BUILD A PLATFORM
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING. FIND A GOVERNOR. A MEMBER OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH THAT NOBODY HAS EVER HEARD OF THEN BUILD A GOOD PLATFORM. AL GORE IS JUST A MOVIE WAITING FOR A RELEASE DATE. MRS. CLINTON IS NOT HARD NOSE FOR THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT. BUILD A PLATFORM, AND THEY WILL COME.
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timontheleft Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:43 PM
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74. Who would you like to recommend?
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 12:05 AM
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78. Can you tone down the caps? Thx!
So who would *you* endorse?
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:16 AM
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82. Hey, I know you!
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:50 AM
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85. Handing the White House to the GOP once again in '08
I agree cezebrgr. While I admire Gore, he is still tainted by association with Clinton's administration and impeachment. That is what the average Joe Six Pack will remember about him and that is what the Republican Party will hammer home to the voter. I'd LOVE to see Gore as president, but if he (or Hillary) were nominated by the Democratic Party, I'm afraid we'd be once again committing political suicide. On paper, he is an ideal candidate. However, we're up against a well oiled Republican smear machine which are masters at manipulating the average reality series addled American who can name the last winner of "American Idol" but couldn't tell you the name of their representative or senator in Congress.

BTW, I'd love to see John Edwards or Barak Obama run. We need young rising stars of the Democratic Party to come to the forefront; some fresh blood, if you will.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 09:14 AM
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87. Yep, those Clinton/Gore years of peace and prosperity were sure hell!
;-)
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 09:25 AM
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88. You missed the point entirely
The years of peace and prosperity are not what the people will remember about Gore; ya think the Repubgnants smear machine is going to play that up??!!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 09:27 AM
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89. The GOP smear machine will be on high NO MATTER WHO is running.
Al Gore didn't FORCE Clinton to play with Monica.
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 09:37 AM
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90. Yeah, the Rep smear machine will ALWAYS be in high gear...
...all the more reason to run some new blood, someone they cannot smear so easily. Running Gore will be a turkey shoot for the Republican spin and slime merchants.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 09:39 AM
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91. Gore is the cleanest guy in Washington — who do you think would have
an easier time?
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 11:15 AM
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94. the differences are
1. Gore has already been through the Republican slime machine. Now with the movie a lot more people are seeing the real Gore, not the one portrayed by the GOP talking points and the media in 2000. Like Gore says in his movie, he's changing minds of his former critics.

2. Like Kerry, they went after Gore's credibility/personality because he's squeaky clean. See the formula is portray the Democratic candidate as a sex maniac (Kennedys, Condit, Hart, Clinton) or as someone who is losing their mind or is a liar (Dukakis, Kerry, Gore, Dean).

3. It isn't just about us. We need to regain credibility in the eyes of the world. The current rift in the global community can be healed quicker when other countries feel they can trust the person we put into office. We need someone with global credibility and that isn't going to be someone they've never heard of before.

4. No matter who runs as the Democratic nominee the GOP will unleash their slime machine. If we wait for someone who is as pure as the driven snow we'll never find anyone. Do you honestly think they will give a pass to anyone?

the bottom line is, no matter who runs, the GOP will attack them relentlessly. The real question is, will the press back them up this time?

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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:40 PM
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95. Someone with a set of balls may have a chance
Like it or not, Gore and Kerry are already weak in the eyes of the public. Let's face it. Gore wouldn't go the extra mile and challenge the biggest electoral heist in our history; everyone knows he won the 2000 election, yet he gave up and diminished himself in the eyes of the public. Kerry didn't fight back hard enough against false and vicious slander by the Republican machine. I want a candidate who has a set of balls to take on the inevitable smears and lies. Like it or not, Gore and Kerry will be remembered for their weakness in that they did not fight hard enough to take principaled stands. Hindsight is 20/20 and I'm sure they'd do it differently, given the chance, but let's be realistic; they are now "damaged goods" when it comes to being electable. The GOP WILL attack relentlessly; all the more reason to bring fresh faces to the stage. Edwards or Obama are my favorites. Edwards seems to have the Clintonian charm without the dirty laundry of Clinton. Also a southerner. These qualities will be essential to win anywhere in the South.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:43 PM
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96. "Gore wouldn't go the extra mile"? Were you ASLEEP for six weeks in 2000?
I guess he could have gunned down the SCOTUS.

:eyes:
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:47 PM
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98. Not asleep..
...but I do remember that he had the chance to actually demand a statewide recount and didn't do it. He should have NEVER thrown in the towel, NEVER!!!!!!!!!!
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:44 PM
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97. I hope I'm wrong about all of this, actually...
...but I really don't have much faith in the media or the simple minded American public anymore. I know that sounds pessimistic, but maybe I'm a realist. It's a sad state of affairs when more people voted in the "American Idol" final than in the last presidential election. And I'm sure if asked, more people could tell you who won that Idol competition than who their Representative or Senator is in Congress. Sad indeed...
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:52 PM
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99. Some food for thought
And this will be my last word on this subject. I hope I am proven wrong; Gore is a good, decent and honorable man and the people's choice in 2000 and if the electorate shows any intelligence whatsoever in 2008, will be again:


”What luck for the rulers that men do not think.”
Hitler, Adolf

“The democratic theory is that if you accumulate enough ignorance at the polls, you produce intelligence.”
Vance, Philo

“Practical politics consists in ignoring facts”
Adams, Henry Brooks

“The way to win is to go on the offensive against your opponent early, distort positions to whatever degree you can get away with, play upon people's fears and prejudices--and never let up.”
Drew, Elizabeth

I know these quotes are pretty pessimistic but they are reality in these times we live in.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 02:02 PM
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100. Were you ready to go that "extra mile" and take up arms?
because SCOTUS handed down the decision that decided the election and the only option left would have been open rebellion by the people and lead by Gore. What court, with legally binding jurisdiction over the United States, would have heard an appeal? What tactic should Gore have used after the legal options were gone?



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cezebrgr Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 06:00 PM
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102. THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY’S METHOD.
At this point it should be about system, the platform, not the person. Brainstorming a platform will provide the guidelines for the selecting the proper individual. The Democratic Party's ideals for the coming election need to be set. People who vote the party ticket do so because they believe in the party. The person should be representative of the collective ideal.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:58 PM
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75. Done!
Earlier. Thanks, durrrty libby.

It's got to be either Gore and if not Gore, then Kerry or Edwards.
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RobbinsdaleDem Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 11:19 PM
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76. Done.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:03 AM
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81. Done. We need Gore!!!
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:07 AM
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84. The petition is moving along at a steady rate.
There are currently 1300 signatures in approx 24 hours

I enjoy reading some of the passionate and heartfelt pleas.



Of course there is the occasional freeper gibberish, but they get purged.

Hopefully all you constitution lovers will continue to forward

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/algore2008/ and keep this recommended

for visibility.



:loveya: :yourock: :grouphug:
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howmad1 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:43 AM
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83. Done and forwarded to ten more folks who love Gore
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primative1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 09:50 AM
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92. Done!
With Pleasure.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 04:27 PM
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101. Not a fucking chance! Why in the fuck would you?
Why in the fuck would I want to "draft" or force someone to do something they didn't want to? And why in the fuck would you?

If he wants to run let him run on his own, He's well aware of how the tide works, if he knows he can absolutely win the nomination he'll run on his own...He doesn't need you or me to tell him, he's a very rich old political pro, he knows exactly what he's doing...what's this cute little "draft' shit?

He's no savior...Man you must be desperate...he's the same guy who wouldn't fight in Florida and gave us BushCo.

Yes, Gore has an excellent film out, (An Inconvenient Truth) that all should see...Very important film...

However, here are other Democratic candidates who will win... I want new blood, not the same old repackaged bullshit!!!...Shit, even Kerry won, if not for Ohio's Sec. of State.

Dem's have won the last four presidential elections...

And they'll win the next one...doesn't mean they'll take office...not with the republican owned Diebold electronic voting machines, that will be in place in over 90% of the country by 2008...

If Gore decides he wants to run and he wins the nomination---I will, as I have my whole life vote for the Democratic nominee--No questions...including Gore.

But the democratic process of a candidate grueling run is the way it's suppose to be done.

"Draft Gore" what a fucking arrogant, thoughtless, easy way out bullshit...funny as hell...Do you all have those determined looks on your faces like your really doing something important too?

:rofl:

If Gore wants to run, let him run!






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timontheleft Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:45 PM
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103. How quickly some of us forget . . .
"he's the same guy who wouldn't fight in Florida and gave us BushCo" . . . unless I was in a parallel universe at the time, I seem to remember that he took it to the SCOTUS and lost . . . just how was he supposed to fight it beyond that? I'm not aware of any higher court. If he had not accepted their ruling, he would have looked like quite the idiot, indeed. I don't like the result any more than you, but as Mabus points out above "the only option left would have been open rebellion by the people and lead by Gore". Is that what you think should have happened??

And yes, I do have a determined look on my face. You can laugh all you like, but if you've got a problem with it then . . . well YOU'VE got a problem. Now go ahead and curse at me as - based on your post - I'm sure that's the most intelligent response I can expect.

:dem:
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 09:15 PM
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105. Gore didn't take the case to SCOTUS
It was Bushco. If I recall Gore's lawyers were outmanuevered and outsmarted every step of the way. Even after SCOTUS ruled, Gore could have still kept the issue before the American people. Instead he chose to concede for the good of the country and the democratic process. 6 years later the democratic process is all but dead, killed by this Administration. The Supreme Court, though they are the highest court in the land and no appeals are possible from its decisions are still wrong. Other wrong rulings such as the Dred Scott decision and Plessy v. Ferguson come to mind. These rulings were eventually oveturned by the course of history, though I'm not sure how to rid the history books of Bush's illegimate president. Gore had another chance when on January 6, 2001, a joint session of Congress met to certify the electoral vote. Twenty members of the House of Representatives, most of them Democratic members of the Congressional Black Caucus, rose one by one to file objections to the electoral votes of Florida. However, according to an 1877 law, any such objection had to be sponsored by both a representative and a senator, and no senator would co-sponsor these objections. Therefore, Gore, who was presiding in his capacity as President of the Senate, ruled each of these objections out of order. NOT A SINGLE SENATOR WOULD CO-SPONSOR THESE OBJECTIONS!!!! Where were the Democratic senators that day?? Gore himself, unless the rules prohibited it, could have co-sponsored the objections.
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timontheleft Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:55 PM
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106. I stand corrected . . .
on who took it to the courts. You are absolutely correct; as I said - how quickly we forget.

But, I don't agree that he had anything to gain by continuing to fight the issue after the SCOTUS ruled. It seems to me that he would have come off as incredibly self-serving and would have had absolutely no "political capital" - even though he won the popular vote - had he eventually been allowed to take office. Both cases you mention affected the status of an entire race of people rather than a sole individual seeking a political office. He would never had gotten past being "Sore/Loserman"; the right would've hated him as much or more than we hate Bush.

Regardless of our disagreement, I do want to say thanks for the most intelligent response. I had honestly never heard of Plessy v Ferguson and had to google it to find out what it was about. So, I learned something. Thanks. You are making a valid point that needs to be considered; thanks for speaking out. (Gee, why can't they do this in Congress?) But, as for me:

AL GORE in '08!!!!!!!

:dem:
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 08:53 AM
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110. It would have come off as "self-serving" then...
...but a mere 6 years later, history is already vindicating the fact that Gore should have been our President. You need only look all around you. Need I say more?? I still think Gore should have stubbornly "pushed" on; the past 6 years of the most corrupt, deceitful and dishonest Administration this country has ever seen is proof enough for me!! This was not about a sole individual seeking a political office; history will prove that this IS about an entire group of people, the AMERICAN people.

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few; or the one"
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timontheleft Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 07:04 PM
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115. I can't argue with that
There's no doubt that the state of absolutely everything would be better if Bush had not taken office. But in 2000 we didn't have 6 years of Bush history to reflect on - and we never would have known just how bad it would be (wouldn't that be great). So, I still think Gore would've had a tough time governing with the closely divided populace, House and Senate.

But don't get me wrong. I'll support whoever gets the nomination with the same fervor and determination. The bottom line is to send a clear message to the repugs that we, the people will not tolerate gross incompetence and corruption (and conservatism for that matter - it obviously doesn't work) and to get someone in office that will truly return dignity to the office.

I also want to point out that I also agree that he should only run if he wants. I know the website is titled "Draft . . . ", but I don't want to "draft" him. I just want to ensure that he knows that he has my support should he be considering it. I suspect that conveys the feelings of a lot of people that signed the petition. Admittedly that's just a guess, but I can't imagine anyone would want him to run if his heart wasn't in it.

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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:32 AM
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108. Gore asked that no Senators support the caucus...It was Gore who
Edited on Wed Jul-12-06 01:38 AM by LaPera
was more afraid to look like a sore loser, and gave us Bush. Gore snubbed the black caucus, and all the black voters in Florida that got fucked over (by republican Sec. of State, Harris), they too were ignored, and by staying quiet Gore, the winner with at least 600K more votes nationally, and it has been proven since by many sources that Gore won Florida's electoral votes as well...but decided he did NOT want to fight and indeed gave us BushCo!

As I said Gore's film is well done & important and I'd vote for Gore if he was the democratic nominee....But that's his fucking decision...people live in the past...I also said I thought there should be new blood...

So pay fucking attention and get your facts correct before you accuse... talk about lack of "intelligence"!!!
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timontheleft Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 07:12 AM
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109. OK . . .
fill me in, intelligent one. What are some of those "many sources"? I was living in FL during that whole mess, and I don't recall ever hearing from a reputable news source that it was ever PROVEN that Gore won. But, I'm sure you know more than I do - after all you know the f word; I'm so impressed (maybe if you gave a more intelligent sounding response I'd "pay . . . attention").

And, talk about living in the past - you've got about the angriest post here . . .

:rofl:
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 09:20 AM
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111. LaPera, some "constructive" criticism please??
I find your posts thoughtful and intelligent, but the use of the "F" word is not necessary to get the point across. It demeans and diminishes otherwise intelligent points and thoughts and tends to turn off others here who would otherwise consider your points of view. Please take this constructive criticism in the spirit it's given. Thanks.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:29 PM
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112. Thanks, once again...(About the "F" word...)
Edited on Wed Jul-12-06 02:27 PM by LaPera
that you find my posts "thoughtful and intelligent". And again, I agree with your thoughts to some extent about my use of the "F" word.

However, it may be true that some are turned off to my using the word "fuck" -- I use the word as many do in my everyday vocabulary, I use the word to stress my outrage of ignorance that I perceive, but mostly I use it for effect. The same effect one might get by watching an HBO series, "Curb Your Enthusiasm", "Deadwood", "Soprano's", etc...where the word "fuck" is purposely used and emphasised to make a point, and to make a conversation seem real -- because believe it or not, it is the way many people speak...(at least here in CA where I'm from & live).

I try, perhaps without much success, to write my passion, anger, humor and compassion as if I were sitting across from a friend and we're having a political conversation that we completely disagree, (though, that is rare because I don't bother to discuss such things with republicans).

Truly, I will reconsider using this word... if it indeed offends (some) so thoroughly & completely...

But, I'd be less than honest if I didn't also ask you, why you use an avatar with Bush flipping someone off, isn't it too, essentially saying, "Fuck you"? A tiny little bit of duplicity, wouldn't you agree?

In so much as, personally, I am NOT the least bit offended!

I'm sure that when I use the word "fuck" in my posts that some, perhaps many are turn-offed and offended...Still, we must be fair and accept the fact flipping someone off, (even with an icon, avatar or symbol also offends some, maybe even just one person)...

Then, does it become a matter of how many that are offended???

Again, thanks for your kind words and "constructive" criticism, I will reevaluate.
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 09:42 PM
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118. I use that avatar...
...because Bush has been saying "fuck you" to us from day one. The "F" word does have its place but not when used so frequently; it loses its punch and value, so to speak when one sprinkles it too liberally in conversation or writing; then the speaker or writer comes off as sounding vulgar and a bit uneducated, having to use the word to cover up inadequacies in his or her grammar. I'm not shocked or offended by it, but maybe I show my age when I say that I hear it far too often in public and I cringe when I hear kids and young 20 somethings say it in casual conversation thinking it is cool. I especially don't like it when my son is with me and I have to go up to some one when I hear it and politely tell them "was that really necessary?" I know you said that is the way many people speak nowadays, but I come from a time (I'm in my mid '40's now) when it was acceptable in everyday speaking, especially in public. Again, your postings are thoughtful and intelligent, the "F" word is mostly unnecessary. Your points come across just fine.
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #118
119. Meant to say "not acceptable" in everyday speaking...
BTW, I do use the word from time to time also. Just feel there is a time and place for it, that's all.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 10:17 PM
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121. How quickly some of us DO forget.
He was the guy that didn't fight back. BTW, One of the big newspapers (I think it is the NYT), took possession of the florida ballots and has counted and re-counted them by hand and released the result that any way you count them, by whatever standard you use (hanging/pregnant chads, absentee, etc.) Gore won Florida, period.

He was the guy that hired, and retained, the worst political campaign manager of my lifetime and, as a result, ran one of the worst campaigns.

He was the guy that gave us NAFTA.

OTOH, Citizen Gore has done some really great things and has earned my respect, just not as a politician.
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 09:04 PM
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104. I have to agree
If Gore wants to run, he'll run on his own. We don't need to "draft" him. BTW, has it ever occured to anyone that Gore may not want to run because he knows he is seen as "damaged goods" from the 2000 election and he is honorable enough to NOT run and hand the presidency to yet another Republican in 2008?? I believe he is more effective advancing the global warming agenda, the most critical threat facing humankind, as a non-candidate and private citizen.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:08 AM
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107. Thanks, I agree with you as well...
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 03:02 PM
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113. Hmmmm....I'm not quite so sure.
Edited on Wed Jul-12-06 03:03 PM by GreenTea
About the Diebold electronic voting machines being owned by republicans.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 05:09 PM
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114. "...fucking arrogant, thoughtless, easy way out bullshit...funny as hell"
Try not to be so self-righteous and ***JUDGEMENTAL***. If some of us Democrats want to back Gore at this time, regardless if it pans out or not, what's the harm?

Save your indignation for the right wing and Republicans.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 09:48 PM
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120. Done kick and nom
:)
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politmuse1 Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 08:22 PM
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122. He's hot now: let's keep the momentum going
Maybe it's all this global warming, but Gore is hotter than ever.

He's winning by huge margins in AlterNet and Democrats.com polls. He's got a fashion line going (Mark Jacobs story). The movie and book hit new records every day. There's only one little thing missing. The candidate for president. Let's do all we can to fix that.

Please sign the petition. Thank you.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/algore2008/
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