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liberaldemocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 03:08 AM
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The Liberal Democratic Party of the USA recommends vote by absentee ballot
The Liberal Democratic Party of the USA recommends vote by absentee ballot by every Democrat.


I recomend that people vote by absentee ballot from now on, in any election especially if you vote in a district that has electronic voting machines.

You need to ask your board of elections for an absentee ballot but you will then get to vote by mail with a paper ballot. Noone will then get to suppress your vote at the polls this November especally if the GOP targets you for vote suppression. By voting by mail with a paper ballot they cannot tell the color of your skin and they cannot steal the vote electronically, nor can they hide the voting machines on you and make you wait hours to vote and observers of both parties will look at the vote counting.

Ask for an absentee ballot today.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 03:10 AM
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1. They can also throw them in the garbage, what then ???
:kick:
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 07:43 AM
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11. That's what I keep saying. Actually open source, auditable
electronic voting would be way safer than paper. Paper ballots were wasted (thrown out) in both 200 and 2004. I don't know why the paper only proponents refuse to address this.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 07:16 AM
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21. Ask people from Oregon
They have been voting by mail now for quite some time and both sides appear to love it. IMO it is the only way for an election to be held. Turn out is increased because people don't need to find a parking spot or stand in any lines or meet up with someone they don't wish to see. They have ample time to review the actual ballot and do a bit of research so they can actually vote an intelligent ballot. They can sit around the kitchen table and have a discussion on the actual ballot and not just sound bites heard on the radio or TV. Simply put the ballot in an envelope and give it to the postman. It is every bit as secure as the ballot you give to the person at your local precinct. Vote By Mail is the only way to go if we want to defeat voter fraud.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 03:19 AM
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2. "The Liberal Democratic Party "?

Haven't heard of that one.

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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 06:35 AM
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10. I wish it was liberal. nt
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 07:44 AM
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12. Something like the, "Connecticut for Lieberman" party, I suppose...
A party of one. :eyes:
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 06:54 PM
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18. Me neither. n/t
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 03:29 AM
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3. Your answer still does not calm my fears.
The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.

-- Joseph Stalin

If I can't erase your vote on a computer screen, I can erase it by throwing it away.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 04:15 AM
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5. While that is true there is one big difference
One touchscreen programmer can change votes in 10s of thousands touchscreen all over the nation.

But to toss paper ballots, it takes one person per office to do it. And all it takes is one to get caught to exposes the plan.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 03:44 AM
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4. And hope they aren't found floating in the nearest body of water
as they were in our last mayoral election.

Whatever that group is, they'd do better to work the Secretary of State races.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 04:16 AM
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6. see my above reply. nt
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 09:49 AM
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15. Whats harder? Push a button to steal the votes or load the paper ballots
into the truck or car trunk drive the ballots to the river unload them ballots into the river.

I say we should atleast let them have to do a little physical labor in order to steal it.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 01:12 PM
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16. You two are right. Maybe we should vote on millstones.
lol

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 05:51 AM
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7. K&R...a link would be greatly appreciated. Excellent post. n/t
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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 06:28 AM
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8. I sat in on a live
chat on line with Greg Palast he said do not vote absentee.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 06:35 AM
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9. I am under the impression that absentee ballots are not counted unless
the vote is extremely close...so no thank you.

Could be wrong but I won't take my chances.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 07:53 AM
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13. You're right, that's absolutely true.
My absentee ballot wasn't counted for just that reason...and it's entirely legal.
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Sam Odom Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 02:23 PM
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17. I'm "told"
in San Diego county California the absentee ballots, that are in on time, are counted FIRST and are the 1st vote count released to the public.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 10:36 PM
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24. Does it change depending on where you are then?
I wonder if mine was counted. Maybe I can ask at City Hall.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 09:21 AM
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14. When I lived in AZ, absentee ballots were still scanned optically,
so the votes were still tallied and sent to a central tabulator, just like the votes cast in the booth. Absentee ballots were not safe from fraud.
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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 08:27 PM
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19. This is a good recommendation for paperless DRE states
Edited on Sun Jul-16-06 08:31 PM by Cookie wookie
if it's lawful.

Georgia just passed a "no excuses" law that allows voters to vote absentee by mail without any of the common restrictions, like requiring that the voter has age or other disability reasons to be absent, can't leave work, etc.

In that state, absentee paper ballots will be the only paper evidence of the vote. They will be counted by Optical Scan using the GEMS code which is the same as that used on the DREs. But if there is a court challenge, for instance, and an effort to gather forensic evidence about the election, having the paper absentee ballots will be at least better than nothing. In GA these are retained in secure storage for 24 months.

As far as if/how/when absentee ballots are counted, it depends on the election law in the state in which one resides.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 10:31 PM
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22. Ding! Ding! Ding!

We have a winner!

Thanks, Cookie.

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 03:29 AM
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20. I believe in some parts of the country they are still scanned.
But I suppose they have 1,000 other ways to cheat.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 10:35 PM
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23. Fuck no! If the vote isn't close enough I don't think they even count
the absentees. That's what I heard, anyway, and it broke my heart to think my vote probably wasn't counted in my freeper county because the vote wasn't close at all. I still would have liked to have been counted.

Can anyone confirm or deny that this is the case? It's what I've heard, but I don't remember from where anymore.
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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:06 PM
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25. self-delete
Edited on Tue Jul-18-06 07:07 PM by Cookie wookie
double post
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 09:05 PM
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26. Let me tell you a story about absentee voting....
Where I live...the Dems wanted all absentee voting...soooo, somewhere along the line after the last Prez election....we found we were, viola, all going to vote via absentee ballot...from now on, for every election, spec. election....everything that needs voted upon..ok..
1. I hated the idea
2. I still hate the idea
3...now for the story...a couple months ago..our school put a levee up to a special vote....when we received those ballots in the mail...it said that the ballots should be returned by the Monday, prior to the Tuesday, the vote was taking place on..in order for us to be sure, that our vote would be counted...so we returned them when we were told to....it takes 60% of the registered voters to validate the vote for a school levee...60%..!!

so imagine my surprise when two weeks later...we received notices through the mail...telling us that if we had not returned our ballots...to please do so...then wonder of wonders...we are informed a couple weeks later, that the levee passed...now does that surprise me??? hell no...but is there a way for it to be proved???...and was it legal for them to hold that vote open for an additional TWO weeks, or however long they needed, until they got the response they wanted??? IS that fair??? oh wait...or did they actually get enough votes to validate it after all??? who knows....I just know, I hate absentee voting...HATE IT!! and I hate being forced to vote that way...and I hate feeling as though now, by our method of voting, someone has the ability to railroad me and every other voter...
windbreeze
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